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^^The cardinals had to get special permissions and went to unusual lengths moving utility connections and certain building service elements in their plans even to build next to the highway, let alone over it. All manner of things are possible, but . . . it can be difficult. In Tokyo? Sure. It's done. Here? . . . *circkets*

I think the rumor mill is suggesting that Charter/spectrum might be the lead AT&T tenant? Anyone else getting that vibe? If true, the renaissance has truly begun...

Square: +500 (+900 to come)
Build-a-Bear: +200
Charter/Spectrum: +4,000?!?!

addxb2 wrote:I think the rumor mill is suggesting that Charter/spectrum might be the lead AT&T tenant? Anyone else getting that vibe? If true, the renaissance has truly begun...

Square: +500 (+900 to come)
Build-a-Bear: +200
Charter/Spectrum: +4,000?!?!

A deal with Spectrum appears possible, so I wouldn’t dismiss the rumors. But... no way 4000 employees. You forgot Abstrakt wanting to expand to 1000 employees on the Landing. You’ll also hear about some smaller office tenants soon.

I personally think ButcherJoseph, Build a Bear and Square are wins for Downtown and kicked off some sort of renaissance. This year has been good for Downtown jobs.

sc4mayor wrote:^ 4,000 may seem like it's on the high side.  But if a hypothetical Charter/Spectrum deal is a possibility and they consolidate their St. Louis campuses into one building...that's about 4,000 people on the nose according to the Regional Chamber.  That building could comfortably fit 4,000-5,000 souls.

I guess it would all depend on how much they would potentially want to move.  IF Charter is on the hunt for space hopefully they would go all in.  That building is a perfect fit for them.

My guess would be below 3000. The renovations to AT&T Tower will change it and space will be lost as a result if plans hold true. Big possibility that if Spectrum moves, they’ll occupy a good chunk of the building, but the remainder would most likely be available to others. It all depends

^ What would they do about parking? I know we all hate the question, but it's a reality.

I still think it would be great to bury more under the Serra sculpture park, but also, I don't see that as a financial option anyone wants to take on.  And it'd also be nice to see more people interact with the actual streetscape of Downtown.

bwcrow1s wrote:^ What would they do about parking? I know we all hate the question, but it's a reality.

They would build out the first few floors into parking

I mean from  a marketing perspective, what a great FU to AT&T. Taking their old building and towering above the one they currently have. 

chriss752 wrote:

sc4mayor wrote:^ 4,000 may seem like it's on the high side.  But if a hypothetical Charter/Spectrum deal is a possibility and they consolidate their St. Louis campuses into one building...that's about 4,000 people on the nose according to the Regional Chamber.  That building could comfortably fit 4,000-5,000 souls.

I guess it would all depend on how much they would potentially want to move.  IF Charter is on the hunt for space hopefully they would go all in.  That building is a perfect fit for them.

My guess would be below 3000. The renovations to AT&T Tower will change it and space will be lost as a result if plans hold true. Big possibility that if Spectrum moves, they’ll occupy a good chunk of the building, but the remainder would most likely be available to others. It all depends

If the building is configured as a single user, very little needs to be done.

sc4mayor wrote:

BellaVilla wrote:

chriss752 wrote:

They would build out the first few floors into parking

There is already parking beneath that building. Do you know the rough capacity of the current underground garage?

I've never heard the capacity, only that's it's very small and has very few spaces.

About 20 spaces.

stlien wrote:

sc4mayor wrote:

BellaVilla wrote:
There is already parking beneath that building. Do you know the rough capacity of the current underground garage?

I've never heard the capacity, only that's it's very small and has very few spaces.

About 20 spaces.

The parking in the basement was just for the top executives; heck, they even had an automatic carwash down there. Strictly the perks of the very few.  

