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Post12:07 AM - 18 days ago#7826

STLAPTS wrote:
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oakangeles wrote:
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So, maybe I'm overreaching here, but considering the scope of ideas that forumers have here for the future of the city and now the access to AI imaging which I've seen on display, has anyone ever proposed teaming up to make a comprehensive plan for the ideal future of Downtown?  Honestly it feels like you all could do a better job creating a vision of the possible future of things than the City and definitely the state. At the very least, it would be a good chance to compile all the ideas that people have had here into one place.  I'm thinking something like the Burnham Plan for Chicago.  Something aspirational but rooted in the desire to overcome current problems that everyone sees holding Downtown back from future growth.  

I have an idea in mind of how to structure it, and if I can get 12 or more people involved I'd be down to start a new thread about it either here in the Retail, Restaurant & Business Dev or Urban Living Category. It's basically just what everyone is proposing on the forum anyway, but building toward a final cohesive blueprint.  
Checkout the Minneapolis 2040 plan.  It did a good job helping MPLS grow strategically.  Specifically downtown.  Downtown has more than 60k residents the 12th most in a US downtown.  20 years ago it had significantly more surface parking than downtown STL.  
Awesome, I'll give that a read!  I did check out a land use plan for St Louis that I think was put in place last year that involved what neighborhoods would be geared to what purpose etc.  but it would be nice to see something more visual for people to grasp onto as well.  Obviously getting into the nitty gritty is crucial, but sometimes being able to create a grand vision to get people enthusiastic is important too

Edit.  After even just a short skimming of that plan, it looks like a great model for what I was thinking! I appreciate the recommendation

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Post12:47 AM - 18 days ago#7827

oakangeles wrote:
11:34 PM - 18 days ago
So, maybe I'm overreaching here, but considering the scope of ideas that forumers have here for the future of the city and now the access to AI imaging which I've seen on display, has anyone ever proposed teaming up to make a comprehensive plan for the ideal future of Downtown?  Honestly it feels like you all could do a better job creating a vision of the possible future of things than the City and definitely the state. At the very least, it would be a good chance to compile all the ideas that people have had here into one place.  I'm thinking something like the Burnham Plan for Chicago.  Something aspirational but rooted in the desire to overcome current problems that everyone sees holding Downtown back from future growth.  

I have an idea in mind of how to structure it, and if I can get 12 or more people involved I'd be down to start a new thread about it either here in the Retail, Restaurant & Business Dev or Urban Living Category. It's basically just what everyone is proposing on the forum anyway, but building toward a final cohesive blueprint.  
As said before, I'm on board for this! Looking forward to see where this goes!

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Post2:06 AM - 18 days ago#7828

oakangeles wrote:
11:34 PM - 18 days ago
So, maybe I'm overreaching here, but considering the scope of ideas that forumers have here for the future of the city and now the access to AI imaging which I've seen on display, has anyone ever proposed teaming up to make a comprehensive plan for the ideal future of Downtown?  Honestly it feels like you all could do a better job creating a vision of the possible future of things than the City and definitely the state. At the very least, it would be a good chance to compile all the ideas that people have had here into one place.  I'm thinking something like the Burnham Plan for Chicago.  Something aspirational but rooted in the desire to overcome current problems that everyone sees holding Downtown back from future growth.  

I have an idea in mind of how to structure it, and if I can get 12 or more people involved I'd be down to start a new thread about it either here in the Retail, Restaurant & Business Dev or Urban Living Category. It's basically just what everyone is proposing on the forum anyway, but building toward a final cohesive blueprint.  
We have one, it’s called Design Downtown
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... TL_web.pdf

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Post2:19 AM - 18 days ago#7829

^^^Thank you, going to give it a read right now

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Post2:33 AM - 18 days ago#7830

Hurry, someone write me a check for .... maybe $70M. I'll buy the garages and make it happen. I'm thinking one corner retail space will be Imo's. The other corner is Ted Drews. Open STL Style downtown branch. Build-a-bear.  Clementine's. 

*not including the park*


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Post11:01 AM - 18 days ago#7831

dbInSouthCity wrote:
2:06 AM - 18 days ago
oakangeles wrote:
11:34 PM - 18 days ago
So, maybe I'm overreaching here, but considering the scope of ideas that forumers have here for the future of the city and now the access to AI imaging which I've seen on display, has anyone ever proposed teaming up to make a comprehensive plan for the ideal future of Downtown?  Honestly it feels like you all could do a better job creating a vision of the possible future of things than the City and definitely the state. At the very least, it would be a good chance to compile all the ideas that people have had here into one place.  I'm thinking something like the Burnham Plan for Chicago.  Something aspirational but rooted in the desire to overcome current problems that everyone sees holding Downtown back from future growth.  

