But but but but where are the parking garages? Denver gives me some serious downtown envy.
McGregor Square is a neat looking project. I'd imagine something like this on the parking lot at 4th/Poplar/Broadway/Spruce would be ideal. Not too tall, have a central meeting area on the site. Have apartments, condos, retail space, restaurant space, and maybe a little office and a small hotel. Parking could be underground or rent out spaces at Busch West garage.urbanitas wrote: ↑Apr 29, 2020No paywall for me...?
That's an old article though anyway. Try this recent ENR_Article with construction photos. And the residential project site with fly-through video: McGregor_Square
It's a cool project.
Thanks for sharing.
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It appears that they are also installing a larger video screen on the infield area.
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That's a welcome development. The one that had been there looked ridiculous.southcitygent wrote: ↑May 02, 2020It appears that they are also installing a larger video screen on the infield area.
They are installing the same glass that makes up the rest of the curtain wall on the crown. Interesting. I was expecting a different facade, but I guess that was back when we were getting a back lit crown.
The screen is hideous. I would've preferred the crown being all glass now instead of the big black trapezoid.newstl2020 wrote: ↑May 02, 2020They are installing the same glass that makes up the rest of the curtain wall on the crown. Interesting. I was expecting a different facade, but I guess that was back when we were getting a back lit crown.
At Live by Loews, they took some of the black finish off.
I like this view from the Spruce Street bridge over the Metro tracks.
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I clearly have terrible taste, what with thinking Boston's skyline looks deeply underwhelming, but . . . I can live with this. All in all the district looks good. It's clean and contemporary. Not shocking, but solid. And even the screen looks less bad than I feared. It looks a little better in the last pic, since it makes it more clear it will follow the roofline and look a tad more architectural. It's a billboard, and it will still look like a billboard, but hey, if that helps to pay the bills it'll be fine. Downtown could use some movement. And this genuinely looks less bad to me than another glowhawk. (Heck, there's enough dead cells in the Glowhawk it genuinely looks bad. Which . . . it really always did. At least this will be far enough away dead cells won't show so much and since there are fewer of them and they're more crucial they'll be more likely to fix 'em.)
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I’ve wondered a long time as to why a casino making millions a day with a nationally recognized 5 star hotel would let that glowhawk just languish to the point where it looks like trash. Maybe when it was built the technology was good for the time but there’s no reason it shouldn’t have been upgraded to higher resolution by now. Hopefully ballpark village won’t make the mistake. But the choice to start with that awkward little screen doesn’t bode well. Maybe it’ll be one of those new 8k models and we’ll be able to see it for miles.symphonicpoet wrote:I clearly have terrible taste, what with thinking Boston's skyline looks deeply underwhelming, but . . . I can live with this. All in all the district looks good. It's clean and contemporary. Not shocking, but solid. And even the screen looks less bad than I feared. It looks a little better in the last pic, since it makes it more clear it will follow the roofline and look a tad more architectural. It's a billboard, and it will still look like a billboard, but hey, if that helps to pay the bills it'll be fine. Downtown could use some movement. And this genuinely looks less bad to me than another glowhawk. (Heck, there's enough dead cells in the Glowhawk it genuinely looks bad. Which . . . it really always did. At least this will be far enough away dead cells won't show so much and since there are fewer of them and they're more crucial they'll be more likely to fix 'em.)
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^Your point remains, but even on their best stretches that casino is making nowhere close to "millions per day."
I believe the EBITDA is closer to 36mil/year, which is ~100K/day.
I believe the EBITDA is closer to 36mil/year, which is ~100K/day.
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Great catch DB!
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. . . Who am I kidding? There are trains!
I met a fellow a couple of years back who had modeled a trainload of turbine blades in HO. Entirely scratchbuilt project. Was fun to watch it wiggle through the curves.
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Anyway, thanks for that!
I will not drag the thread off topic. I will not drag the thread off topic. I will not drag the thread off topic.
. . . Who am I kidding? There are trains!
I met a fellow a couple of years back who had modeled a trainload of turbine blades in HO. Entirely scratchbuilt project. Was fun to watch it wiggle through the curves.
Anyway, thanks for that!
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Noticed yesterday while driving that the Blade Runner screen was perfectly visible from 18th at Clark, right at Union Station... Maybe this can better connect Clark Street and help make it a unified "best sports street in America" that's been talked about before. Then again, maybe it's just really good advertising positioning.
Yep. Looked crappy in the renderings released last month, and shocker of shockers, it looks just as crappy in real life.chriss752 wrote: ↑May 03, 2020The screen is hideous. I would've preferred the crown being all glass now instead of the big black trapezoid.newstl2020 wrote: ↑May 02, 2020They are installing the same glass that makes up the rest of the curtain wall on the crown. Interesting. I was expecting a different facade, but I guess that was back when we were getting a back lit crown.
I assume that glassed in patio beneath the Bullock is where Davio's is going?
It is a great example of the impact that well-designed shorter buildings can have on a downtown area.chriss752 wrote: ↑Apr 29, 2020McGregor Square is a neat looking project. I'd imagine something like this on the parking lot at 4th/Poplar/Broadway/Spruce would be ideal. Not too tall, have a central meeting area on the site. Have apartments, condos, retail space, restaurant space, and maybe a little office and a small hotel. Parking could be underground or rent out spaces at Busch West garage.urbanitas wrote: ↑Apr 29, 2020No paywall for me...?
That's an old article though anyway. Try this recent ENR_Article with construction photos. And the residential project site with fly-through video: McGregor_Square
It's a cool project.
Thanks for sharing.
