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PostJan 06, 2018#1151

^ Good convo going!
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I think creating a better aesthetic environment downtown would help. The outdated streetscapes and hideous parking garages don't create a welcoming environment. What's the good in eating downtown if aesthetically it's no more appealing or adventurous then eating in a parking lot in the suburbs. Also, adding more residential density and tourists (hotels) will also make downtown have venues open later, but I actually think we are slowly moving towards a critical mass downtown. We may be 10-20 years away before downtown gets that "vibrant" feel. Right now, I just don't think downtown is the destination it needs to be. How often do families just say, let's go downtown and hang out, if it's not going to a sporting event or City Museum? In many cities you will see families just walking around downtown on a nice day, but I think a lot of that goes back to downtown just feeling voided and dated in many areas. It's not a welcoming environment outside of Washington Avenue.
This aesthetic/welcoming issue is key and local stakeholders should have been focused on this over the years as opposed to these big silver bullet ideas, But I also feel some optimism as well as some huge dead zones are finally getting redeveloped and while not everywhere in the CBD and along WashAve will be exactly vibrant, downtown should soon be a lot more stitched together with occupied buildings and a more pleasant environment. With all the new projects and increased population coming I'm hopeful we can see a couple of good retail announcements this year ahead of the actual completion of things. Also, developing a retail strategy would be helpful but I don't know if anyone downtown is working on that... Cleveland and Detroit were served well with ones that have helped out significantly. You gotta plan for it!

PostJan 06, 2018#1152

Far from earth-shattering, but I hear a new upscale eyebrow salon opened in Tower OPOP. Nice to see more services opening. A bank on the back side of M/X also should be opening soon,

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PostJan 06, 2018#1153

Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell is an "upscale eyebrow salon"?

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PostJan 06, 2018#1154

There's an eyebrow salon in the Lofts at OPOP, if that's what you're referring to. There's also a new women's clothing store in Lofts At OPOP.

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PostJan 06, 2018#1155

framer wrote:
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Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell is an "upscale eyebrow salon"?
I think they mostly do eyebrow threading, which is something you see in nail salons sometimes. Think of it as a fancy eyebrow trim and shape somehow involving dental floss. Seems like it's an Asian fashion trend that caught on here. (Or at least it's being marketed as Asian.)

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PostJan 06, 2018#1156

As others have mentioned, I think the key is just to continue to build housing downtown. You aren't going to get a ton of people driving into the city when the same amenities are closer. I live in U City and besides sports there isn't much to draw me downtown. Most of the restaurants downtown also have a location closer to me or a very similar restaurant closer (Sugarfire, Pi, Sauce on the side, Schlafly, Rooster (Half & Half), Range (5 star), etc), so I really don't have a reason to go downtown just for dinner. The places I am most likely to drive downtown are Kemoll's and 360 because of the views, or Tin Roof because it is something different. My wife and I have been talking about doing dinner and a movie at MX for about a year but it has yet to happen. So I am hoping we reach a tipping point with residential and hotel traffic that can open more retail or unique things to give me and other people more of a reason to spend time in the downtown area.

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PostJan 06, 2018#1157

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There's an eyebrow salon in the Lofts at OPOP, if that's what you're referring to. There's also a new women's clothing store in Lofts At OPOP.
oh, right, OPOP lofts and not tower.

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PostJan 07, 2018#1158

This is off topic but why does The Roberts Tower name still adorn the top of the OPOP Tower?

It's going to be interesting in what tenants railway exchange attracts I'm hoping something apparel along with cvs maybe urban target would be delightful but I'm thinking downtown would need at least 30,000 residents.

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PostJan 07, 2018#1159

^ I agree we're probably getting ahead of ourselves if we're thinking of the likes of a Target, etc,, that'll take a lot more daytime population But if all these other projects move forward and construction began on RR/X I could see some kind of major retail tenant(s) giving it a good look as things get built out over what would surely be a multi-year project. And I'd like to think we're close to a CVS or Walgreen's right now and wouldn't be surprised to hear of an announcement this year for someplace in the CBD.

Anyway, I guess a good question is what would be considered a realistic win for 2018 (non BPV)? <aybe for me a drug store, a small market/grocer in DT West and a couple neat boutiques, Anything less might be a disappointment for me and anything more a big thumbs up. What say you all?

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PostJan 08, 2018#1160

My personal dream is for a super high profile DT Walgreens like in New Orleans


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PostJan 08, 2018#1161

Love how we need three Walgreens on a mile stretch of Kingshighway, demolish a portion of a historic building for a new one, and yet can't get one in Downtown..

