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It's interesting that people are taking such a strong stand for either candidate when they have virtually the same platform.

I think it has less to do with their platforms and more to do with who supported the installation of the memorial at Shaw and Klemm. I also think there is some ego involved as well.

Both Shaw NextDoor and the Shaw Facebook page are dumpster fires. I've never lived in a more divided community.

Shaw is nothing like the brochures, I can't wait to move.

It's not my ward, so I haven't followed it particularly closely. From the RFT article it does sound like Fehler supported prop P and Rice opposed it. I'm unfamiliar with who stood how on the memorial. Obviously they're both Democrats, in spite of the I Rice is presently sporting, since they're the two committee members.

I think it has less to do with their platforms and more to do with who supported the installation of the memorial at Shaw and Klemm. I also think there is some ego involved as well.

Both Shaw NextDoor and the Shaw Facebook page are dumpster fires. I've never lived in a more divided community.

Shaw is nothing like the brochures, I can't wait to move.

Come on now. You can't use social media as a gauge of a community. Moderate people are less likely to continually post on those forums.

If you're that interested in moving, then why haven't you left yet? There's available housing everywhere.

pat wrote:

I think it has less to do with their platforms and more to do with who supported the installation of the memorial at Shaw and Klemm. I also think there is some ego involved as well.

Both Shaw NextDoor and the Shaw Facebook page are dumpster fires. I've never lived in a more divided community.

Shaw is nothing like the brochures, I can't wait to move.

Come on now. You can't use social media as a gauge of a community. Moderate people are less likely to continually post on those forums.

If you're that interested in moving, then why haven't you left yet? There's available housing everywhere.

I own a house which needs to appreciate a bit more so I can sell it and not lose my shirt. Answer your question?

To say Shaw isn't a divided community (and drama filled) is just naive. Talk to your neighbors, I do.

olvidarte wrote: ↑

Jan 30, 2018

pat wrote:

I think it has less to do with their platforms and more to do with who supported the installation of the memorial at Shaw and Klemm. I also think there is some ego involved as well.

Both Shaw NextDoor and the Shaw Facebook page are dumpster fires. I've never lived in a more divided community.

Shaw is nothing like the brochures, I can't wait to move.

Come on now. You can't use social media as a gauge of a community. Moderate people are less likely to continually post on those forums.

If you're that interested in moving, then why haven't you left yet? There's available housing everywhere.

I own a house which needs to appreciate a bit more so I can sell it and not lose my shirt. Answer your question?

To say Shaw isn't a divided community (and drama filled) is just naive. Talk to your neighbors, I do.

Oh the sweet, sweet irony to find out these two are next door neighbors.

^Ha

^^Yeah it does. I was just trying to see if there was something "emotionally" holding you back from moving.

I'm our block captain. I'm involved with the neighborhood association. I volunteer a lot of my time in the neighborhood. So I talk pretty regularly with my neighbors (or so I think).

I don't disagree that there isn't drama. People have strong opinions. And when there's an election, those strong opinions can exacerbate that drama. But that drama in Shaw exists everywhere. I hear about it in Tower Grove South and the Hill. I heard the same drama when I lived in Southampton. I read about drama when following the Downtown neighborhood board elections.

But how divided is it? Paul and Annie appear to have very similar stances. I have met and talked to both of them a number of times. They both seem to be on the same page politically. I don't think Shaw is as divided as it appears on Nextdoor or Facebook. Its just looks that way because of the emotionally loaded posts.

Saw a single-family house this morning that has both a Fehler and RIce sign in the yard.... I love those.

Rachel Lippmann‏ @rlippmann

FINAL UNOFFICIAL NUMBERS
@PaulFehler - 853
@AnnieRiceStL - 1279
#FateOfWard8

Wasn’t a fan of either candidates but though Fehler was the more reasonable and level headed of the 2. Rice seems more of a puppet and is following an agenda other Alderman deem successful without evidence it makes St Louis a better place.


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^ Jack Coatar (7th Ward) is an attorney.

This was honestly one of the weirdest BoA elections I have ever witnessed. Totally different from the close race in 2015 with totally different cleavages in Ward 8. At least my prediction that Conway would not run for reelection came to fruition!

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Feb 14, 2018

Wasn’t a fan of either candidates but though Fehler was the more reasonable and level headed of the 2. Rice seems more of a puppet and is following an agenda other Alderman deem successful without evidence it makes St Louis a better place.


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no offense but

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblo ... supporters

You know they are drawing up redistricting lines as we speak to try to district-out as many of Green (or her successor), Rice, Spencer, and Guenther as possible. With the right combinations they might be able to kick as many as 3 of them out at once.