McGregor Square (13 stories) is only slightly taller than the Pennant Building, and half the height of One Cardinal Way. Yet this project feels so much more cutting-edge and urban than Ballpark Village. And it was cheaper too...
Yeah, it's weird to think that space may remain empty for quite some time.
Even after stay-at-home orders get reduced, the restaurant industry is going to be getting killed all year. Nobody is going to want to hang out in a packed restaurant, and in most places, restaurants aren't going to be allowed to be packed because of social distancing restrictions. This has got to be devastating for the hotel and restaurants in Phase II of BPV. Worst possible time for this to happen. I could be wrong, but I think we're going to be feeling the monstrous economic impact of this pandemic through the rest of the year and into 2021. There are just going to be tons of people who won't want to go anywhere where there will be crowds of any size, and with things like sporting events and concerts, it's hard to imagine they'll be allowed to go to such things in large numbers anytime this year. If the baseball season ever does get underway, it's almost certainly going to be taking place in a completely fan-free Busch Stadium, at least in the beginning. All the revenue they were hoping to generate at BPV from post-game crowds isn't happening this year. At least not in anywhere near the numbers they had probably been forecasting at the beginning of the year.
^Ballpark Village will have plenty of business by mid-June...provided a lot of these chain restaurants aren't all bankrupt by then, or otherwise backing out of their leases.
The viability of Davio's is especially questionable since most of the chain is in the Northeast. Who knows when they'll be able to open their Boston, Philly, and New York restaurants...and they probably aren't going to invest in tenant improvements and staff here until they do.
The viability of Davio's is especially questionable since most of the chain is in the Northeast. Who knows when they'll be able to open their Boston, Philly, and New York restaurants...and they probably aren't going to invest in tenant improvements and staff here until they do.
To add insult to envy, McGregor Square has two underground parking levels, with about 400 spaces, under the plaza and buildings...GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Apr 29, 2020But but but but where are the parking garages? Denver gives me some serious downtown envy.
Are you assuming that there will be baseball in mid-June with fans present? That's almost certainly not going to be happening. The earliest MLB is even talking about possibly starting the season is in early July, in empty baseball stadiums without any fans present. They're already preparing for the possibility of an entire season being played without ticketed fans. There almost certainly won't be full stadiums at any point this year, even if they do eventually allow a limited number of fans to start attending games.urbanitas wrote: ↑May 06, 2020^Ballpark Village will have plenty of business by mid-June...provided a lot of these chain restaurants aren't all bankrupt by then, or otherwise backing out of their leases.
The viability of Davio's is especially questionable since most of the chain is in the Northeast. Who knows when they'll be able to open their Boston, Philly, and New York restaurants...and they probably aren't going to invest in tenant improvements and staff here until they do.
How busy are the restaurants at BPV during the offseason? I'm not talking about large crowded events or concerts in the Fox Sports Live area (those won't be happening at all), I'm talking about business at the 3 dine-in restaurants with their own dedicated areas (Cardinals Nation, Budweiser Brew House, and Drunken Fish).
It won't be the off-season if games are going on across the street.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑May 06, 2020How busy are the restaurants at BPV during the offseason?
Between BPV's huge interior space, them optimizing the ample outdoor space (e.g. basically turning the "infield" into a beer garden for game watching), the Davos patio, Budweiser Brewhouse Patio, Cardinals Nation sidewalk seating along Clark, Live! by Loews balcony, one could see BPV being pretty busy on a July game day, even if folks can't go into Busch.
Depending on the specific terms of the restrictions the BPV seats and Wrigley rooftops might be some of the only places in the country to watch live baseball.
That's assuming social distancing restrictions will be lifted to the point that large crowds will be able to congregate in public accommodations. It's probably a pretty safe bet we'll still be on 25% capacity limits for restaurants in July. Maybe for the rest of the year. I do think they'll try to sell the Cardinals Nation rooftop seats if they're allowed to do so, but I'm betting they won't be allowed to fill more than a fraction of them at a time.wabash wrote: ↑May 06, 2020It won't be the off-season if games are going on across the street.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑May 06, 2020How busy are the restaurants at BPV during the offseason?
Between BPV's huge interior space, them optimizing the ample outdoor space (e.g. basically turning the "infield" into a beer garden for game watching), the Davos patio, Budweiser Brewhouse Patio, Cardinals Nation sidewalk seating along Clark, Live! by Loews balcony, one could see BPV being pretty busy on a July game day, even if folks can't go into Busch.
Depending on the specific terms of the restrictions the BPV seats and Wrigley rooftops might be some of the only places in the country to watch live baseball.
Maybe they'll just close Clark and make it an open street "venue" on game days. That'd go over pretty well, with plenty of space for adequately socially distanced beer swilling.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑May 06, 2020That's assuming social distancing restrictions will be lifted to the point that large crowds will be able to congregate in public accommodations. It's probably a pretty safe bet we'll still be on 25% capacity limits for restaurants in July. Maybe for the rest of the year. I do think they'll try to sell the Cardinals Nation rooftop seats if they're allowed to do so, but I'm betting they won't be allowed to fill more than a fraction of them at a time.wabash wrote: ↑May 06, 2020It won't be the off-season if games are going on across the street.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑May 06, 2020How busy are the restaurants at BPV during the offseason?
Between BPV's huge interior space, them optimizing the ample outdoor space (e.g. basically turning the "infield" into a beer garden for game watching), the Davos patio, Budweiser Brewhouse Patio, Cardinals Nation sidewalk seating along Clark, Live! by Loews balcony, one could see BPV being pretty busy on a July game day, even if folks can't go into Busch.
Depending on the specific terms of the restrictions the BPV seats and Wrigley rooftops might be some of the only places in the country to watch live baseball.