How would the threat of the Cardinals moving out west push the city into the 2000's?whitherSTL wrote: ↑Sep 26, 2018A part of me wishes DeWitt wouldn't be building around Busch 3 and instead threaten to move the Cardinals out west. It's the only way to push this dysfunctional city into the 2000's.
Here's the story from FOX2eee123 wrote: ↑Feb 10, 2020The $5 Mon.-Thu. tickets with $5 concession value loaded that they've been doing the last couple years on the day pitchers and catchers report?
https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/press-rel ... -266309756
You do get $6 in cards cash a ticket though.eee123 wrote: ↑Feb 11, 2020I didn't notice until I went to the box office: The flash sale this year is online only, making it not much of a deal.
It's $20.50 for two tickets with internet fees. You can get tickets for weeknight games on SeatGeek for like $2-$3 most of the time. Or really good seats for not too much more.
Meanwhile there are two bored ticket window employees at Busch
There will be no baseball with 45,000 people at Busch this year. City isn’t even lifting gatherings of more then 10 for a while even after May 18th re opening.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑May 06, 2020That's assuming social distancing restrictions will be lifted to the point that large crowds will be able to congregate in public accommodations. It's probably a pretty safe bet we'll still be on 25% capacity limits for restaurants in July. Maybe for the rest of the year. I do think they'll try to sell the Cardinals Nation rooftop seats if they're allowed to do so, but I'm betting they won't be allowed to fill more than a fraction of them at a time.wabash wrote: ↑May 06, 2020It won't be the off-season if games are going on across the street.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑May 06, 2020How busy are the restaurants at BPV during the offseason?
Between BPV's huge interior space, them optimizing the ample outdoor space (e.g. basically turning the "infield" into a beer garden for game watching), the Davos patio, Budweiser Brewhouse Patio, Cardinals Nation sidewalk seating along Clark, Live! by Loews balcony, one could see BPV being pretty busy on a July game day, even if folks can't go into Busch.
Depending on the specific terms of the restrictions the BPV seats and Wrigley rooftops might be some of the only places in the country to watch live baseball.
Yeah, I think most people who aren't in complete denial recognize that fact. I don't think there will be any full stadiums for any event that takes place anywhere in the country in 2020 - including the NFL season. Too early to predict whether or not this will carryover into the Super Bowl next February, but it certainly wouldn't shock me if the most watched American sporting event of the year will feature Raymond James Stadium with more empty seats than full seats. I think it largely depends on whether or not we actually have a large-scale deliverable vaccine by then (hopefully we do, but there's no guarantee that any of the current vaccines they're fast-tracking through clinical trials will work).dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑May 06, 2020There will be no baseball with 45,000 people at Busch this year. City isn’t even lifting gatherings of more then 10 for a while even after May 18th re opening.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑May 06, 2020That's assuming social distancing restrictions will be lifted to the point that large crowds will be able to congregate in public accommodations. It's probably a pretty safe bet we'll still be on 25% capacity limits for restaurants in July. Maybe for the rest of the year. I do think they'll try to sell the Cardinals Nation rooftop seats if they're allowed to do so, but I'm betting they won't be allowed to fill more than a fraction of them at a time.wabash wrote: ↑May 06, 2020It won't be the off-season if games are going on across the street.
Between BPV's huge interior space, them optimizing the ample outdoor space (e.g. basically turning the "infield" into a beer garden for game watching), the Davos patio, Budweiser Brewhouse Patio, Cardinals Nation sidewalk seating along Clark, Live! by Loews balcony, one could see BPV being pretty busy on a July game day, even if folks can't go into Busch.
Depending on the specific terms of the restrictions the BPV seats and Wrigley rooftops might be some of the only places in the country to watch live baseball.
33 days from now? Not a chance in hell. IHME model still has us clocking over 230 deaths per day at that point. I can't imagine that Busch Stadium will be packed with 20-30K people for anything at all in 2020 - even if the Cardinals somehow made the World Series this year (unlikely). Honestly, I can't imagine 20-30K people packed into any venue in America in 2020.chaifetz10 wrote: ↑May 11, 2020Zero chance the city will allow 20-30k people to pack Busch Stadium that quickly.
