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jshank83 wrote: Also, is there somwhere that lists how many vacant buildings are left? With all the ones being redone, is it pretty much just the really big ones left?

http://www.urbanstl.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&start=75

STLrainbow wrote: For WashAve loft district I think what it needs the most is more residents and workers in the surrounding area instead of trying to recapture the dominant market share it once had on nightlife

Totally agree. And with respect to a drugstore, like the opposite of "Field of Dreams": "If they come they (CVS) will build it" ...Tho, the small footprint of Culinaria seems like it makes it pretty direct competition.

Anyone seen any recent numbers of downtown population? It'd be interesting to see where population is at for the the area bounded by say 4th, 14th, Washington and Market. Once the population hits a certain level it seems it has to make sense for CVS or Walgreens to plop down a store somewhere in the middle of that.

debaliviere wrote: ↑

Jun 01, 2017

STLrainbow wrote: ↑

Jun 01, 2017

Brick River Cider also plans to open this fall in the old firehouse at 20th & Wash. And the upcoming residents in the two conversion projects on Wash Ave with a total of 200 units will help add some population momentum down that way. .

I'd really like to see infill development OFF Washington, particularly on the vacant blocks to the north. Washington itself is nice, but needs to be part of a cohesive neighborhood instead of essentially a standalone street.

there's also still some considerable rehab potential for existing buildings up that way.... things like that St. Louis Braiding warehouse conversion that never got off the ground. Anyway, many hundreds of new units could be added west of city Museum between rehab and mid-rise infill with room to spare for some townhomes etc.

shadrach wrote: ↑

Jun 01, 2017

A bit OT—
With all the talk of the 5 townhouses going in at 923 Locust, I've always thought DTWest could have dozens of infill townhouses similar to what Pulte proposed in Lafayette Square. The Campbell house is a good historic precedent of what the area used to be. Rather than apartment buildings filling the vacant blocks around Adler and Schlafly, townhouses could be an interesting way of bringing back the area while creating a neighborhood with an interesting Boston/Chicago feel.

Agree, it's far enough from the density and high rises that they might fit in. Maybe three stories if necessary to fit in, with some gas lights.

Also, I can't believe how sh*tty our street lighting looks for the most part.

Per Biz journal, Sen Thai is moving into the remaining half of Prime 1000.

aprice wrote: ↑

Jun 01, 2017

People should definitely keep an eye on the remaining half of Prime 1000.

coming from this guy, I'm sure it was just a lucky guess!

Sorry to hear about Bobby's Place closing down their Wash. Ave. location. It wasn't anything too special, but a solid addition to the strip.

wabash wrote: ↑

Jun 09, 2017

Sorry to hear about Bobby's Place closing down their Wash. Ave. location. It wasn't anything too special, but a solid addition to the strip.

I think it could quite literally be any other bar and be better than Bobby's place. For some reason they branded themselves as a hockey bar (based on my understanding of Bob Plager's involvement...), but they blasted EDM and rap music while you were trying to watch it. And bros at every corner.

The strip needs to offer a reason for people to go out again. Back when it was burgeoning, it was because Wash Ave offered something people hadn't seen in a long time, or ever, in St. Louis. It's similar to Rooster's breakfast -- they kind of changed the brunch game, and now they're kind of falling to the wayside IMO, or at least they're overhyped. But then other neighborhoods caught up and pulled traffic away from Washington. We just need people with actually interesting concepts instead of turnkey bars like Bobby's to turn Wash Ave around IMO.

Red Oak Eats and Treats will be opening later this summer at 14th and Washington on the corner spot that last briefly held that A2 gluten-free place. Looks kind of interesting... https://redoakeats.com/

The Kitchen Sink Downtown has closed.

Over the last 5-7 years, believe that's the 3rd restaurant to fail in that space.

Honestly, I don't feel its a good location for any restaurant - rear side of the building, hidden from Washington Ave. And, with such few events at the Dome these days, not many people simply walk by it.

Most importantly, competition from all the MX restaurants within that very block is fierce.

Damn.

soulardx wrote: ↑

Jun 28, 2017

The Kitchen Sink Downtown has closed.

Over the last 5-7 years, believe that's the 3rd restaurant to fail in that space.

Honestly, I don't feel its a good location for any restaurant - rear side of the building, hidden from Washington Ave. And, with such few events at the Dome these days, not many people simply walk by it.

Most importantly, competition from all the MX restaurants within that very block is fierce.

Shame. I'm not surprised at all though. Terrible location for our current density, plus the only thing back there is the dome which isn't in use all the time. Also, I heard terrible things about their food service. I went once after a Rams game and the bar service was terrible as well; waited 20 minutes for a beer.

^ Agree on location. When it opened I thought it was a bad spot. If you don't know about it then you will never find it.

1204 Washington Ave - There's a new vinyl sign over the opening between 1204 Washington and the patio they just built at Tucker and Washington. There's a very long URL on it, something alone the lines of "finesse center by j beats dot com" It's actually longer than that. I googled a bit and found this: http://www.finessecenter.com/
This is definitely related. I'm guessing the new vinyl sign is for a streetfront club or event space they're opening, while the rest of the "center" will be in the back or upstairs.

There's also a new salon in one of the Live/Work spaces in the Lofts At OPOP building. I'll try to catch the name next time I'm on a grocery run.

Game 6 Honky Tonk Joint is to open Downtown this Fall. It's replacing Pastimes on 4th (the one that was featured on Bar Rescue). They're currently looking for country artists for live music. It's named after Game 6 from the 2011 World Series.

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/foodblo ... g-pastimes

per STL Mag, looks like a mini-rush of places opening by the end of the year, including one I did not know about.... Seafood by Crushed Velvet plans to open in the old Side Bar spot on Washington in a few weeks.

Kiin also is set to open this month in the M/X and Brick River Cider and The Eatery (that food court thing in the Metropolitan tower) by the end of the year.

Hamburger Mary’s is also opening at 400 Washington. Voodoo STL opened recently in the old Jive and Wail space.


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^^Especially the MX district/ eastern end. Hamburger Mary's will only help. I wonder how Blues Museum and YMCA are doing.

dylank wrote: ↑

Nov 05, 2017

^^Especially the MX district/ eastern end. Hamburger Mary's will only help. I wonder how Blues Museum and YMCA are doing.

Unfortunately i can almost guarantee you it's not doing well. A place like the blues museum is a very niche thing. How many people in 2017 listen to blues or care about it's history?

^Your key word there is "almost" - considering a guarantee based solely on sweeping generalizations on a topic/genre you apparently have no interest or knowledge of would be worthless.

Ok, so you're saying that in 2017 blues is a widely popular genre of music?

FoghornLeghorn wrote: ↑

Nov 05, 2017

Ok, so you're saying that in 2017 blues is a widely popular genre of music?

No, that's not what I was saying. But yes, it certainly is - particularly throughout the midwest and south.

FoghornLeghorn wrote: ↑

Nov 05, 2017

Unfortunately i can almost guarantee you it's not doing well. A place like the blues museum is a very niche thing. How many people in 2017 listen to blues or care about it's history?

Wow, really wish you would've sent them a memo with references to all of your research on this topic before they built. Surely your "almost guarantee" is backed up with mountains of research and expertise on the topic.

Continued funding is sorely needed, and attendance figures haven’t met initial projections. The museum reports a total of 52,000 guests between April 2, 2016, and Tuesday. A feasibility study before the museum opened projected 100,000 guests in the first year.

Getting folks into the museum may never be easy. Despite being one of music’s earliest and most significant genres, it’s also one of the least popular.

http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/m ... 8a9cd.html