I would guess almost zero. I don't really see how more cargo makes much of a difference. If it were passenger service then maybe a tad more than zero.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Apr 04, 2019What are the chances that a St. Louis-Mexico cargo hub would boost hispanic population in the metro area?
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I would like to think that if a Mexican company is going to invest millions into Lambert, that money will spill over into other economic connections between St. Louis and Mexico. Maybe that’s naïve or just plain dumb.
But if the cargo hub is successful, could the operation result in more passenger service, or more satellite offices in the St. Louis metro?
I guess what I’m asking is, could this snowball into something big for the region?
But if the cargo hub is successful, could the operation result in more passenger service, or more satellite offices in the St. Louis metro?
I guess what I’m asking is, could this snowball into something big for the region?
I wouldn't bet on that. For whatever reason St. Louis hasn't been a very big draw for Hispanics. The City has about 4% of it's population listed as Hispanic, compared to 10% in KC. The overall share in Metro St. Louis is even smaller at only about 2.5%. I won't speculate on the reasons because I'm not Hispanic and really couldn't possibly know. Having said that, you can find some very vibrant Hispanic and Latino culture in the Cherokee Street area. The Cinco de Mayo festival in particular is quite a party. The same can be said for most other nationalities that have carved little communities out of St. Louis. The Bosnians in Bevo and elsewhere, the Italians on the Hill, the Chinese in University City (for now), the Irish in Dogtown, if I'm not mistaken there are quite a few other types of Asian cultures that have eateries and businesses along South Grand. I'd even bet there are still some Creoles in the deep South Side too.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Apr 04, 2019I would like to think that there's a good chance that St. Louis could receive the same bump in hispanic population that has seemingly missed them and gone elsewhere.
It would be great for local population numbers, local economy, and local culture.
I really hope it happens.
And to swing us back on topic here, I do think the cargo facility has a good chance of happening. Here is some background from the Post-Dispatch if you haven't seen it:
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 3ee4e.html
Edit (just saw your last post): I don't think it's a Mexican company that's coming in and making the investment. Sounds like it's a local or at least US developer that plans to make the investments and then sign Mexican cargo operators to use the facility. Could it spur additional connections? Absolutely possible, I definitely wouldn't say that's a dumb assumption.
I had seen that article, but it has been 3 months and I haven't heard anything else. DIdn't know if it was stalled again or what.
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I thought that some Mexican company called Bi-National was pitching in a lot of the dough for the hub.
Maybe that has changed. But if they are, I would hope that more economic connections are created between St. Louis and other Mexican companies. And if that happens, perhaps St. Louis gains some satellite offices, and then, later, Hispanic population growth.
Maybe that has changed. But if they are, I would hope that more economic connections are created between St. Louis and other Mexican companies. And if that happens, perhaps St. Louis gains some satellite offices, and then, later, Hispanic population growth.
Well...I'm not sure lol. I thought the guy was from Brownsville Texas (he does own another company there), but after a bit of googling, I really can't find anything else about him or this company outside of the media coverage about Lambert. Either way, I do agree with you, I would hope those types of things could be spurred too.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Apr 05, 2019I thought that some Mexican company called Bi-National was pitching in a lot of the dough for the hub.
Maybe that has changed. But if they are, I would hope that more economic connections are created between St. Louis and other Mexican companies. And if that happens, perhaps St. Louis gains some satellite offices, and then, later, Hispanic population growth.
^^ As far as a delay, I'm not sure. The PD article did mention he was waiting on Mexico's approval for some of the customs stuff, maybe he doesn't have that yet. God knows things haven't really been amicable between the two countries for a couple years now. Hopefully we'll see some action soon, article said they "hoped to start in March," it's only early April...hopefully we'll hear something soon.
^ I thought it was encouraging that the article referenced Clayco's development group was on board as they might help get some space up and running even though it be for more traditional logistic warehousing with stuff coming and going from truck more then plane. The region has a relatively tight market for available large spaces.
However, you have to wonder how far along is the development in regards to the various state tax credits being pursued as noted in the same article. It was a chunk of financing to kick start. Anyone with insight and knowledge on that front?
However, you have to wonder how far along is the development in regards to the various state tax credits being pursued as noted in the same article. It was a chunk of financing to kick start. Anyone with insight and knowledge on that front?
May flight frequency spreadsheet
I only did Southwest for May last year so I can't compare the other airlines to last year.
Southwest is up +30 flights over last year or 4%
Only difference on WN from April is an extra Mon-Fri flight to Orlando.
Other notes
AA added frequencies back to DCA/LGA/PHL as summer starts to get closer.
DCA has no 50 seaters. First time I have seen this since I have been keeping track. All E175 and CRJ700s
LGA is going to have 4 E140s though....
Dallas will have 6 of its 8 flights on MD80s.. get em while you can.
