Excellent analysis Alex. This might be your finest work yet!
^My brother from Atlanta was visiting and I was telling him about this Centene/NIMBY saga, showed him the rendering on NextSTL.
He said, "They're going to build it. No doubt. It's just whether they build here. In Dallas. Or LA. But they are building it."
He said, "They're going to build it. No doubt. It's just whether they build here. In Dallas. Or LA. But they are building it."
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I think some in the local media have done us a disservice with their reporting. I never at any point had any doubt this would be built. Whether on NextDoor or the neighborhood association pages or at the town meetings the chatter has been mostly positives with neighbors simply providing input on things they'd like modified. The Crescent residents are the very vocal minority simply trying to protect their views and property value. I don't agree with them but many of them are powerful/successful people who are used to getting what they want.
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It'll be interesting to see the response from them when the crane arrives by years end.moorlander wrote:I think some in the local media have done us a disservice with their reporting. I never at any point had any doubt this would be built. Whether on NextDoor or the neighborhood association pages or at the town meetings the chatter has been mostly positives with neighbors simply providing input on things they'd like modified. The Crescent residents are the very vocal minority simply trying to protect their views and property value. I don't agree with them but many of them are powerful/successful people who are used to getting what they want.
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Gabriella Farkas posted this excellend recap from last night. I thought I'd share it here:
The Plan Commission/Architectural Review Board Meeting lasted over 5 hrs last night. The Auditorium of CHS was filled nearly full capacity, even more interested resident participated than last time. The Centene’s plan public hearing began at 7 pm, after other projects were heard and discussed.
I hope there will be a recording for those who couldn’t attend. In that case, count on nearly 4 hours of recording to review the Centene project discussion in details.
The traffic issue is a serious concern for commuters in the area.
Srinivas Yanamanamanda, CEO and President of CBB outlined the results of their studies. He predicted that some 15% average increase is expected in travel times, calculated the possibility for increased queuing and spillback but concluded, that a gridlock is unlikely to develop. He discussed, what was taken into account, and how the potential problems would be dealt with. CBB also assessed, that new 5,300 parking space would be sufficient for the development.
The hearing was a continuation of the two previous meetings, although Centene took time to re-introduce some background information on the company, their success, their objectives, and how the development would benefit the community: jobs, revenue, charitable contributions, just to mention a few.
Robert Clark’s presentation reminded us the basics features of the plan and addressed staff concerns from previous meetings.
Some of these are:
-The green and open spaces, now said to grow into some 1.4 acres additional public open space within a 9 acres development (For me, the maps and renderings didn’t reflect well this remarkably attractive ratio).
-The blocks of garage structures on Forsyth that are to be concealed by material selection, as designed at a later time (the bulkiness of those structures is evident from the renderings, and regardless of outward modification they divide space and rule the street’s image)
-Introducing more ground floor retail in a hope that pedestrians encountering those areas (some prediction of pedestrian flow seemed to be in support of the probability, that those retails are accessible and well positioned)
The responding presentations brought valuable input about many of the same point that the developer discussed and revealed some additional concern.
Attorney Kevin Cushing, representing area residents highlighted that the current Centene plan doesn’t comply with the Master Plan for the City of Clayton and concerns of the residents are not sufficiently resolved or even addressed. He pointed out that the plan doesn’t meet the criteria for approval. Balancing the development would be needed to consider it as win-win.
The point was not about rejecting the plan. Area residents expressed their support of Centene’s growth along with asking for effective modification to achieve mixed use, transportation oriented, pedestrian friendly downtown living as envisioned in the Master Plan (2010 update).Mr. Cushing called into attention, that it is premature to vote for the project as it is. We don’t know what is going to be developed.
The vice president of Lochmueller Group (civil engineering company) presented expert opinion about the traffic situation, with a lot of detail and consideration. The company investigated, if there was sufficient evidence to mitigate the impact of traffic, if the suggestions were feasible. He discussed local area issues (CBD) as well as regional impacts (the infrastructure beyond CBD is not expected to be upgraded). He also spoke of the necessity to look at more aspects that were omitted so far and use of traffic simulation models.
