Start making it more expensive in time and money to bring your car there.STLrainbow wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2019One thing they will need to figure out though is how to get more workers out of their cars and onto bike/ped and transit... things are already getting bad with auto traffic and it's only going to get worse as more jobs and buildings come online.
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The option of subsidized transit cards need to be required for every employer near metro stations. Especially if the company is already spending that money on each employee parking spot. My girlfriend was a classic St. Louis car commuter that I never would have expected to step on a train, but that all changed after getting a job at WUSoM. Parking is $79 a month but metro passes are free.
^ Sounds great until the company decides it rather sign a lease with Forsyth tower developers w their big huge garage, or in West County or St. Charles county because majority of the executives and workforce will push for the parking spot at end of the day. From the employee perspective is why should I work for you in CORTEX when Bayer or say RGA can offer me a job and free parking? My point being and gut feeling is that their isn't many companies and executives for that matter who would be agreeable to the thought of initially limiting parking and have plenty of opportunities to pick another location.
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I think the City and CORTEX is a better off for pushing and making bike/pedestrian/transit easier and safer to use between CORTEX and the immediate neighborhoods. An approach that says, yes their is spots in the parking garage that really don't cost a lot but CORTEX also provides employees a non car alternative because it is a whole lot easier to walk, ride a bike from a nearby neighborhoods & avoid the traffic as well as the fact that it is only a the short ride on metrolink whether your coming from One Cardinal Way, downtown loft or from the other way, whether it from Loop or Clayton Central Business District.
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In other, I think it is better to promote and provide choices that a lot of places can't offer
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I think the City and CORTEX is a better off for pushing and making bike/pedestrian/transit easier and safer to use between CORTEX and the immediate neighborhoods. An approach that says, yes their is spots in the parking garage that really don't cost a lot but CORTEX also provides employees a non car alternative because it is a whole lot easier to walk, ride a bike from a nearby neighborhoods & avoid the traffic as well as the fact that it is only a the short ride on metrolink whether your coming from One Cardinal Way, downtown loft or from the other way, whether it from Loop or Clayton Central Business District.
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In other, I think it is better to promote and provide choices that a lot of places can't offer
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My mother recently started working for the SoM in CORTEX One and has been complaining nonstop about how much worse the commute is (verse her previous workplace on Grand) and how expensive parking is. We live relatively near Shrewsbury Metrolink station but I don't see her as a woman in her mid-50s using that option, especially when weather in St. Louis is pretty terrible for walking much of the year. I don't know what the solution is but the current traffic situation is pretty bad during rush hour getting in and out of there, maybe there could be some sort of shuttle operating on a dedicated ROW to shuttle people from lots that are easier to access from the arterials or something?GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2019The option of subsidized transit cards need to be required for every employer near metro stations. Especially if the company is already spending that money on each employee parking spot. My girlfriend was a classic St. Louis car commuter that I never would have expected to step on a train, but that all changed after getting a job at WUSoM. Parking is $79 a month but metro passes are free.
^A dedicated right-of-way for parking lot shuttles seems.... excessive. Especially when, as you’ve pointed out, there’s already a dedicated right-of-way for a shuttle to numerous free park-n-ride lots.
To some extent, it kind of seems reasonable that if you’re not willing to walk the two blocks to take advantage of the traffic avoidance and free park-n-ride convenience of Metrolink that having to deal with the actual traffic Metrolink was designed to mitigate is the cost of doing so. Nonetheless, I hope she finds a routine that works (and that doesn’t involve dedicated ROWs for parking shuttles within the CWE/Cortex).
To some extent, it kind of seems reasonable that if you’re not willing to walk the two blocks to take advantage of the traffic avoidance and free park-n-ride convenience of Metrolink that having to deal with the actual traffic Metrolink was designed to mitigate is the cost of doing so. Nonetheless, I hope she finds a routine that works (and that doesn’t involve dedicated ROWs for parking shuttles within the CWE/Cortex).
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While drilling equipment isn't currently at 4120, they're definitely doing more than just land leveling. I took these pictures when I picked up my wife from Cortex this evening (sorry for the terrible iPhone quality). Most notably, it appears they're digging out from behind the concrete wall along Duncan. Perhaps we'll see the concrete wall go sooner than later as they'll need access to that area for drilling / foundation pouring. Looking East (towards IKEA and the silos), it looks like they have done some digging that might be related to utilities. Same with the image looking South-ish (looking towards the Metro tracks).
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Idk, I didn't really do a good job explaining what I was thinking, but you are probably right. Still, it sucks that more of her life is being eaten up by her commute because she works are CORTEX. Apparently her lab may be moving elsewhere on the medical campus so perhaps this will be a short term problem.wabash wrote: ↑Oct 30, 2019^A dedicated right-of-way for parking lot shuttles seems.... excessive. Especially when, as you’ve pointed out, there’s already a dedicated right-of-way for a shuttle to numerous free park-n-ride lots.
To some extent, it kind of seems reasonable that if you’re not willing to walk the two blocks to take advantage of the traffic avoidance and free park-n-ride convenience of Metrolink that having to deal with the actual traffic Metrolink was designed to mitigate is the cost of doing so. Nonetheless, I hope she finds a routine that works (and that doesn’t involve dedicated ROWs for parking shuttles within the CWE/Cortex).
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^There are places closer to Cortex than Shrewsbury to live if that is too far for her liking.
She lives in the City, but I take your point. The distance is not the issue, it is getting out of CORTEX at rush hour which is the problem. Like I mentioned, she commuted to Grand (about the same distance) without issue for years.newstl2020 wrote: ↑Oct 31, 2019^There are places closer to Cortex than Shrewsbury to live if that is too far for her liking.
