Yep. Even more interesting (almost morbidly entertaining, to a degree) is the court record of the civil suit filed by his mother:
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/mo-court-of- ... 13279.html
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Hmm! That is interesting!jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 01, 2017As much as I really don't have any interest in Spirit Airlines, I wonder if this will end up with them entering the market.
GoJet has entered into a Pilot Pathway Program with Airbus operator Spirit Airlines that will guarantee GoJet pilots a First Officer position at Spirit in as little as two years. GoJet pilots who are accepted into the Pathway Program will be eligible to transition to Spirit after two years of service.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 96893.html
And that is a whole different kind of interesting.moorlander wrote:https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/04/03 ... 607579200/Trololzilla wrote: Also happened upon the story of the one drunk guy that stole a golf cart in D and then hid in a trash compactor, whereupon he met his unfortunate end after it automatically activated. It wasn't something I'd heard of, and it's quite the interesting read.
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symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Aug 02, 2017
And that is a whole different kind of interesting.
I know, right?!
The bidders responded to the bid request with questions, which are answered on an addendum published yesterday. It's not back out for bid so much as it's reissued with clarifications.
Some interesting bits:
Buildout would require a new A/C unit; the one there today is in poor condition.
The city would provide the restaurant only one parking spot for employees - in the T1 garage.
Vendors asked whether the city would consider a reduced-rent clause to the lease should the nearby gates be abandoned in the future. The response: No.
At least one bidder asked about live music would be allowed. Yes, it's welcome.
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June numbers are out. June passengers are up 4.5%; overall passengers up by 5.9%. Total departures (all planes) up by 7.9%. Cargo is up as well. Very well could finally hit 15,000,000 again this year.
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... 7_ATAS.pdf
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... 7_ATAS.pdf
Not bad. I was hoping June would be better but last year was really strong so I guess I can't complain too much. I think we have to be around 7.5% on the year to hit 15 mil for 2017 so the second half needs to have some really good numbers. It sounds like the next fiscal year should make 15 pretty easily though.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Aug 02, 2017June numbers are out. June passengers are up 4.5%; overall passengers up by 5.9%. Total departures (all planes) up by 7.9%. Cargo is up as well. Very well could finally hit 15,000,000 again this year.
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... 7_ATAS.pdf
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I would also wait to see July as well. July is a huge travel month, and St Louis had two large conventions, Herbalife and Urban League. I know Herbalife brought nearly 50,000 people to the area, more than half flew in. August also is big for STL as many people fly in here for University move in, and also for universities in Columbia and Springfield. I believe 15 million would move STL out of the "medium" sized airport category into the "large" sized category.jshank83 wrote:Not bad. I was hoping June would be better but last year was really strong so I guess I can't complain too much. I think we have to be around 7.5% on the year to hit 15 mil for 2017 so the second half needs to have some really good numbers. It sounds like the next fiscal year should make 15 pretty easily though.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Aug 02, 2017June numbers are out. June passengers are up 4.5%; overall passengers up by 5.9%. Total departures (all planes) up by 7.9%. Cargo is up as well. Very well could finally hit 15,000,000 again this year.
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... 7_ATAS.pdf
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Even if STL got to 16 million -this- year, I doubt that would be enough to change the airport's classification from "medium hub" to "large hub". The classifications are based on percentage of traffic nationally, and with the aviation industry booming, virtually every airport is seeing increases in traffic meaning STL is staying right where it is with respect to everyone else. In the near-term, the only airport STL has a chance of passing is Dallas Love which is near absolute maximum capacity (only new and bigger 737s for SW can help increase their numbers). The next airport in the rankings is Portland which has flown past 18 million.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Aug 02, 2017I believe 15 million would move STL out of the "medium" sized airport category into the "large" sized category.
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^ though last year and I think this year too St. Louis is growing percentagewise faster than national average. Also it would be hard to picture 10% growth two years in row as well, especially given Southwest's fleet issues and that would be a lot of increase in two years. That and there does seem to be some accomodation in facilities for the recent growth in terms of facilities and amenities that are getting clogged as result.
One other thought is month to month comparisons is its hard to tell if there noticable differences in delays/cancellations. Since that would impact things. Another thing to consider is August might have unusual traffic with the Solar Eclipse on the 21st. There could be quite a bit of travellers from outside the area and even outside the country visiting for that. Also might be some odd flights going on that day as well, Southwest noted 3 flights from them to St. Louis would be eclipse related.
