It sounds like a lot of regional schools are hurting, with lay-off announcement articles on MIZZOU and SIU-C coming closely on the heals of that SLU article. Sounds like SIU-E is in better shape, as they're actually lending money to prop up the Carbondale campus. Still, tough times for higher education.
A $7,900,000 building permit for 1125 S Grand BLVD was issued for "EXT. ALT. (EXVAC, GRADING, & UND. UTIL.) PER PLANS" to Alberici Healthcare two weeks ago. I would expect we'll see some dirt work happening soon if it hasn't started already.
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Official groundbreaking will be in September. Expect to see some utility work done before that though. I believe Ameren will be building a new substation for it.
Official groundbreaking will be August 31st at 10:00 AM.
Live construction camera is up and running too:
https://app.truelook.com/?u=ss1488835626#tl_live
Live construction camera is up and running too:
https://app.truelook.com/?u=ss1488835626#tl_live
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I do t recall seeing all of these renderings
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Thank god for the green space. The doctors and patients are really going to use it.
The green space mentioned in all the articles is tucked behind and between the buildings, out of site of these renderings. And yes, it will be very welcome and much used by doctors and patients. Every medical professional will confirm the benefits of a comfortable outdoor place for escape from the hospital environment.
The green space at the corner on Grand is a place-holder for future construction.
The green space at the corner on Grand is a place-holder for future construction.
Was this supposed to be sarcasm? Because I for sure read it that way.
Also, I was unaware that the SLU Hospital Complex needed more green space.
Screen Shot 2017-09-05 at 2.32.37 PM by Alex Price, on FlickrThey bulldozed an awful lot of historic buildings in that area for "placeholder" green space.
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Lets keep in mind that SSM is building the new SLU Hospital, but any future buildings may be Med School based. Would not surprise me to see a few more outpatient buildings eventually or SLU sell land to developers based on their ability to control the area via masterplan.
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The green space around the disease lab is, I believe, mandated by federal safety regulations. (And common sense, given some of the stuff they s reputedly deal with.) Further, it's across the street and thus functionally inaccessible to the patients in the hospital, many or most of whom will have impaired mobility. The good and useful green space is the stuff tucked between buildings that you con't see in the renderings. The stuff you see in front of the garage is a separate issue and could well be developed later. We had this discussion last year, as I recall.aprice wrote: ↑Sep 05, 2017Was this supposed to be sarcasm? Because I for sure read it that way.
Also, I was unaware that the SLU Hospital Complex needed more green space.
Screen Shot 2017-09-05 at 2.32.37 PM by Alex Price, on Flickr
One side note: while I mourn the loss of the Peavely complex the hospital will be lovely and the view of Firmin Desloge from across Mill Creek Valley is spectacular, and the setback of the primary tower will preserve that. It really is a quite stunning building. The view is . . . almost worth it. Almost.
^Much of the green space is because of a former quarry on the property that can't/would be cost-prohibitive to build on. Nothing to do with federal prevention of 28 Days Later/World War Z.
The benefits of an outdoor place to escape the hospital environment... and stare at Grand and inhale vehicular pollution?framer wrote: ↑Sep 05, 2017The green space mentioned in all the articles is tucked behind and between the buildings, out of site of these renderings. And yes, it will be very welcome and much used by doctors and patients. Every medical professional will confirm the benefits of a comfortable outdoor place for escape from the hospital environment.
The green space at the corner on Grand is a place-holder for future construction.
Here's a good view of the "green space". It's tucked back behind all the buildings, where the red trees are in this image. All the other empty spaces will undoubtedly be built on sometime in the future. Medical centers tend to add lots of new buildings through the years.
As the SLU spokesperson said in the PD article:
"...it was important to incorporate green space to project a soothing and healing environment...The green space will be situated between the hospital and outpatient facility, similar to the feel of an outdoor commons area, a frequent design element at many university campuses, Becker said."
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As the SLU spokesperson said in the PD article:
"...it was important to incorporate green space to project a soothing and healing environment...The green space will be situated between the hospital and outpatient facility, similar to the feel of an outdoor commons area, a frequent design element at many university campuses, Becker said."
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I believe these are old renderings which have been adjusted since. I wish the garage would still come all the way up to continue the street wall.framer wrote: ↑Sep 06, 2017Here's a good view of the "green space". It's tucked back behind all the buildings, where the red trees are in this image. All the other empty spaces will undoubtedly be built on sometime in the future. Medical centers tend to add lots of new buildings through the years.
As the SLU spokesperson said in the PD article:
"...it was important to incorporate green space to project a soothing and healing environment...The green space will be situated between the hospital and outpatient facility, similar to the feel of an outdoor commons area, a frequent design element at many university campuses, Becker said."
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Isn't the garage technically a separate design to some extent?cardinalstl wrote: ↑Sep 06, 2017
I believe these are old renderings which have been adjusted since. I wish the garage would still come all the way up to continue the street wall.
