The Ventana - 1635 Washington Avenue

ttricamo · PostApr 18, 2008#4012008-04-18T14:00+00:00

zink wrote:^

I had to add this, just found it.

http://store.nexternal.com/shared/Store ... =604102730

Ok, now i am getting one, listening to music and holstering a Taser... can life get any better?

A grim reminder that our fair city is still on the cusp - think 1980's NYC. We'll get there, i'm sure of it.

RIP

In the meantime, for the money you're shelling out for that taser you might as well get a revolver (or a small pistol) - much more effective range.

PostApr 18, 2008#4022008-04-18T14:08+00:00

Gone Corporate wrote:EDIT: Remember, if things get too heavy, there's always http://www.stlccw.com.

After all, the impetus for the legislation was from an incident at the Shell station along Tucker a little over ten years ago. I'd be damn curious to know how many loft residents in the area have attended and are actively ascribing to it.

I strongly advocate this. The taser can help you up to 15 ft whereas most handguns are accurate (3.5" groupings) up to 50 yards.

I'm heading up to Mark Twain around 10:00am today and will be carrying.

bl211 · PostApr 18, 2008#4032008-04-18T14:26+00:00

Ridiculous. And I'm referring to the shooting and the carrying.

moorlander · PostApr 18, 2008#4042008-04-18T14:41+00:00

the answer is more people with guns/tasers.

zink · PostApr 18, 2008#4052008-04-18T14:52+00:00

I dont believe in carrying a handgun if a taser can do the same thing.

Why would you need to "shoot" someone 15 feet away? Seems to me if you are shooting someone more than 15 feet away it wouldnt be considered "self defense" anymore and more on the lines of murder on your part. (Circumstances different of course such as rampages...)

I wonder if more lofts downtown and their associations will now want to install cameras and have them recording and saving to tape/harddrive for a 72 houe period...

To bad about the earthquake, as I would have liked this story to have gotten more attention.

urban elitist · PostApr 18, 2008#4062008-04-18T15:48+00:00

A resident of this building told me it was a lover's quarrel. Any truth to this?

BTW why didn't the police do a better job keeping this quiet, how did the press find out? Pretty sloppy.

hugh ferriss · PostApr 18, 2008#4072008-04-18T16:36+00:00

From the Post-Dispatch site:

<a href="http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... nt">Police ID man found murdered in garage</a>

No suspects at this time.

funone108 · PostApr 18, 2008#4082008-04-18T16:37+00:00

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument

blueeyes · PostApr 18, 2008#4092008-04-18T16:44+00:00

Urban Elitist wrote:A resident of this building told me it was a lover's quarrel. Any truth to this?

BTW why didn't the police do a better job keeping this quiet, how did the press find out? Pretty sloppy.

Are you suggesting that only positive things be reported by the press?

dweebe · PostApr 18, 2008#4102008-04-18T16:45+00:00

I wonder if that weird shirtless dude that always leans out of the window and on the pillows on the 2nd floor above Cummels saw anything?

magnatron · PostApr 18, 2008#4112008-04-18T16:52+00:00

BL211 wrote:Ridiculous. And I'm referring to the shooting and the carrying.

Agreed.... With the exception of a few years ago back on the east coast, criminals usually don't snipe their victims from far away. With the exception of drive-bys 9 times out of 10 it is a mugging or domestic dispute gone wrong. In which case I'd much rather tase the ***hole and then kick him as hard as I can with my steel toed boots right where it counts... I honestly don't think that adding more guns on the street are the answer to safety.

urban elitist · PostApr 18, 2008#4122008-04-18T18:15+00:00

blueeyes wrote:
Urban Elitist wrote:A resident of this building told me it was a lover's quarrel. Any truth to this?

BTW why didn't the police do a better job keeping this quiet, how did the press find out? Pretty sloppy.

Are you suggesting that only positive things be reported by the press?

No.

I am suggesting that it is not only in Ventana's property owners' best interest, but in all DT residents' interest to keep these issues out of the press. Obviously once the press catches wind, they are going to report it.

Call the police, let the professionals do their job and look for the suspect. Then, if the police deem it necessary they can release info to the press if it will help locate the suspect.

You don’t see stories on the front pages when this crap happens in the burbs, and it is for a reason.

No one is served by giving the local media fodder to sensationalize for their evening news reports.

sshoe · PostApr 18, 2008#4132008-04-18T18:29+00:00

[/quote] You don’t see stories on the front pages when this crap happens in the burbs, and it is for a reason.[/quote]

I would argue the exact opposite. When this stuff does happen in the burbs, it is over-reported. It's the shock value. People think that this type of thing is not supposed to happen in the burbs or in upscale loft developments, so it's more interesting to news readers when it does.

stldtfan · PostApr 18, 2008#4142008-04-18T18:52+00:00

As a resident of the Ventana I can affirm that I hated seeing our building in this negative light. Even if this comes out to be a targetted act, it still s**cks that someone lost their life and that the media was there to report "murder in a luxury loft building". We cannot blame the media for that, but it dies portray "our" home (all of loft district) in a negative light.

stlgasm · PostApr 18, 2008#4152008-04-18T20:18+00:00

I am surprised that there are no security cameras in the garage???

ttricamo · PostApr 18, 2008#4162008-04-18T20:45+00:00

zink wrote:I dont believe in carrying a handgun if a taser can do the same thing.