They know they have to nip this "revolt" in the bud, wiping out the most prominent members in one fell swoop would be a damn good way of doing it.

Believe it or not, the areas where the Green’s, Spencer’s, Rice’s, and the Guenther’s could get elected is very small. They could never get elected on the north side. To call it a revolt is laughable at best.


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^ I disagree with that but that's not what's important; what's important is..... did you move back to the city?

Re: redistricting: Looking at population trends and considering that the board is being halved from 28 to 14, it seems more likely that they simply draw all of the area around Tower Grove Park into one seat and let them all duke it out. Population trends in North City mean that it is likely going to have even fewer wards proportionally than it did under the last round of redistricting; I would not be surprised if we ended up with something like 7 wards in South City, 2 in the Central Corridor (centered on the CWE and Downtown) and 5 wards in North City.

I've been thinking 6 vertically oriented ones across the center and 4 north and 4 south would be interesting. Though with the imbalance growing north v south those 6 would have a lot of the south instead of being balanced as I'd like.

Need a "draw your own wards" online app

Wasn’t a fan of either candidates but though Fehler was the more reasonable and level headed of the 2. Rice seems more of a puppet and is following an agenda other Alderman deem successful without evidence it makes St Louis a better place.

Why weren't you a fan of either one?

Have you ever personally talked to Fehler or Rice to determine who was more reasonable?

Have you ever talked to either of them to actually understand their views or attended one of the debates? It certainly doesn't sound like it.

^ of course not. (s)he just doesn't like the word "progressive" because SOCIALISM!!!

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Feb 15, 2018

I've been thinking 6 vertically oriented ones across the center and 4 north and 4 south would be interesting. Though with the imbalance growing north v south those 6 would have a lot of the south instead of being balanced as I'd like.

Need a "draw your own wards" online app

If you can get Dave's Redistricting App to work you should be able to draw new wards (though only with 2010 census numbers.)

pat wrote:

Wasn’t a fan of either candidates but though Fehler was the more reasonable and level headed of the 2. Rice seems more of a puppet and is following an agenda other Alderman deem successful without evidence it makes St Louis a better place.

Why weren't you a fan of either one?

Have you ever personally talked to Fehler or Rice to determine who was more reasonable?

Have you ever talked to either of them to actually understand their views or attended one of the debates? It certainly doesn't sound like it.

I have followed the race closely.

She lacks identity and individual ideas. She is one sided. She seems like your typical candidate cut from the same progressive cloth as the Green/Spencer/Guenther crew. Here is our platform now go out and promote and get stuff done. Because Bernie said so, it must be the right thing. It’s no different than white/black or southside/northside alderman being aligned because of race or ward location. And let’s face it, there are some good ideas that come out of the progressive movement and some really really bad ones that lack any scientific evidence whatsoever. The biggest problem is they think STL City operates in a vacuum. For example, they want to reform incentives, increase money for affordable housing, add more homeless services without considering the fact the city already houses 90% of the regions homeless and low income individuals. You wanna reform incentives in the city? Fine, but make sure surrounding counties aren’t dolling out excessive incentives because if they are, it will disproportionately harm the city’s progress and re-enforce a segregated region.

Fehler, who also has his own set of warts, at least seems more centric and willing to listen to both sides of an issue while crafting a solution that isn’t just another popular idea promoted by the progressive party.



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I'd vote for Rice for mayor in 2021. I mean, there's no way she'd win given how racist most white people are in this town and given that she runs on an anti-racist, pro-BLM platform. But I'd be happy to support her.

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Feb 15, 2018

I'd vote for Rice for mayor in 2021. I mean, there's no way she'd win given how racist most white people are in this town and given that she runs on an anti-racist, pro-BLM platform. But I'd be happy to support her.

So the only reason she'd lose is because everyone who doesn't support her is a racist? Not because people don't think she's the best candidate for the job? Cool.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that Annie Rice is the most noble human being ever to walk the Earth.

Virtually ever bullet point on her agenda is race-based. Fine, great. It's St. Louis.

Let's say someone comes along and wants to open a store around Tower Grove offering up socks and underwear. No worries, your Alderman will be available 24/7 to help you view your business plans through a "racial equity lens". Fine, great I guess.

In reality, she will spend most of her time replying to emails and tweets about dog poop on the sidewalk and complaints about how the guy a few doors down the street doesn't know how to park correctly.

It can be painful to watch someone get their idealistic blood drained out like a vampire. I sincerely wish her the best of luck though.