I think it is enterprise. I'm not 100% sure though. I seem to remember it being in one of the commission meeting docs about 9 months ago or so.
I know nothing about TWs employee parking in STL (although AA has a much smaller lot closer to Terminal 1 for Terminal and STL based crews), but the 90s-2001 were far from TWs heyday, they were more like the company’s death kneel where they were losing money in an environment that was easy for the rest of the industry to print money in.
TWs heyday was somepoint in the 1970s
I think the poster meant the STL TWA hub heydays. Those years had the most flights @ STL and, therefore, many employees working here and using the parking lot.JAL007 wrote: ↑Dec 01, 2017I know nothing about TWs employee parking in STL (although AA has a much smaller lot closer to Terminal 1 for Terminal and STL based crews), but the 90s-2001 were far from TWs heyday, they were more like the company’s death kneel where they were losing money in an environment that was easy for the rest of the industry to print money in.
TWs heyday was somepoint in the 1970s
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This is something that needs to happen. Short term parking demand is only going in increase in that garage especially for international arrivals so either making it available for someone to pick someone up from those flights. or if people still want to park there for longer term have them pay that much more since they completely could and is missed revenue.dweebe wrote: ↑Dec 01, 2017Completely agree. They are leaving money on the table and frustrating a lot of people by the lack of short term availability. Keep all the other rates the same and raise the 24 hour rate to $35 (or in that area).dabeags wrote: ↑Nov 29, 2017Just left after a day trip and both in the morning and this evening T2 seemed far busier than I ever remember seeing.
Somewhat related note, they need to increase the cost to park in the T2 garage. It is basically full nonstop midweek. I would pay 50+ to park for the day if they let me. Real frustrating never to be able to park there or LotE really.
It was enterprise. It's a 5 year lease with a 5 year option after that.
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... inutes.pdf
Rankings by Eno
“Where are Airline Passengers Getting the best service?”
St. Louis is the highest rated “medium-hub” market.
St. Louis market ranks 19th. Far better than peer cities; KC (38th), Nashville (39th), Indianapolis (26th), Milwaukee (41st), and Cincinnati (43rd).
https://www.enotrans.org/etl-material/f ... =hootsuite
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“Where are Airline Passengers Getting the best service?”
St. Louis is the highest rated “medium-hub” market.
St. Louis market ranks 19th. Far better than peer cities; KC (38th), Nashville (39th), Indianapolis (26th), Milwaukee (41st), and Cincinnati (43rd).
https://www.enotrans.org/etl-material/f ... =hootsuite
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^ I'm a bit confused on their grading criteria. According to the article:
Those last two lines are what confuse me, as the BTS statistics (at least from a period between Sept. 2017 and Aug. 2017) show that Southwest carried 58.02% of all passengers at STL, while the next largest carrier (AA) carried only 11.92%. Very similar percentages exist for every previous recent statistical period. This clearly contradicts the article's numbers and shows that there is, in fact, a dominant carrier at STL. In fact, the very next paragraph states:When it comes to regions served by medium hub airports, St. Louis, Fort Myers, and Buffalo stand out with their relatively high FlyScores compared to regional GDP. The FlyScore for St. Louis is higher in part because it has more domestic destinations than Miami, likely due to its central location in the continental U.S. But the big difference why these three cities scored well is that they do not have a dominant airline. The largest share of passengers by any airline in St. Louis, Fort Myers, and Buffalo are 23 percent, 22, percent and 28 percent, respectively.
I even checked the most recent statistics for both Fort Myers and Buffalo; they're more or less in line with what was stated and do show no clearly dominant carrier. Am I missing something, or misinterpreting something (such as them only including originating passengers)? The percentages are clearly contradictory in nature and way off for STL; surely I'm just not seeing something.On the other hand, Riverside/Ontario and San Jose are strong economically, yet have FlyScores of 37 and 45, respectively. While fares at those airports fall in the bottom third, they serve few destinations and both have more than 50 percent of flyers on one airline. Luckily for those regions, they are within a reasonable drive of large hubs with high FlyScores.
^I am guessing our domestic network is a lot better than most of the other medium airports so that offsets the dominate carrier. All those airports you listed don't have the flights or route network we have domestically.
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“Of course, it’s an airport’s job to try to steal traffic from other airports, but it’s probably not going to happen because of the new terminal, but what will happen is that now Southwest will be able to connect more people through Kansas City,” he says.”
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2017/12/04/ ... mbert/amp/
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2017/12/04/ ... mbert/amp/
Here is the quote from which the headline is derived. It's a bit of a stretch if you ask me.
moorlander wrote: ↑Dec 04, 2017“Of course, it’s an airport’s job to try to steal traffic from other airports, but it’s probably not going to happen because of the new terminal, but what will happen is that now Southwest will be able to connect more people through Kansas City,” he says.”
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2017/12/04/ ... mbert/amp/
The headline is pretty much the exact opposite of what the article says.moorlander wrote: ↑Dec 04, 2017“Of course, it’s an airport’s job to try to steal traffic from other airports, but it’s probably not going to happen because of the new terminal, but what will happen is that now Southwest will be able to connect more people through Kansas City,” he says.”
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2017/12/04/ ... mbert/amp/
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I got that part of their criteria, but I'm still confused as to where they got their percentage for STL from, especially considering they used the BTS stats too. It also wouldn't negate their statement that STL doesn't have a dominant carrier. Oh well, it's really not an issue, I'm just being nitpicky.