She should try getting out of downtown on a game day (or try using 4th street any time at rush hour). Traffic exists, what's the issues? People don't like to be inconvenienced, news flash?The distance is not the issue, it is getting out of CORTEX at rush hour which is the problem. Like I mentioned, she commuted to Grand (about the same distance) without issue for years.
I'm not saying Cortex is perfect or couldn't use improvements in traffic flow, but sheesh, this just seems like typically "I don't like to sit in traffic" complaints.
And as you pointed out, she has options, whether she chooses to use those options to alleviate her stress is up to her.
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St. Louisans who complain about traffic really ought to get out more. Or even just talk to someone who lived in Atl, DC or Chicago.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I've been driving through Cortex on my way home from work for several weeks now, and I have never encountered what I would consider significant, or even noticeable, traffic.
I usually am going southbound on Boyle, so maybe it's worse on another street or going another direction.
I usually am going southbound on Boyle, so maybe it's worse on another street or going another direction.
I have to agree and identified most with this comment, when we lived in Shrewsbury my wife would have maybe a 15-20 minute ride at most to get to ATT One Center downtown and we had the option and she used metroink periodically. I had no commute because I worked on the road, on various jobsites throughout the east and gulf coast. Now it is flipped, she has been telecommuting since we moved to the Bay area and I get a solid hour commute one way on the good days or easily hour & half one way if their accident somewhere. Of course it is all relative but St. Louis not quite their when it comes to traffic in some big metro areas and getting really off topic.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Oct 31, 2019St. Louisans who complain about traffic really ought to get out more. Or even just talk to someone who lived in Atl, DC or Chicago.
CORTEX is in a good spot that their is some good opportunities for non auto commutes and some desireable neighborhoods as the central corridor continues to rebuild itself and bleeds into south and north. I think the next project(s) that should be pushed is the pedestrian crossing between Foundry & Armory as well as the Grand & FPP at grade intersection. Heck, I would argue that Euclid should be extended over the freeway into FPSE and opened up to auto traffic in the future or for that matter, instead of autos maybe a modern low floor free street car connecting FPSE/The Grove with Delmar East/The Loop via Euclid as it runs through Barnes, Wash U and CWE. As much multimodal options and grid as possible
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Fifteen years ago, when my mom was in her mid fifties, she used Metrolink daily to get from the Shrewsbury park and ride to Wash U, where she walked a few blocks across campus to get to the lab where she worked. Metrolink is an option. I could maybe see a shuttle from Metrolink, but a parking shuttle on a dedicated right of way? I think you just described Metrolink itself.Ebsy wrote: ↑Oct 31, 2019She lives in the City, but I take your point. The distance is not the issue, it is getting out of CORTEX at rush hour which is the problem. Like I mentioned, she commuted to Grand (about the same distance) without issue for years.newstl2020 wrote: ↑Oct 31, 2019^There are places closer to Cortex than Shrewsbury to live if that is too far for her liking.
The issue isn't parking, so I don't see the point in posting some glib map pointing out parking lots that anyone can readily see exist.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2019Cortex has almost 2 parking lots for every building.
I was just relaying her complaints. I'm sorry that Urbanstl isn't willing to engage with them beyond ridicule.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Nov 01, 2019Fifteen years ago, when my mom was in her mid fifties, she used Metrolink daily to get from the Shrewsbury park and ride to Wash U, where she walked a few blocks across campus to get to the lab where she worked. Metrolink is an option. I could maybe see a shuttle from Metrolink, but a parking shuttle on a dedicated right of way? I think you just described Metrolink itself.Ebsy wrote: ↑Oct 31, 2019She lives in the City, but I take your point. The distance is not the issue, it is getting out of CORTEX at rush hour which is the problem. Like I mentioned, she commuted to Grand (about the same distance) without issue for years.newstl2020 wrote: ↑Oct 31, 2019^There are places closer to Cortex than Shrewsbury to live if that is too far for her liking.
I'd be interested in knowing the modeshare for workers there. Besides MetroLink access, most of the city's population is within really easy cycling distance (<20 minutes and on quiet side streets). Yet it seems like there are only a few bikes on the racks and (seemingly) not that many folks using MetroLink.
Lots of Teslas/Priuses in the garage, however.
Heard the Crescent building is soon to be all leased up. Way to go!
In the 1990s, the ratio was around 2 parking lots for every vacant lot.
Koman and Keeley Development Group have merged. The new entity, KDG, will pick up on Koman's and Keeley's projects. Cortex K is planned to be picked back up. Some new renderings are also available, but not many.
- 150,000SF of office.
- 161 apartments.
The newest plans show a scaled-down residential building. The images below were shared earlier on in the thread.
We should hear more regarding the updates plans later this year or early next.
- 150,000SF of office.
- 161 apartments.
The newest plans show a scaled-down residential building. The images below were shared earlier on in the thread.
We should hear more regarding the updates plans later this year or early next.
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Thanks for posting, Chris! I like the new rendering. We would all like to see bigger investment/bigger buildings/more units in the city but if this is feasible and is able to be completed it will be huge for creating a connected Sarah St. Having a built out street-scape connecting Cortex with the Grove via Sarah will be a major win for the city. One of the city's biggest issues is fragmentation. We have great neighborhoods often times within a major street of each other but there is no connectivity. Cortex and the Grove need to bridge the gap and become cohesive as soon as possible.
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Drilling equipment is on site at the 4120 Duncan and they have begun to tear down the concrete wall that faced East. Fencing and barrier is up along the sidewalk so I'd expect to see that concrete wall go in short order.
That's a novel idea, but I'm not sure how that would work - if you put an I-64 overpass for Euclid south into FPSE, it would still wind up merging with Kingshighway just on the other side of the highway. Not sure what the point would be...
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Or were you thinking something more along the lines of this?