I'm inclined to think there won't be fans at any home openers because I think MLB is likely going to require every team to adhere to the same guidelines as the teams that play in the markets with the strictest guidelines. So, if government officials in New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago all say, "there will be zero fans allowed in stadiums in the month of July", then MLB will prohibit every team from allowing fans in their stadiums in the month of July. For obvious reasons, the ability to host fans is a huge advantage to a team, both in terms of the ability to generate revenue as well as the psychological benefit to the home team from having the home crowd cheering them along. You can't let some teams have fans in their ballparks while other teams are still prevented from doing so.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑May 11, 2020I was a betting person I’d bet on no fans for sports in STL for rest of 2020 (includes first half of #stlblues next season) but I am not and I wouldn’t be surprised if there are fans in the stands at some point this year but there won’t be concerts at Busch in June. Realistically it wouldn’t surprise me to see 10,000 spread out at Busch for home opener on July 1 in 100 degree weather....still wouldn’t bet on it
MLB season July to Oct with a 112 games and playoffs starting Nov 1. Play all rounds at home stadiums and WS in a Arizona or Florida and pray to whoever you pray to that the 2nd wave doesn’t start in the 3rd inning of the first playoff game on Nov 1.
I don't think there is any precedent for such a lawsuit, beyond knowingly exposing and failing to warn patrons to a known infection, e.g. measles, legionnaire's disease, etc. As with any other hazard, they simply have to adequately inform people of the risks.chaifetz10 wrote: ↑May 11, 2020It can probably be boiled down even further: risk avoidance. MLB wont want to be held liable for a fan potentially infecting thousands of others. Regardless if such a lawsuit would hold up in court or not - until the majority of the country is open again, I don't think they'd want to invite any unnecessary risk.
I don't think they'll wait until every city reopens though... if there's a large majority who can plan in front of fans, then I think they'll do so. Now, is this 22 teams or 26 teams? No clue. But I could easily see them moving forward while the double team markets of NY, LA, SF/Oak, and CHI all remain fan-less.
Players union is most likely going to vote no tomorrow.urbanitas wrote: ↑May 11, 2020ESPN - Owners approve MLB season proposal
82 game season starting July 4th with a 2 week spring training in mid-June at the team's home stadium, sans pre-season games. The players association still must vote. Games will be held at alternate or neutral sites for teams whose home municipalities can't or won't allow games. No mention of what the requirements are for alternative sites other than Toronto will play in their Florida facility. Maybe the Cards can play in Royals stadium...
Compensation / revenue sharing and logistics seem to be the biggest points of contention.
And how do you go about making the owners of those teams whole for the lost revenue?chaifetz10 wrote: ↑May 11, 2020It can probably be boiled down even further: risk avoidance. MLB wont want to be held liable for a fan potentially infecting thousands of others. Regardless if such a lawsuit would hold up in court or not - until the majority of the country is open again, I don't think they'd want to invite any unnecessary risk.
I don't think they'll wait until every city reopens though... if there's a large majority who can plan in front of fans, then I think they'll do so. Now, is this 22 teams or 26 teams? No clue. But I could easily see them moving forward while the double team markets of NY, LA, SF/Oak, and CHI all remain fan-less.
That could resolve the biggest issue, though it's worth noting the NFL doesn't do 100% revenue sharing on gate receipts - each team keeps 60% and the other 40% goes into the shared pool. You also have to take into account the fact that teams make gameday revenue at the stadium from more than just ticket sales - there's also concessions, merchandise, and parking. Lastly, the teams that could host fans would incur additional expenses that come with operating a stadium with fans versus operating one without fans. But some smarter math geeks than me could probably figure out an equitable solution that addresses all these concerns.chaifetz10 wrote: ↑May 12, 2020Pool all gate receipts league wide and spilt evenly for each team? The NFL does it. No, the entire League wouldn't make it a permanent thing, but for a 1 year solution, it could work.