PHX previously mentioned goes down to 1x
Delta
LGA almost all switched from CRJ900s to E175s now
Air Canada
Added a 3rd flight to Saturday so it is 3x daily now. (4 daily kicks in in June)
Frontier
DEN goes to 2x daily
United
Not in my spreadsheet because it isn't consistent but they are starting to mix in E175s on Newark. Up to 2 a day, sometime none.
Allegiant
Destin goes to 9x a week. First route at BLV to have more than one flight daily on it ever.
Full Spreadsheet
I only did Southwest for May last year so I can't compare the other airlines to last year.
Southwest is up +30 flights over last year or 4%
Only difference on WN from April is an extra Mon-Fri flight to Orlando.
Other notes
AA added frequencies back to DCA/LGA/PHL as summer starts to get closer.
DCA has no 50 seaters. First time I have seen this since I have been keeping track. All E175 and CRJ700s
LGA is going to have 4 E140s though....
Dallas will have 6 of its 8 flights on MD80s.. get em while you can.
PHX previously mentioned goes down to 1x
Delta
LGA almost all switched from CRJ900s to E175s now
Air Canada
Added a 3rd flight to Saturday so it is 3x daily now. (4 daily kicks in in June)
Frontier
DEN goes to 2x daily
United
Not in my spreadsheet because it isn't consistent but they are starting to mix in E175s on Newark. Up to 2 a day, sometime none.
Allegiant
Destin goes to 9x a week. First route at BLV to have more than one flight daily on it ever.
Full Spreadsheet
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jshank83 wrote: ↑Apr 07, 2019May flight frequency spreadsheet
I only did Southwest for May last year so I can't compare the other airlines to last year.
Southwest is up +30 flights over last year or 4%
Only difference on WN from April is an extra Mon-Fri flight to Orlando.
Other notes
Air Canada
Added a 3rd flight to Saturday so it is 3x daily now. (4 daily kicks in in June)
Frontier
DEN goes to 2x daily
Thanks for posting. It's great to see Southwest continue to build St. Louis. Air Canda also seems to have found a home here.
I think what's interesting is that Frontier appears to have figured out it's strategy for STL.
CUN - daily
DEN 2x daily (we'll see if this is year round now, or just for the summer)
LAS - daily
MCO - daily (2 arrivals Friday)
PUNTA - 3x per week (we know this will return in Dec. 19, after a few months break)
I wonder if Frontier will bring back service to Jacksonville and West Palm Beach. I know the Jacksonville numbers were solid, but I wonder about Palm Beach. I'm looking forward to seeing your latest load numbers.
Frontier has their schedule out they mid November. No Jax on it. It always could be added back in later but Frontier is really hard to read. They start and stop routes on a whim. Unless something is getting 90% loads then I never trust them to keep it going. Fort Myers they ran over 85% and they still cut it.
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Regarding Ft. Myers, yes I know, that was so odd. It'll be interesting to see if Sun Country brings back the route.jshank83 wrote: ↑Apr 07, 2019Frontier has their schedule out they mid November. No Jax on it. It always could be added back in later but Frontier is really hard to read. They start and stop routes on a whim. Unless something is getting 90% loads then I never trust them to keep it going. Fort Myers they ran over 85% and they still cut it.
Maybe Frontier is waiting to see if Southwest picks up the Jacksonville route? If WN doesn't Frontier would have a niche here , because I don't think Sun Country services Jacksonville yet and Allegiant can't really be considered competition.
Looking at your total monthly flights for STL, there should be a BIG increase in total passengers served in March, as total Feb. flights were 1581 and total March flights were 1699 -- an increase of 118 flights. I can't wait to see the ariport's air traffic report for March.
Sun Country adding Vegas in September 2x a week. Continues them picking off other routes that airlines cut. Allegiant is cutting (at least seasonally) Las in August.
Frontier cut Tampa/For Myers and Sun picked them up.
Alaska cut Portland and Sun picked it up.
It takes a break on Minny for Sep/Oct and then starts it back up 4x a week again in November.
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... r-st-louis
Frontier cut Tampa/For Myers and Sun picked them up.
Alaska cut Portland and Sun picked it up.
It takes a break on Minny for Sep/Oct and then starts it back up 4x a week again in November.
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... r-st-louis
Someone poster a video showing closed down concourse D. Pretty recent. Better check it out before the airport makes him take it down, because it is petty like that.
Also shows the remodel going on in C at the 50 second mark, but you can’t see much.
When he shows the old food court in C/D it brings back memories of when I was younger.
Also shows the remodel going on in C at the 50 second mark, but you can’t see much.
When he shows the old food court in C/D it brings back memories of when I was younger.
