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^Simultaneously arbitrary and draconian.

Seems like a great way to bring Clayton highrise development (and redevelopment for some unknown reason) to a grinding halt indefinitely.

That has to be one of the dumbest things I have read. I have never heard of having an entire town vote to allow any building over a certain height built. Maybe some places it is a thing but it's crazy and a waste of money.

This petition won't be going forward. The amount of $$$ to be made on this project is out the wazoo. They should have began this PRIOR to Centene securing the land parcels. This project will be moving full steam ahead.


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"Public engagement is a critical part of the City's development review process. We have had over 21 hours of public meetings on the Centene project alone. Residents can email comments to development@claytonmo.gov (the city's email repository for development comments), or submit a comment via email to the Mayor and Board of Aldermen (can be done through the city website or individually), or, if you have the time and inclination, we welcome one and all to speak at an upcoming Board of Aldermen meeting. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It is most appreciated!"

-Cynthia Garnholz, Alderman, Ward II

moorlander wrote: ↑

Feb 03, 2017

The BoA response to this will be "Move."

Does Stacey realize she lives in the county seat which is the heart of a county home to more than a million people, not to mention home to a bustling business district? I also don't see why she didn't raise this protest while Centene was assembling the land, which I believe was the only time this project could have been derailed, or relocated. This project is happening.

Have they received their building permits?


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Fox2 - Clayton rejects citizen petition for public vote on Centene expansion

http://fox2now.com/2017/02/15/clayton-r ... expansion/

Really wish this was happening Downtown. Any other hopes for major tenants in BPV Phase 2 or 3? Or would we just be poaching other tenants from other places in the city?

Not much going on in the foreground but they're doing a lot of digging on the east side of Wellbrige. It's probably utility work, but work none the less.

Also a first truckload of steel, it would seem. That's about to start moving fast.

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chaifetz10 wrote: ↑

Jan 18, 2017

Any word or movement on this?

From today's BJ article print edition

"Construction crews are scheduled to begin excavation and shoring February 1 and foundation work in April. Construction of phase 1, which will include an office tower, parking garage, and retail space, is expected to be mostly complete in 2019. Construction of phase II, which is now split into three parts and includes another office tower, structured parking, the auditorium and retail space would begin in late 2019 and mostly completed by 2022."

Bump

chaifetz10 wrote: ↑

Mar 03, 2017

I assume that truckload of steel is to create the temporary retaining walls so they can dig the foundation or any underground garage. Probably with rail ties in between (so they can slide each rail tie between two steel beams and this supports the earth behind it). Very interesting to watch happen over time because as they dig down deeper, the ties can shift down and they add new ones to the top.

Sure sure. I expect a pile driver will be along shortly to hammer it all in. Seems a given that the first steel on site will be for the foundation work. Still, it looks like nice shiny new steel and not dirty, nasty, banged up temporary forms. I bet some of that will remain in place, albeit backfilled and with concrete poured around it.

Any way you cut it, this will be an exciting project to watch unfold. I'd guess easily the biggest thing to happen in town in a decade. Honestly, I suspect this will be the biggest project since Eagleton went up fully twenty years ago now, more or less. Unless I'm missing something.

I'm probably letting the altitude bug get to me. Yes, you're correct. Though the actual net gain from both this and Eagleton will be greater, since Busch III comes at the expense of Busch II, making it almost a wash. (BPV will make it a real gain for the area. And BPV will be a big project, in theory. I hope.)

(That's almost an interesting subject all by itself for another thread: Why do sports facilities seem like smaller projects than towers, even when the sticker price is bigger? Is this just me? Is it just terminal altitude envy? What's the real economic impact? What's the best way to measure the size of a project?)

OPOP Tower and Lumiere Casino are also large post-Eagleton investments - OPOP about half as big, Lumiere about 2x as big.

Well, given the degree to which I find Lumiere an eyesore that should be demolished or at least stripped, repurposed, and reskinned . . . clearly there's a subjective element to my memory that colored my statement. (No development that required the clearance of near on half of Laclede's Landing should really count. We will conveniently ignore what other nearby developments required the clearance of what exactly.)

Let me modify my statement: Centene is the most "exciting" new development since Eagleton. How's that? (OPOP was also a good one. I've finally reached an accommodation with Busch III, but it took serious time to come around.)

All right all right. You win. I clearly have no memory for this and my measurement is entirely what's shiny to me.

I saw they are moving a fair amount of dirt with heavy equipment on the far east side of the area (in the what was a grassy area by the metrolink station). I thought this area was last on their list to do in a couple years.

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Mar 07, 2017

I saw they are moving a fair amount of dirt with heavy equipment on the far east side of the area (in the what was a grassy area by the metrolink station). I thought this area was last on their list to do in a couple years.

I'm sure the area behind the Ritz will be used as a staging area. If you read my previous post above you can see phases outlined.

^A staging area makes the most sense. I just thought it was weird they were making big mounds of dirt when it was already pretty flat. I wouldn't think they would need to move much.