I think you're right that CadrinalStL's are older, but if you compare the renderings to the newer ones Moorlander put up the major elements of the hospital itself seem unchanged. Which leads me to think that green space nook should still be there. Even BJC has a few of those tucked into the corners around their megalith. (And more now than they used to, even if the place is otherwise getting larger and denser.) They're a pretty common feature now. I can't recall the last time I was in a medical facility that didn't have secluded green space for patients, and indeed family or even medical staff to recuperate a little. Those little courtyards are a lifesaver. Sadly, I've spent way too much time in and around hospitalsm rehab centers, and nursing homes thanks to proximity to chronic and ultimately fatal illness and a long career moonlighting in drug delivery. Sure, it's anecdotal, but I can show you the good spots at BJC, probably Mercy, Boone, University, and just possibly St. Anthony's, as well as every nursing home in CoMO and several here. And I think I could still manage not to get completely lost at Barnes. For a little while. That won't last at the rate things are going. Still, that alone should tell you I spent too much time in that . . . campus. Anyway . . .
The street lawn is not what is referenced here. And across the street is no use at all. Might as well be on the moon. Not all green space is equal. Some is terrible. Some is danged needful. Lots of the rest is in between. But we're talking about different bits of green space. We can all agree, I think, that the stuff in front of the garage should eventually be filled. And sooner is better. And if there were a way to fill three quarters of SLU's general profusion of junk lawns, by eminent domain if necessary, lord would that be splendid.
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Yes I was talking about the street lawn and not the green space nook. I am perfectly fine with the nook but not so much the street lawn. The older renderings have the garage or another building fronting the street where as the new ones look to have eliminated that structure.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Sep 07, 2017Isn't the garage technically a separate design to some extent?cardinalstl wrote: ↑Sep 06, 2017
I believe these are old renderings which have been adjusted since. I wish the garage would still come all the way up to continue the street wall.
I think you're right that CadrinalStL's are older, but if you compare the renderings to the newer ones Moorlander put up the major elements of the hospital itself seem unchanged. Which leads me to think that green space nook should still be there. Even BJC has a few of those tucked into the corners around their megalith. (And more now than they used to, even if the place is otherwise getting larger and denser.) They're a pretty common feature now. I can't recall the last time I was in a medical facility that didn't have secluded green space for patients, and indeed family or even medical staff to recuperate a little. Those little courtyards are a lifesaver. Sadly, I've spent way too much time in and around hospitalsm rehab centers, and nursing homes thanks to proximity to chronic and ultimately fatal illness and a long career moonlighting in drug delivery. Sure, it's anecdotal, but I can show you the good spots at BJC, probably Mercy, Boone, University, and just possibly St. Anthony's, as well as every nursing home in CoMO and several here. And I think I could still manage not to get completely lost at Barnes. For a little while. That won't last at the rate things are going. Still, that alone should tell you I spent too much time in that . . . campus. Anyway . . .
The street lawn is not what is referenced here. And across the street is no use at all. Might as well be on the moon. Not all green space is equal. Some is terrible. Some is danged needful. Lots of the rest is in between. But we're talking about different bits of green space. We can all agree, I think, that the stuff in front of the garage should eventually be filled. And sooner is better. And if there were a way to fill three quarters of SLU's general profusion of junk lawns, by eminent domain if necessary, lord would that be splendid.
My same concern as well. A courtyard of sorts would be great, with the garage built almost up to the street. I don't see why they need an entire swath of green space that fronts one of the busier thoroughfares in the city.
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but we also don't want a street-fronting garage unless it has commercial space. i'd rather that swath be available for development than have a big blank wall built to the sidewalk.
I doubt it would be a big blank wall, that would be an eyesore on the entire development, especially if it's right in front. I'd love commercial space, though. It would make sense with the amount of people that would be around there.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Sep 08, 2017but we also don't want a street-fronting garage unless it has commercial space. i'd rather that swath be available for development than have a big blank wall built to the sidewalk.
I'm not sure why they wouldn't just put the parking garage in the back, though, if they are putting a parking garage in. You would think they would want the most prominent building the most visible.
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I can't find anything on either HGA or Lawrence Group's website, but I was looking at the renderings from last December on NextStL. That, I believe, is where Framer got his renderings. I can't really find anything reliably newer, but here's what's interesting. On some of the renderings the angled structure appended to the front of the garage is labeled retail. And the difference between the renderings seems to amount to little more than the presence or absence of that front building. Could it be that the retail, though attached, is completely independent of the garage and is already in the plans, but as a separate phase? (To be built later, perhaps.) The newer renderings may essentially amount to a way to economize some of the more wistful features of the original renderings while retaining most of the functionality: cheaper garage, straighter angles, less fancy lobby and so forth. And maybe make some things more phased. (And even the newer renderings are from February.)
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Re-upping this as its starting to get interesting... I assume sometime later this year we'll see a legit crane or two.chaifetz10 wrote: ↑Jul 26, 2017Official groundbreaking will be August 31st at 10:00 AM.
Live construction camera is up and running too:
https://app.truelook.com/?u=ss1488835626#tl_live
Meanwhile, SLU's medical school continues to draw accreditation scrutiny:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/educ ... 57f2d.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/educ ... 57f2d.html