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PostJan 08, 2018#1162

With all thats proposed(and realistically getting built, i.e. BVPII, 300) and currently in construction (Monogram and others) I think we have a shot to add 2000 downtown residents by 2020. Which should put downtown+downtown west around 10,000+ residents.

I think BPV tower and 300 will probably be 90% new to downtown residents.

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PostJan 10, 2018#1163

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
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My personal dream is for a super high profile DT Walgreens like in New Orleans

Would look snazzy at 501 Washington! Or maybe new home to Post-Dispatch with a news-ticker wrap.

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PostJan 13, 2018#1164

We talk about increasing the number of residents but I think we overlook the importance of hotels in creating street activity. I would take a full 300 room hotel over a 300 unit apartment any day if I was a nearby restaurant owner. That's why I think it's vital to invest in our convention and tourism facilities like we are doing with the arch renovations.

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PostJan 13, 2018#1165

southcitygent wrote: We talk about increasing the number of residents but I think we overlook the importance of hotels in creating street activity. I would take a full 300 room hotel over a 300 unit apartment any day if I was a nearby restaurant owner. That's why I think it's vital to invest in our convention and tourism facilities like we are doing with the arch renovations.
Perhaps for a restaurant owner, but overall I think 300 apartments is much better for Downtown for a host of reasons.

That said, while Clayton seems to be leading office demand (basically Centene) and CWE seems to be leading in residential demand, over this economic cycle Downtown seems to have strengthened its role as the tourism and hotel center of the region.

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PostJan 16, 2018#1166

Hamburger Mary's opens Saturday, making downtown Saint Louis's newest gayburgerhood.

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PostJan 20, 2018#1168

STLrainbow wrote:
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Hamburger Mary's opens Saturday, making downtown Saint Louis's newest gayburgerhood.
curious what this looks like from the street if anyone gets any pics.

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PostJan 21, 2018#1169

I haven't been down that way but here's one from post-dispatch...


I like this...

This time, the restaurant has a new location, 400 Washington Avenue, formerly a catering hall. The 10,000-square-foot space is one of the largest in the 19-restaurant chain and can accommodate up to 400 guests.
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/d ... 8d8a5.html

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PostJan 22, 2018#1170

Wasabi leaving downtown for new location in the city. The last day of service for Wasabi's downtown location will be Jan. 31.

Wasabi Management is currently scouting locations in Midtown and the Central West End.

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... n-the.html

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PostJan 22, 2018#1171

Wasabi departing Washington Avenue is interesting. It has been there for YEARS - maybe almost 15 years or so? They always had done a major good business there (I'm not sure about anymore). Sushi Ai downtown is all you can eat for 19.99 dinner and made fresh and good... I am sure there are so many choices now that Wasabi is not exactly cheap - they never were. Maybe they are losing their lease?
Interesting though.

PostJan 22, 2018#1172

Answering my own ???s

They want more space. The restaurant space is too small. They are looking at staying downtown too...
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/d ... b864b.html

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PostJan 23, 2018#1173

since theres no more Tim Horton's maybe we should advocate for a DD's aka Dunkin Donuts just not sure where they would fit best in Downtown. Also what are to happen with the vacant Tim Horton's buildings?

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PostJan 24, 2018#1174

Obviously, I would love to see Wasabi stay downtown but I switched to Mizu about a year ago. I just think the quality is better.

Also, if anyone sees updates on the Drunken Fish development in the landing, please post updates here. I follow Laclede's Landing on Twitter, they've been posting about it lately. I just really want this to succeed.

PostMar 19, 2018#1175

As Wash Ave loses a restaurant with Wasabi closing, there's been two new restaurant openings in the past month. Hamburger Mary's opened 1 month ago and has been going strong, at least from what I've seen walking by. I've only been in once, definitely didn't feel like I was in my own neighborhood, it was so busy in there. Sen Thai pulled the paper down off the windows over the weekend to "reveal" their ongoing renovations. Definitely much more thorough than I was expecting. The stated on Facebook that they're aiming to open this week. Yes, they are about two weeks behind schedule and yes, this is just a downtown relocation but it's still great news from Wash ave. Prime 1000 was a bit too antiquated for what I'd like to see downtown become. This move allows Sen Thai to have a more visible location as well as catching Convention foot traffic.
Washington between 10th and 11th now has Mango, Mizu, Caruso's, Dapper Gents, and Stanley's. Now we just need to find a tenant to fill the old Dubliner space.

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