STLinCHI wrote:

chriss752 wrote:

sc4mayor wrote:^ 4,000 may seem like it's on the high side.  But if a hypothetical Charter/Spectrum deal is a possibility and they consolidate their St. Louis campuses into one building...that's about 4,000 people on the nose according to the Regional Chamber.  That building could comfortably fit 4,000-5,000 souls.

I guess it would all depend on how much they would potentially want to move.  IF Charter is on the hunt for space hopefully they would go all in.  That building is a perfect fit for them.

My guess would be below 3000. The renovations to AT&T Tower will change it and space will be lost as a result if plans hold true. Big possibility that if Spectrum moves, they’ll occupy a good chunk of the building, but the remainder would most likely be available to others. It all depends

If the building is configured as a single user, very little needs to be done.

LOL

You're joking.

Every single major system is outdated and needs to be replaced.  Chilling, steam handling, all the piping and air handling.  Plumbing. Every floor is stripped to concrete and needs to be entirely renovated. Every kitchen area and bathroom needs to be gutted to the concrete.  All new elevators.  Generators. Cafeteria. Electrical, lighting, networking (believe it or not, networking was band-aided onto the top of the old token LAN system). Fire alarms and suppression. All new ceilings. The entire lobby and mezzanine is 80s vintage and would likely be stripped as well.

Configuring the building for multiple tenants would be the absolute least of their concerns. Why does this single tenant nonsense keep getting repeated?

bprop wrote:

STLinCHI wrote:

chriss752 wrote:

My guess would be below 3000. The renovations to AT&T Tower will change it and space will be lost as a result if plans hold true. Big possibility that if Spectrum moves, they’ll occupy a good chunk of the building, but the remainder would most likely be available to others. It all depends

If the building is configured as a single user, very little needs to be done.

LOL

You're joking.

Every single major system is outdated and needs to be replaced.  Chilling, steam handling, all the piping and air handling.  Plumbing. Every floor is stripped to concrete and needs to be entirely renovated. Every kitchen area and bathroom needs to be gutted to the concrete.  All new elevators.  Generators. Lobby. Cafeteria. Electrical, lighting, networking (believe it or not, networking was band-aided onto the top of the old token LAN system). The entire lobby and mezzanine is 80s vintage and would likely be stripped as well.

Configuring the building for multiple tenants would be the absolute least of their concerns.

I was speaking about multi-tenant vs single user floor plans (current set up).  Forgone conclusion flooring, ceilings, lighting, networking, kitchens and baths will be re-done, but staying single user would be far less expensive than converting to multi-tenant.  I could see electrical needing supplementation, but not full re-do.  If, as you say, elevators, HVAC and plumbing need full replacement, that's a whole different ballgame.  However, those costs would apply to single or multi user redevelopment options with multi being higher.     

Again, the whole multi-tenant thing is effectively a non-issue.  I don't know why this keeps coming up.  There were even floors with SBC/ATT that were fully segregated and access-controlled by business unit for security reasons (e.g. payroll, training) and yet which still shared common spaces such as elevators and bathrooms.  It's no different than Met Square. 

Okay, I'm glad I'm not the only one that didn't buy the "single tenant" issue. I've never understood what could be so unique about this skyscraper that it couldn't handle multiple users like ever other skyscraper in the world. I think it was just a excuse that someone rambled off one time, the media got ahold of it and thought it sounded fun. 

Growing local ad firm doubling it's space Downtown to 35,000 sq. ft. 

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 09151.html

sc4mayor wrote: ^ Been a pretty decent run of things lately for downtown.  Hopefully we'll hear something soon about AT&T.

Isn't the info on who bought the AT&T being released later this month?

framer wrote: Growing local ad firm doubling it's space Downtown to 35,000 sq. ft. 

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 09151.html

Even though they're relocating from the Park Pacific, this is great to hear.  200 N. Broadway is an awesome location.

"Inside Downtown St. Louis’ Evolution Into a Tourism Hub"

https://mydowntownstl.com/downtown-st-l ... 0NST-GdfZk