One other thought is month to month comparisons is its hard to tell if there noticable differences in delays/cancellations. Since that would impact things. Another thing to consider is August might have unusual traffic with the Solar Eclipse on the 21st. There could be quite a bit of travellers from outside the area and even outside the country visiting for that. Also might be some odd flights going on that day as well, Southwest noted 3 flights from them to St. Louis would be eclipse related.
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Excellent point about the Eclipse. Also, south of St. Louis is the point of longest duration. MoDOT is expecting a 'doomsday' on the road. Infact, any search right now for flights into STL on the day before and after will come up with several 'sold out' returns. Will be a big event for our region. Estimates that nearly 650,000 people will be in the STL area during the event.imperialmog wrote: ↑Aug 02, 2017^ though last year and I think this year too St. Louis is growing percentagewise faster than national average. Also it would be hard to picture 10% growth two years in row as well, especially given Southwest's fleet issues and that would be a lot of increase in two years. That and there does seem to be some accomodation in facilities for the recent growth in terms of facilities and amenities that are getting clogged as result.
One other thought is month to month comparisons is its hard to tell if there noticable differences in delays/cancellations. Since that would impact things. Another thing to consider is August might have unusual traffic with the Solar Eclipse on the 21st. There could be quite a bit of travellers from outside the area and even outside the country visiting for that. Also might be some odd flights going on that day as well, Southwest noted 3 flights from them to St. Louis would be eclipse related.
Lyft and Uber finally about to come to the airport.
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... -companies
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... -companies
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I'll open the can of worms.
BA will most likely be announcing a new route to Middle America this September, with the frontrunners being STL, BNA, and IND. Obviously I am biased, so I believe STL will land BA this fall.
Here's why: STL's business community has finally come to the table in the last couple years to try and land this flight. Several companies (WWT, ExpressScripts, Monsanto, Bull Moose etc.) have come forward to support service. Many of them would pack the premium cabins. Also, STL is the only airport of the three that has actually traveled to London to meet with BA officials. Lord Paul, an extremely wealthy British businessman who has business ties to St. Louis via Bull Moose, sat in with Mayor Slay and airport officials to lobby BA to bring the route to STL. The same cannot be said for BNA and IND. From my attempts to research, I have found no public record of Nashville Airport officials meeting with anyone from British Airways either in Nashville or London. Not saying a meeting hasn't happened, but no record of it has been made public. Nashville also has very little business support for a TATL to London. It's major employers, Bridgestone and Nissan, have connections to Asia, not Europe. BNA also currently does not have a functioning customs hall. Construction also has not begun on the temporary facility. It should also be noted that BNA does not currently have the jetway infrastructure to handle any aircraft at the terminal building larger than a 757. STL has a large customs hall, two customs access gates. BNA also has many domestic air service holes that are not yet filled. Not the case in STL. STL has nonstop service to every major metropolitan area in the United States for which a flight is profitable and feasible, the exceptions being Memphis, Indianapolis, and Louisville. STL also has a modern and renovated airline lounge, while BNA has two dated and often closed lounges for American and Delta. A new lounge will also be under construction soon at STL. Indianapolis is in an even worse position than Nashville. IND has purely business support, which even the businesses that publicly support a route are not numerous enough or profitable enough to support it. Indianapolis also has very low traffic numbers compared to BNA and STL. STL for previous FY is 14.4 million, BNA at 13.4 Million, IND has not yet been released but over the last few years has hovered around 8 million. I think we can also look to the past two routes for BA. Austin is purely a business centric route, with New Orleans being tourist heavy. If pattern proves correct, they will select a business centric destination for this upcoming route. That obvious choice is St. Louis. However, STL also could support the route on tourism as well. It all depends on what BA is looking for.
There it is, my dissertation. I anxiously await September/October to see if I eat crow.
BA will most likely be announcing a new route to Middle America this September, with the frontrunners being STL, BNA, and IND. Obviously I am biased, so I believe STL will land BA this fall.
