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Davio’s is under construction, it will be located in the hotel part next to baseballism on the corner closer to OneLife fitness.

Took a short stroll downtown and took several clips of BPV. Must admit I really like how the Live by Loew’s building turned out and the glass on OCW is sleek. Once phase 2 is finished other phases will really help liven this part of Downtown and fill in part of the skyline.


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Hi downtown resident offering some thoughts- Area west of Busch (wheelhouse/tin roof/start bar/midwestern/Westin) is very vibrant, including non game days.  It’s especially vibrant once the weather turns to warmer.  Same for Washington.  Than you throw in various big events/marathons/festivals/game days/conventions and downtown is very active.

Out west, union station is now constantly packed. City Museum is doing much better year to year in 2020. New residential is being added at 19th/st.charles, mls stadium is being built. Downtown as a whole is adding 600-700 new residents a year. Another 10,000 workers would be nice but I see a path towards that in the next 18-24 months.

I just came back from downtown Detroit and it’s a ghost town

Great pics, thanks. One thing I decided do NOT like, and I'm not sure if Cordish or the Cardinals had anything to do with it, are the two cobra head streetlights. I suppose the one on 8th Street might be a little more forgivable if the rest of the block has them, but the one on Clark makes no sense at all with the rest of the streetlights on the block. Was this the city's call, or what?

DTGstl314 wrote:Great pics, thanks. One thing I decided do NOT like, and I'm not sure if Cordish or the Cardinals had anything to do with it, are the two cobra head streetlights. I suppose the one on 8th Street might be a little more forgivable if the rest of the block has them, but the one on Clark makes no sense at all with the rest of the streetlights on the block. Was this the city's call, or what?

I may be wrong but Clark is part of the LightMYSTL upgrades so they perhaps put the old ones back to save money initially knowing they will get upgraded soon anyways.

I actually like the lights they give things a fresh look. I took this from my friends place on the 22nd floor of the OPOT



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I'm honestly satisfied with the way BPV is developing. A very solid looking project. I think when it's complete it will look more aesthetically pleasing than KC Power and Light.

$805,000 in building permits for the Fox Sports Midwest office have been issued. They'll be located in the Northeast corner of the PwC Pennant Building on the 8th floor.

A $1.7 Million building permit for what is assumed to be Davio's was applied for on 2/13 but not issued.

PlatinumBlues wrote: ↑

Mar 01, 2020

I actually like the lights they give things a fresh look.  

Just to clarify, I'm referring specifically to THESE:



The one on 8th Street doesn't bother me so much, but the one on Clark doesn't at all match the rest of the streetlights down this stretch of the street...

Drove by on Clark tonight. the Sports+Social place is looking quite nice. It was lit up. 

Officially 55% leased. Cardinals happy with the number. Tours of a model unit on the 8th floor starting soon

That's a solid number. I wish we could say the same about One Hundred (15%), especially since both buildings have roughly 300 units and were unofficially topped out around the same time (even though OCW definitely was not topped out at their ceremony lol). On the other hand, leasing info for OCW was available before One Hundred.

OCW obviously has a better marketing advantage since they have the help of the Cardinals. With a June 23rd move-in date, they'll get close to 3 months of broadcast time after Opening Day. That leasing number is going to skyrocket during the regular season.

What would you guess the target % leased is for 1CW and 100 at this point? Are they on track or below projections?

How does 1CW leasing compare to KC P&L towers?

New MLS stadium renderings seems to show a mock up of Ballpark Village in the background. There appears to be a very tall building where future phases of BPV would be. I found that interesting. I know there were rumors on this thread that HOK was designing the OCW2. Could this be a hint of the scale of future phases? It could just be some crappy filler rendering. Either way I find it interesting.

sc4mayor wrote: ↑

Mar 04, 2020

^ I doubt they have any inside information but why add that to the renderings in the first place?  Interesting indeed.

Would be nice to having something that tall south of Market though.

1. That would be one of the tallest if not the tallest building in St. Louis.

2. I agree, why add a filler tower (especially of that magnitude)?

Definitely a conversation starter.

Interesting.

Tower does appear to be quite thin and taller than 909 Chestnut or Eagleton, both of which are closer from this perspective. Hope the leasing numbers @ OCW continue to be strong and that they announce the next phase while still building out this phase.

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Mar 04, 2020

sc4mayor wrote: ↑

Mar 04, 2020

^ I doubt they have any inside information but why add that to the renderings in the first place?  Interesting indeed.

Would be nice to having something that tall south of Market though.

1. That would be one of the tallest if not the tallest building in St. Louis.

2. I agree, why add a filler tower (especially of that magnitude)?

Definitely a conversation starter.

That's the only reason.  Well, that and boredom.  lol   If it  was a representation of an actual project, don't you think they would come up with  something better than a 60-story solid beige wall?

Don't overthink the boxes at BPV. I assure you, that's not how it will be when built out.

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Mar 04, 2020

Don't overthink the boxes at BPV. I assure you, that's not how it will be when built out.

Do tell more?

Or PM us if you don't want it public. And I agree, it's probably not what will be built. Still it seems strange that they would perfectly recreate the skyline then add that.

The new master plan, which was floating around out there recently, doesn't show a massive skyscraper being built at BPV. However, one could be considered for corporate usage if a major company came along and needed a ton of office space. That's not likely at the moment. 

Looking at the boxes in that rendering, I would guess that the tall building would be between 55-60 floors. There's no demand for a building of that size downtown. Residential wise, we still have several buildings that have yet to begin redevelopment or have a redevelopment plan. We need to see how those units fill up if and when they are completed. Residential at BPV has been strong so 2 Cardinal Way is in design at this point. Regarding office space, it just isn't in demand in Downtown yet. Hotels... we have too many of them.