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^Thank you! That's a fun little trip. Damn I miss the "chili pepper" red carpet everywhere. The end of D now E just isn't the same in hospital white. (Happy it's open and all, but . . . I do miss the red.)
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Can they even do that? I feel like they'd have no leg to stand on, particularly since he obviously had their permission to look around and film.
It was nice to see all of D, though, particularly while the vestiges of TWA yet remain (was it green originally, since it was built for Ozark?). Also nice for him to tack on some footage of the end of the C concourse as well, especially of the upstairs area.
And it’s been taken down. Not surprised at all with the way this airport is marketed.
I am guessing it was an airline employee or airport employee with access and the airport didn’t know they posted it til it got passed around on social media.
Just makes me shake my head. So predicable.
I am guessing it was an airline employee or airport employee with access and the airport didn’t know they posted it til it got passed around on social media.
Just makes me shake my head. So predicable.
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I don't understand why they are so protective of a space where millions of people used to walk through every year. Are they afraid of security breaches? Are they ashamed of the state the concourses are in? It just seems like they want to hide something, or they have a surprise.
1. This definitely was a security breach. The videographer and the employee who allowed access should be arrested. Dude had ground access and access to a jetway. Imagine if his goals had been more nefarious.
2. The concourse is sealed off for a reason. It is idled, which is different than "abandoned", in my opinion. Then there are liability issues to consider. If you do not have proper clearance to be back there, you should be arrested.....period.
3. Still.......the city should be doing something more with that concourse. Tear it down. Build a hotel or something useful.
2. The concourse is sealed off for a reason. It is idled, which is different than "abandoned", in my opinion. Then there are liability issues to consider. If you do not have proper clearance to be back there, you should be arrested.....period.
3. Still.......the city should be doing something more with that concourse. Tear it down. Build a hotel or something useful.
The guy said in the comments he works at the airport for AA. I assume that is why he had a key code that unlocked the doors (jetway to tarmac, old D, underneath C). Which means he probably did have access.
He did need help to look in the construction area, so maybe it was only coded for construction workers and police or something.
He did need help to look in the construction area, so maybe it was only coded for construction workers and police or something.
The man who made the video told News 4 he works for an airport vendor. Lambert officials say he's not a security threat, but they are investigating the video.
https://www.kmov.com/news/youtuber-gain ... 78f8f.html
So apparently he didn't work for AA.
https://www.kmov.com/news/youtuber-gain ... 78f8f.html
So apparently he didn't work for AA.
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We must have been typing at the same time. I also posted this link, but deleted my post after I saw yours. It's laughable the airport has made the news about this -- which one again proves a prior point about their lack of marketing and self-promotion.jshank83 wrote: ↑Apr 10, 2019The man who made the video told News 4 he works for an airport vendor. Lambert officials say he's not a security threat, but they are investigating the video.
https://www.kmov.com/news/youtuber-gain ... 78f8f.html
So apparently he didn't work for AA.
At least we know they're reading this forum and other social media.
Exactly, for a number of reasons
1. For modest cost relative to what other airports are spending such as New Orleans new terminal or what KC got going you could expand T2 to the east with new modern & spacious gates, expanded ticket area while looking at reconfiguring the road access & minor metrolink realginment to the east for more curbside space & expanded T2 short term parking garage
2. A new on site hotel with a new metrolink station in place of where D extends/old food court from T1 accomodates future revenues, business activity and an amenitiy that travelers are seeking and utlizing.
3. I'm still advocating that B should torn down at same time and incorporate a long term vision for single access entry, new T1 immigration/customs, amenitity haul with top deck vies of runway in its place that accesses a single linear concourse by connecting west end of A & east end of C to create a T,
We must have been typing at the same time. I also posted this link, but deleted my post after I saw yours. It's laughable the airport has made the news about this -- which one again proves a prior point about their lack of marketing and self-promotion.frequentflyer wrote: [quote=jshank83 post_id=302823 time=<a href="tel:1554863709">1554863709</a> user_id=10173]
The man who made the video told News 4 he works for an airport vendor. Lambert officials say he's not a security threat, but they are investigating the video.
https://www.kmov.com/news/youtuber-gain ... 78f8f.html
So apparently he didn't work for AA.
At least we know they're reading this forum and other social media.
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I will say seeing he was a wheelchair helper person, he probably wasn’t supposed to be our walking on the tarmac. That much had to be a no no.
It also sounds like the news ran with it and asked the airport about it. But I am sure it was brought to the airports attention when someone @ them on Twitter last night.
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Did the elevator he got in to go up to the upper level of C have any security? Seems like it was just too easy to use. Though I wasn't paying attention.
If it didn't, I wonder if someone could theoretically get into the old ambassador's club? Though I assume it would be locked anyways.
If it didn't, I wonder if someone could theoretically get into the old ambassador's club? Though I assume it would be locked anyways.