Here's why: STL's business community has finally come to the table in the last couple years to try and land this flight. Several companies (WWT, ExpressScripts, Monsanto, Bull Moose etc.) have come forward to support service. Many of them would pack the premium cabins. Also, STL is the only airport of the three that has actually traveled to London to meet with BA officials. Lord Paul, an extremely wealthy British businessman who has business ties to St. Louis via Bull Moose, sat in with Mayor Slay and airport officials to lobby BA to bring the route to STL. The same cannot be said for BNA and IND. From my attempts to research, I have found no public record of Nashville Airport officials meeting with anyone from British Airways either in Nashville or London. Not saying a meeting hasn't happened, but no record of it has been made public. Nashville also has very little business support for a TATL to London. It's major employers, Bridgestone and Nissan, have connections to Asia, not Europe. BNA also currently does not have a functioning customs hall. Construction also has not begun on the temporary facility. It should also be noted that BNA does not currently have the jetway infrastructure to handle any aircraft at the terminal building larger than a 757. STL has a large customs hall, two customs access gates. BNA also has many domestic air service holes that are not yet filled. Not the case in STL. STL has nonstop service to every major metropolitan area in the United States for which a flight is profitable and feasible, the exceptions being Memphis, Indianapolis, and Louisville. STL also has a modern and renovated airline lounge, while BNA has two dated and often closed lounges for American and Delta. A new lounge will also be under construction soon at STL. Indianapolis is in an even worse position than Nashville. IND has purely business support, which even the businesses that publicly support a route are not numerous enough or profitable enough to support it. Indianapolis also has very low traffic numbers compared to BNA and STL. STL for previous FY is 14.4 million, BNA at 13.4 Million, IND has not yet been released but over the last few years has hovered around 8 million. I think we can also look to the past two routes for BA. Austin is purely a business centric route, with New Orleans being tourist heavy. If pattern proves correct, they will select a business centric destination for this upcoming route. That obvious choice is St. Louis. However, STL also could support the route on tourism as well. It all depends on what BA is looking for.
There it is, my dissertation. I anxiously await September/October to see if I eat crow.
^Probably better to refer to it as "middle America" in this instance.
Not to also mention that the STLCO Port Authority is throwing money at the airline that steps up service.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/traffic/al ... 1de61.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/traffic/al ... 1de61.html
The one wild card for me is how much money each city if offering. If IND, for example, throws way more money at BA then all bets are off, in my opinion. If money is equal I think it is STL or BNA. Like you said, BNA is in the middle of making a temporary customs hall. I don't know when it is supposed to be ready, but flights probably wouldn't start til next spring/summer anyways, so I am sure they could figure something out. All this said with all the new players in the TATL flight game it would be feasible all 3 could get service. Not saying it is likely, but Norwegian, Condor, BA, WOW (which I don't count but technically is), etc all could each pick one. I just hope we do get picked and it goes well and others follow. It seems like Condor has been following BA into markets and now Austin also landed Norwegian so they are up to 3. It would be nice to have London, Paris, Frankfurt. It would be really helpful for us if somehow Southwest paired up with Norwegian/Condor or someone like that. Anyways, I am hopefully someone starts next year even if it isn't BA.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Aug 02, 2017I'll open the can of worms.
BA will most likely be announcing a new route to Middle America this September, with the frontrunners being STL, BNA, and IND. Obviously I am biased, so I believe STL will land BA this fall.
Here's why: STL's business community has finally come to the table in the last couple years to try and land this flight. Several companies (WWT, ExpressScripts, Monsanto, Bull Moose etc.) have come forward to support service. Many of them would pack the premium cabins. Also, STL is the only airport of the three that has actually traveled to London to meet with BA officials. Lord Paul, an extremely wealthy British businessman who has business ties to St. Louis via Bull Moose, sat in with Mayor Slay and airport officials to lobby BA to bring the route to STL. The same cannot be said for BNA and IND. From my attempts to research, I have found no public record of Nashville Airport officials meeting with anyone from British Airways either in Nashville or London. Not saying a meeting hasn't happened, but no record of it has been made public. Nashville also has very little business support for a TATL to London. It's major employers, Bridgestone and Nissan, have connections to Asia, not Europe. BNA also currently does not have a functioning customs hall. Construction also has not begun on the temporary facility. It should also be noted that BNA does not currently have the jetway infrastructure to handle any aircraft at the terminal building larger than a 757. STL has a large customs hall, two customs access gates. BNA also has many domestic air service holes that are not yet filled. Not the case in STL. STL has nonstop service to every major metropolitan area in the United States for which a flight is profitable and feasible, the exceptions being Memphis, Indianapolis, and Louisville. STL also has a modern and renovated airline lounge, while BNA has two dated and often closed lounges for American and Delta. A new lounge will also be under construction soon at STL. Indianapolis is in an even worse position than Nashville. IND has purely business support, which even the businesses that publicly support a route are not numerous enough or profitable enough to support it. Indianapolis also has very low traffic numbers compared to BNA and STL. STL for previous FY is 14.4 million, BNA at 13.4 Million, IND has not yet been released but over the last few years has hovered around 8 million. I think we can also look to the past two routes for BA. Austin is purely a business centric route, with New Orleans being tourist heavy. If pattern proves correct, they will select a business centric destination for this upcoming route. That obvious choice is St. Louis. However, STL also could support the route on tourism as well. It all depends on what BA is looking for.