Ohh I misread that line in your post. I didn't see it said 33 percent. No clue where that came from.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Dec 04, 2017I got that part of their criteria, but I'm still confused as to where they got their percentage for STL from, especially considering they used the BTS stats too. It also wouldn't negate their statement that STL doesn't have a dominant carrier. Oh well, it's really not an issue, I'm just being nitpicky.
Wow, I just parked in LotA for the first time ever and saw that it too has an underground wall to T1. So much a better parking situation over in that terminal.imperialmog wrote: ↑Dec 01, 2017This is something that needs to happen. Short term parking demand is only going in increase in that garage especially for international arrivals so either making it available for someone to pick someone up from those flights. or if people still want to park there for longer term have them pay that much more since they completely could and is missed revenue.dweebe wrote: ↑Dec 01, 2017Completely agree. They are leaving money on the table and frustrating a lot of people by the lack of short term availability. Keep all the other rates the same and raise the 24 hour rate to $35 (or in that area).dabeags wrote: ↑Nov 29, 2017
Just left after a day trip and both in the morning and this evening T2 seemed far busier than I ever remember seeing.
Somewhat related note, they need to increase the cost to park in the T2 garage. It is basically full nonstop midweek. I would pay 50+ to park for the day if they let me. Real frustrating never to be able to park there or LotE really.
LotE and T2 full at 8:15 am again this morning....
They need to just build another garage where LotE is. I am assuming expanding T2 garage higher isn't a feasible option. Although the part of T2 that isn't covered you would think they could build levels above that part.
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Any increased garage at T2 should include reworking and expanding the arrival/departure drives. The last few times I flew, it was chaos trying to get to and out of the loading zones. There's no true clear solution, but I think they should at least look into it.
I really wouldn’t let the cross state trolling get to anyone here. Southwest is a conservative, well run carrier and they wouldn’t be adding capacity at Lambert if it wasn’t performing to their expectations. Yes carriers pay lip service to this line (like AA did until 2010; DL/NW did in MEM; UA/CO CLE, etc) but Southwest’s product and brand resonates with the locals and business community, they wouldn’t abandon what they have going simply for more modern (and costly facilities).
Regarding Brett Snyder/Cranky Flier, he is very knowledgeable and many C-Suite executives read his blog religiously. He does appear to possibly have some feelings about STL for whatever reason and his post during late 2009 when the AA dehub/“Cornerstone” announcement at the time even prompted some of his readers and commenters to ask:
http://crankyflier.com/2009/09/18/ameri ... ther-hubs/
http://crankyflier.com/2010/02/22/st-lo ... g-airport/
http://crankyflier.com/2010/06/15/a-del ... eah-right/
Like I said he’s very objective and well regarded but wanted to leave these here for anyone interested to review and draw conclusions as they see fit.
Regarding Brett Snyder/Cranky Flier, he is very knowledgeable and many C-Suite executives read his blog religiously. He does appear to possibly have some feelings about STL for whatever reason and his post during late 2009 when the AA dehub/“Cornerstone” announcement at the time even prompted some of his readers and commenters to ask:
http://crankyflier.com/2009/09/18/ameri ... ther-hubs/
http://crankyflier.com/2010/02/22/st-lo ... g-airport/
http://crankyflier.com/2010/06/15/a-del ... eah-right/
Like I said he’s very objective and well regarded but wanted to leave these here for anyone interested to review and draw conclusions as they see fit.
I am assuming... theres a stronger correlation between the landing fees than the overall quality of the airport.
With Lambert Landing fees trending downward (dare I say, dramatically?) and MCI increasing, I don’t know if the airport quality between new MCI and STL will be such a dramatic variable.
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With Lambert Landing fees trending downward (dare I say, dramatically?) and MCI increasing, I don’t know if the airport quality between new MCI and STL will be such a dramatic variable.
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No reason to spend too much time on something that is at least 4 years away anyway. Who knows what things will be like by then.
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Seems a legit question and I can only speculate. Running numbers from jshank's handy spreadsheets it looks like Southwest is running about 41% of STL commercial passenger aircraft movements right now. If they took their numbers when Cape and Webber had more destinations that percentage might have been noticeably smaller, even though their percentage of passengers would still have been much higher. If they made the mistake of measuring SW flights against total movements that would make it even smaller.(What with a 737 seating, oh, a hundred fifty or so more people than a Grand Caravan. Albeit in much less comfort.) That's just a wild guess, but it's the best I've got. Seems clear to me there's a dominant carrier. That's why the airport has to file the fancy competition plan every so often. Just to prove they're working to make the place all sparkly for airlines that aren't that special someone. In most cases the imbalance between passengers and movements might not be so extreme, but since Southwest flies only one flavor of plane and everyone else loves sending their RJs here . . .Trololzilla wrote: ↑Dec 04, 2017. . . I'm still confused as to where they got their percentage for STL from, especially considering they used the BTS stats too. It also wouldn't negate their statement that STL doesn't have a dominant carrier. Oh well, it's really not an issue, I'm just being nitpicky.
Just a PSA. AA and SW are running big sales on flights to PHX/FLL right now. Southwest has $33 one way to phx and $27 one way to FLL in Jan/Feb on Tues/Wed/Sat. AA has some RT for 65 to PHX
Thanks jshank! I may take a day trip out to PHX like we used to do in the TW days.
Looks like the sale extends into Mar, 3/6.
Looks like the sale extends into Mar, 3/6.
Looks like there was a Delta 767 in town today. Guessing it was a charter but still would have been cool to see something different.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8 ... /KSTL/KATL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8 ... /KSTL/KATL