I found another important point that was made here: using public transportation is not achieved without incentives. Clearly, this plan builds primarily on car based commute and that appears to be realistic for now. At the same time, the design also encourages continuation of car based transportation, and likely to invite a lot more car traffic as future growth realizes.
The input from the public began at 9:20 pm. Nearly 30 people signed up.
There were testaments about Centene corporate citizenship that mostly came from those who are involved in organizations that benefited from Centene’s generosity. A wide variety of good causes were supported with substantial donations from Centene.
At least four current Centene employee came forward to voice their support of the future development of their company.
Creating jobs, construction jobs as well as other jobs that the development generates in addition to the expansion in office jobs were highly valued.
Parents were looking forward to further elevate the quality of Clayton schools, other parents were concerned about the safety of the children walking and eventually, driving on the roads with more dense traffic.
Some expressed, that this is exactly, what Clayton was hoping for a long time. Others, equally supporting the growth, expressed concerns about the direction Clayton takes by accepting the plan exactly as is. Because the Centene plan, as it is presented to us is not what the Master Plan guidance meant to envision and help to create for the downton/business district blend.
Long time local businessmen expressed, that without adjustments to the plan, Clayton will never realize a balanced, mixed used development of a downtown.
It is important to note, that not one person that I heard opposed to the project. Those who raised concerns expressed valid arguments and the emphasis has always been, how to make the project work for everyone.
The public’s input lasted for more than an hour.
After that, Mr Clark returned the podium and members of the ARB spoke. There appeared to have been an agreement, that the concerns were sufficiently addressed, with some minor remaining issue that could be handled at a later time when the subdivisions are designed.
There has been a lingering sense though, expressed by members of ARB as they spoke, that the plan is lacking in vibrancy we were looking forward to, the garages are still large, retail may be too few, and I can’t recall what was said about the green places at last.
There was an agreement that the plan presents an outstanding opportunity and should go forward.
At 10: 42 pm the members of ARB voted unanimously greenlighting the project despite the concerns. With 5 aye to 0 nay for rezoning the SDD (Special Development Disctrict) the plan has passed and now goes in front of the Board of Aldermen.-Gabriella Farkas
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Glad to hear it was cooperative and folks were thoughtful. Did you get the sense that Centene, HOK, and company are listening to concerns and trying to address them constructively? It sounds like it's going pretty well, all considered.
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Hush money!
Centene buys the Crescent parking garage and retail space.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... j=75733112
Centene buys the Crescent parking garage and retail space.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... j=75733112
Good to hear. Hopefully with that impediment out of the way, things get get more-or-less fast tracked so much empty space in that part of town that should have been built up decades ago.
Centene should consider moving HQ project to north riverfront
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/ce ... 93165.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/ce ... 93165.html
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Isn't it a little late for that? I thought the Clayton site planning was rather far along.quincunx wrote:Centene should consider moving HQ project to north riverfront
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/ce ... 93165.html
I think the article is just trying to point out the misuse of Blighting Ordinances. I'm sure they're not seriously proposing the North Riverfront site.
Whatever the intent of the article aside, I don't get the fascination/obsession with the North Riverfront site. Just let it be for now.
Focus on DT+DTW+GC+Cortex+CWE. Once that's solid and robust, other areas will fall into place much easier.
Focus on DT+DTW+GC+Cortex+CWE. Once that's solid and robust, other areas will fall into place much easier.
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Do we know when construction could commence?framer wrote:^I don't think an immovable object could stop it.
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Just received this via email
October 26, 2016
> Clayton Considering Proposed Public-Private Partnership with Centene
The City of Clayton staff announced today a proposed development plan that will be considered by the Clayton Board of Aldermen for a public-private partnership with Centene Corporation to help fund a civic auditorium and other public benefits as part of the $775 million Centene Clayton Campus Expansion.