There it is, my dissertation. I anxiously await September/October to see if I eat crow.
FWIW, E33 has customs hall access also, so 3 gates are useable with customs. I didn't think it did until I flew out of it last month and noticed there is a stairway down to customs from it. I think there also is an elevator. People were getting off a Xtra Airways flight as I was boarding and I could see them walking down below thru the glass door at the bottom of the stairs.
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Maybe so. I think the one thing IND really cannot offer is revenue guarantees. From my understanding, there is really mediocre business support for LHR out of IND. It's really only the aiport pursuing it. IND still has many domestic holes, and passenger counts are pretty stagnant. BNA really only has the tourist draw, which is fairly domestic to North America, but they can support a route. There's little business support in Nashville. Also regarding the BNA customs facility, the only documents and reports I can find indicate that it is delayed. In St. Louis, there's very strong business and regional support for the route. I would imagine that the STL incentive package is revenue guarantees, waived landing fees, and probably several million dollars in other incentives. I know that Sheila Sweeney, Rhonda Hamm-Neubregge, Lyda Krewson, and Steve Stenger do have this as a priority. I would also imagine that in any STL pitch they include Kansas City, Springfield, IL and pretty much all of MO. I think having the state capitals of two major US states within 2 hours drive is a selling point as well.jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2017
The one wild card for me is how much money each city if offering. If IND, for example, throws way more money at BA then all bets are off, in my opinion. If money is equal I think it is STL or BNA. Like you said, BNA is in the middle of making a temporary customs hall. I don't know when it is supposed to be ready, but flights probably wouldn't start til next spring/summer anyways, so I am sure they could figure something out. All this said with all the new players in the TATL flight game it would be feasible all 3 could get service. Not saying it is likely, but Norwegian, Condor, BA, WOW (which I don't count but technically is), etc all could each pick one. I just hope we do get picked and it goes well and others follow. It seems like Condor has been following BA into markets and now Austin also landed Norwegian so they are up to 3. It would be nice to have London, Paris, Frankfurt. It would be really helpful for us if somehow Southwest paired up with Norwegian/Condor or someone like that. Anyways, I am hopefully someone starts next year even if it isn't BA.
FWIW, E33 has customs hall access also, so 3 gates are useable with customs. I didn't think it did until I flew out of it last month and noticed there is a stairway down to customs from it. I think there also is an elevator. People were getting off a Xtra Airways flight as I was boarding and I could see them walking down below thru the glass door at the bottom of the stairs.
I imagine the route would be broken down this way:
IND 4x weekly; seasonal (I really feel this plane would be completely empty)
BNA 4x weekly; year round
STL 5x weekly; year round
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Hey now, that's not fair! The Lambert business was in the eighties. That other trash compactor . . . that was ten years earlier.moorlander wrote: ↑Aug 02, 2017symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Aug 02, 2017
And that is a whole different kind of interesting.
I know, right?!
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This is not true. BNA has lounges for both AA and DL. DL has recently renovated most if not all of their lounges. AA has just begun to do the same - and their current lounge is still in good shapw.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Aug 02, 2017STL also has a modern and renovated airline lounge, while BNA has two dated and often closed lounges for American and Delta.
Where did you get this "often closed" idea?!? They are open for their scheduled hours, just like STL.
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The last two times I have been through BNA, the Admirals Club has had a sign posted on the door stating "The Nashville Admirals Club is closed today for repairs. Please come back and see us again soon." I assumed that this was due to lack of use.gregl wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2017This is not true. BNA has lounges for both AA and DL. DL has recently renovated most if not all of their lounges. AA has just begun to do the same - and their current lounge is still in good shapw.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Aug 02, 2017STL also has a modern and renovated airline lounge, while BNA has two dated and often closed lounges for American and Delta.
Where did you get this "often closed" idea?!? They are open for their scheduled hours, just like STL.
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"Nashville airport to land direct flight to London"
http://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2 ... 538475001/
Well ok then...
Assuming they actually mean "nonstop" and not "direct", as they already have direct flights. Kind of a bummer that BNA seems poised to get a Europe flight before STL, though it technically hasn't been announced yet. Maybe we should pitch harder to Lufthansa now? (since I'd rather have that anyway)
http://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2 ... 538475001/
Well ok then...