Why would you need to "shoot" someone 15 feet away? Seems to me if you are shooting someone more than 15 feet away it wouldnt be considered "self defense" anymore and more on the lines of murder on your part. (Circumstances different of course such as rampages...)

Quite obviously, a taser does not do the same thing as a handgun. Secondly, i would rather stop a would be assailant 25-50 yards away from me then wait until they're 15 feet away...

Guns are only as irresponsible or dangerous as the people that carry them.

I know you were being serious, but the "rampages" comment is hilarious.

stldtfan · PostApr 18, 2008#4172008-04-18T20:51+00:00

STLgasm wrote:I am surprised that there are no security cameras in the garage???

There are cameras mounted outside. I am sure some new discussions will open up ideas of cameras inside.

"IF" this is a "non random" crime, I am afraid there would have been no way to stop it. People who do not value innocent human life are animalistic in their thought process and will not let anything stop them. Cameras would have helped document and provide proof in a trial, but would not have prevented anything.

the central scrutinizer · PostApr 18, 2008#4182008-04-18T22:21+00:00

Urban Elitist wrote:A resident of this building told me it was a lover's quarrel. Any truth to this?

Wouldn't surprise me. It is statistically likely that the victim knew the assailant. Everyone is asking how the murderer got in the building, but I've heard no one ask how the victim got in. He didn't live there. According to early reports, he "may have known someone in the building". I would suggest that the person he "may have known" is suspect #1.

Urban Elitist wrote:BTW why didn't the police do a better job keeping this quiet, how did the press find out? Pretty sloppy.

You really don't know? For one thing, the press has police scanners. For another, they have police sources.

urban elitist · PostApr 18, 2008#4192008-04-18T23:20+00:00

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:You really don't know? For one thing, the press has police scanners. For another, they have police sources.

I thought the police now encrypt all transissions so people with scanners can't just listen in. Also, I personally know of at least 3 incidents that the police kept quiet so I don't think the scanners help the press.

I think maybe they have a few moles in the department though, that could be how they got wind of this event. If someone at the Ventana called the press....well that was just stupid.

downtown2007 · PostApr 18, 2008#4202008-04-18T23:54+00:00

Urban Elitist, I am all for keeping negative stuff that happens downtown out of the newpaper and TV. But it is kind of hard to do when you have 10 cop cars, 2 ambulance's, gobs of people standing outside, and 3 major media outlets just blocks away. Just some rational thinking on my part.

innov8ion · PostApr 19, 2008#4212008-04-19T00:22+00:00

The DSLRA President wrote:Our Public Affairs Officer Robert Lang called me this afternoon to touch base about the tragic shooting that occured yesterday afternoon. At this point they are working hard to try to find some more definate leads. It appears to have been a random occurence. It is especially infuriating when one of our neighbors becomes the victim of a senseless violent crime. I asked if there was anything we could do as a community and he said was that they are looking into it and if you see anything suspicious to always call 911 immediately.

Our hearts goes out to the victim, their family and friends. If anyone hears of anything we can do as a group to be of some support please feel free to contact one of our board members.

Sincerely,

Rachel Kraus

2008 President of the DSLRA

the central scrutinizer · PostApr 19, 2008#4222008-04-19T04:31+00:00

Urban Elitist wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:You really don't know? For one thing, the press has police scanners. For another, they have police sources.
I thought the police now encrypt all transissions so people with scanners can't just listen in. Also, I personally know of at least 3 incidents that the police kept quiet so I don't think the scanners help the press.

I think maybe they have a few moles in the department though, that could be how they got wind of this event. If someone at the Ventana called the press....well that was just stupid.

Sometimes, the police and the press can keep things private, if one has enough money.

chrisindowntown · PostApr 22, 2008#4232008-04-22T12:34+00:00

I got that email from the DT Partnership as well, but still do not buy the randomness. Heard from a semi-reliable source that it was indeed a lover's quarral. Husband and wife living together. Wife cheating on husband with the out of town guy. Husband shot the victim. Anyone else hearing anything like this? Don't mean to keep passing rumors but there are a lot of questions out there...

innov8ion · PostApr 22, 2008#4242008-04-22T13:02+00:00

^ Good to hear. I don't buy that it was random either. And I don't feel any more at risk before that shooting than after. I feel safe downtown.

funone108 · PostApr 22, 2008#4252008-04-22T13:09+00:00

innov8ion wrote:^ Good to hear. I don't buy that it was random either. And I don't feel any more at risk before that shooting than after. I feel safe downtown.

I agree. I am not going to let this incident make me live in fear. I think it was a crime of passion, and that little bubble keeps me enveloped in a warm and fuzzy feeling no hard facts will erase. I have lived across from a club where shootings happen right in front of my building every other weekend for the last two years. Haven't been shot yet...

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