Under the proposed plan and public-private partnership:
Centene's $103 million auditorium would be available for community use and would host regional and national ticketed events.
Centene's project would include public benefits requested by the City in response to community feedback: street upgrades, traffic mitigations, connections to MetroLink, increased retail, and a pedestrian plaza or park with public art.
Centene's would provide $110 million in real and personal property tax revenue over 20 years to Clayton police and fire services, city services and other affected taxing districts, including $50 million for Clayton schools.
To help fund the project's public benefits, Clayton staff targeted and negotiated a $36 million net present value reduction in rates - 40 percent real property tax abatement for 20 years and 50 percent personal property tax abatement for 10 years. Centene would pay full real and personal property taxes for the high-end luxury residential apartments, as well as 100% personal property taxes of development tenants and other sales, utility and hotel taxes.
Centene originally requested 50% property tax abatement, a rate they could have easily secured in other states and metro regions, even in other St. Louis taxing districts. Clayton staff negotiated a reduced rate and increased public benefits while working to retain and help grow St. Louis' second-largest Fortune 200 Company's headquarters. Clayton staff believe that as proposed, this partnership will be mutually beneficial to Clayton, Centene, and the St. Louis region.
Read the proposed development plan notice submitted to impacted taxing jurisdictions here. Submit comments to development@claytonmo.gov.
The Clayton Board of Aldermen is expected to consider the proposed development plan at the Board of Aldermen meeting on November 15, 2016 at 7 p.m. in Clayton High School Auditorium, 1 Mark Twain Circle, Clayton MO 63105.
October 26, 2016
> Clayton Considering Proposed Public-Private Partnership with Centene
The City of Clayton staff announced today a proposed development plan that will be considered by the Clayton Board of Aldermen for a public-private partnership with Centene Corporation to help fund a civic auditorium and other public benefits as part of the $775 million Centene Clayton Campus Expansion.
Under the proposed plan and public-private partnership:
Centene's $103 million auditorium would be available for community use and would host regional and national ticketed events.
Centene's project would include public benefits requested by the City in response to community feedback: street upgrades, traffic mitigations, connections to MetroLink, increased retail, and a pedestrian plaza or park with public art.
Centene's would provide $110 million in real and personal property tax revenue over 20 years to Clayton police and fire services, city services and other affected taxing districts, including $50 million for Clayton schools.
To help fund the project's public benefits, Clayton staff targeted and negotiated a $36 million net present value reduction in rates - 40 percent real property tax abatement for 20 years and 50 percent personal property tax abatement for 10 years. Centene would pay full real and personal property taxes for the high-end luxury residential apartments, as well as 100% personal property taxes of development tenants and other sales, utility and hotel taxes.
Centene originally requested 50% property tax abatement, a rate they could have easily secured in other states and metro regions, even in other St. Louis taxing districts. Clayton staff negotiated a reduced rate and increased public benefits while working to retain and help grow St. Louis' second-largest Fortune 200 Company's headquarters. Clayton staff believe that as proposed, this partnership will be mutually beneficial to Clayton, Centene, and the St. Louis region.
Read the proposed development plan notice submitted to impacted taxing jurisdictions here. Submit comments to development@claytonmo.gov.
The Clayton Board of Aldermen is expected to consider the proposed development plan at the Board of Aldermen meeting on November 15, 2016 at 7 p.m. in Clayton High School Auditorium, 1 Mark Twain Circle, Clayton MO 63105.
Centene stock down big, 15%.
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^ well, it's happening across the board. hopefully things will recover after the initial shock.
The drop is due to Centene's large presence in the Medicaid market. If the Affordable Care Act is repealed or defunded, a significant portion of that business is at risk.urban_dilettante wrote:^ well, it's happening across the board. hopefully things will recover after the initial shock.