Assuming they actually mean "nonstop" and not "direct", as they already have direct flights. Kind of a bummer that BNA seems poised to get a Europe flight before STL, though it technically hasn't been announced yet. Maybe we should pitch harder to Lufthansa now? (since I'd rather have that anyway)
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Welp. I'm done posting in here now. We probably are not getting one now or ever.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2017"Nashville airport to land direct flight to London"
http://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2 ... 538475001/
Well ok then...
Assuming they actually mean "nonstop" and not "direct", as they already have direct flights. Kind of a bummer that BNA seems poised to get a Europe flight before STL, though it technically hasn't been announced yet. Maybe we should pitch harder to Lufthansa now? (since I'd rather have that anyway)
I am seriously stunned. I knew for solid fact that BA was working with an advertising agency here in STL to develop promotional materials. I'm just very shocked. I'm beginning to really feel that the person (friend) who told me about this was lying.
Just some facts about this right now:
St. Louis is the largest CSA in North America without a TATL or TPAC. Let that sink in. We now have 3 cities who are significantly smaller than we are with less air service than us getting these routes. I'm furious. What the hell do we have to do, sell our city to an airline? We don't even have WOW Air or Icelandair for goodness sakes. With all of our civic leaders like Sheila Sweeney, Rhonda Hamm-Neubregge, Lyda Krewson and Steve Stenger coming out and saying "this is a top priority", What. I understand the whole comments that will succeed this post by saying "oh well you know STL just can't support it there's no market." BS. Absolute crap. STL sees over 500 passengers per day to Europe, FAR more than the 300 that BNA is reporting. BNA doesn't even have a functioning customs facility. Good grief!
Just some facts about this right now:
St. Louis is the largest CSA in North America without a TATL or TPAC. Let that sink in. We now have 3 cities who are significantly smaller than we are with less air service than us getting these routes. I'm furious. What the hell do we have to do, sell our city to an airline? We don't even have WOW Air or Icelandair for goodness sakes. With all of our civic leaders like Sheila Sweeney, Rhonda Hamm-Neubregge, Lyda Krewson and Steve Stenger coming out and saying "this is a top priority", What. I understand the whole comments that will succeed this post by saying "oh well you know STL just can't support it there's no market." BS. Absolute crap. STL sees over 500 passengers per day to Europe, FAR more than the 300 that BNA is reporting. BNA doesn't even have a functioning customs facility. Good grief!
That is an airline that has looked at St Louis, but unlikely. If we are to get TATL service, which now looks doubtful as LHR slots are pretty much nonexistent anymore if BNA gets LHR, it would be BA to LHR. Condor could be another airline STL is pursuing, but again, unlikely at this point. It will produce no result as I am not of the press, but I have just contacted various local officials regarding this. It's really frustrating that we cannot even land WOW air or Condor at this point.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2017Maybe we should pitch harder to Lufthansa now? (since I'd rather have that anyway)
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^Lol, I feel you. I had to wait a bit before I was able to post the link after seeing the thread on A.Net. Ugh.
If you want to feel angry again (and these are 4 year old numbers):
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=599DD953
Shouldn't Lufthansa be able to fill planes even easier than BA, what with all the German-owned companies in the STL metro?
If you want to feel angry again (and these are 4 year old numbers):
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=599DD953
Shouldn't Lufthansa be able to fill planes even easier than BA, what with all the German-owned companies in the STL metro?
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Maybe. But as your numbers highlight, the majority of STL-EUR passengers terminate in London. Even though BNA is still technically a 'rumor', BA has 20 LHR-USA routes. I really do not see them expanding anymore beyond that. I believe this closes our chances-seriously. I think if we were to get someone to FRA, it would be Condor. I don't believe LH is expanding to the USA at the moment, or really anywhere. It's very frustrating, to say the least. Could it be that STL will get a flight along with BNA, and we just haven't gotten a leak? Possible, but unlikely. I imagine that BNA will have thrown massive incentives at BA, considering I still find no record of TN politicians besides Megan Barry lobbying the route. Again, I am puzzled by this given that BNA does not have a functioning customs facility and will not have one for at least the next few years.Trololzilla wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2017^Lol, I feel you. I had to wait a bit before I was able to post the link after seeing the thread on A.Net. Ugh.
If you want to feel angry again (and these are 4 year old numbers):
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=599DD953
Shouldn't Lufthansa be able to fill planes even easier than BA, what with all the German-owned companies in the STL metro?