I have an idea in mind of how to structure it, and if I can get 12 or more people involved I'd be down to start a new thread about it either here in the Retail, Restaurant & Business Dev or Urban Living Category. It's basically just what everyone is proposing on the forum anyway, but building toward a final cohesive blueprint.  
We have one, it’s called Design Downtown
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... TL_web.pdf
Yeah and yet completely ignored for Tucker.  So what was even the point of this exercise?

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Post11:35 AM - 18 days ago#7832

bwcrow1s wrote:
11:01 AM - 18 days ago
dbInSouthCity wrote:
2:06 AM - 18 days ago
oakangeles wrote:
11:34 PM - 18 days ago
So, maybe I'm overreaching here, but considering the scope of ideas that forumers have here for the future of the city and now the access to AI imaging which I've seen on display, has anyone ever proposed teaming up to make a comprehensive plan for the ideal future of Downtown?  Honestly it feels like you all could do a better job creating a vision of the possible future of things than the City and definitely the state. At the very least, it would be a good chance to compile all the ideas that people have had here into one place.  I'm thinking something like the Burnham Plan for Chicago.  Something aspirational but rooted in the desire to overcome current problems that everyone sees holding Downtown back from future growth.  

I have an idea in mind of how to structure it, and if I can get 12 or more people involved I'd be down to start a new thread about it either here in the Retail, Restaurant & Business Dev or Urban Living Category. It's basically just what everyone is proposing on the forum anyway, but building toward a final cohesive blueprint.  
We have one, it’s called Design Downtown
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... TL_web.pdf
Yeah and yet completely ignored for Tucker.  So what was even the point of this exercise?
Tucker was designed before the plan was finished

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I just get results
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Post1:01 PM - 17 days ago#7834

Here are some ideas         https://californiaforever.com/

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Post3:35 PM - 16 days ago#7835

dbInSouthCity wrote:
11:35 AM - 18 days ago
bwcrow1s wrote:
11:01 AM - 18 days ago
dbInSouthCity wrote:
2:06 AM - 18 days ago

We have one, it’s called Design Downtown
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... TL_web.pdf
Yeah and yet completely ignored for Tucker.  So what was even the point of this exercise?
Tucker was designed before the plan was finished
You're telling me that in between design downtown which was adopted in 2020, and the approval of federal grants in 2021, there was no consideration of every pivoting, with the original desired date of construction proposed for another two years in 2023 (and delayed until 2026), there was no thought of ever actually utilizing the design downtown plan?

So the plan just sat and collected dust for 5+ years and did nothing for this plan.  No one read it? No one had an inkling to look back at it?

Disappointing.  Shouldn't this plan be on everyone's desk when thinking about any sort of streetscape project in Downtown?

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Post7:46 PM - 16 days ago#7836

City suing the SLMPD board may cause the downtown incentive bill to fall apart in the senate. Then the domino effect of that locally could be a big setback

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Post9:02 PM - 16 days ago#7837

Why would it fall apart? Just out of spite on the part of the senators?

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Post9:28 PM - 16 days ago#7838

framer wrote:Why would it fall apart? Just out of spite on the part of the senators?
Yes, they hate you and want you to die.

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Post1:00 AM - 16 days ago#7839

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... newal.html

Lewis Rice is looking to extend their lease at 600 Washington, which expires in the summer, where they occupy 7 floors. They already renewed their lease at their other office in Town and Country.

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Post2:45 PM - 14 days ago#7840

The planners dreamed of gleaming cities. Instead they brought three generations of hollowed-out downtowns and flight to the suburbs. 

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-bills-that-destroyed-urban-america

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Post12:07 AM - 14 days ago#7841

StlAlex wrote:
1:00 AM - 16 days ago
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... newal.html

Lewis Rice is looking to extend their lease at 600 Washington, which expires in the summer, where they occupy 7 floors. They already renewed their lease at their other office in Town and Country.

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This is a forgone conclusion, they’ve been working on a e tax break for a while

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Post4:26 PM - 13 days ago#7842

BarryGlick wrote:
2:45 PM - 14 days ago
The planners dreamed of gleaming cities. Instead they brought three generations of hollowed-out downtowns and flight to the suburbs. 

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-bills-that-destroyed-urban-america
Very good, thanks for sharing. This one is even better, looking at the various federal tax policies related to housing: 

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicat ... ream-house

It won't matter how much we increase supply if each and every new home is first and foremost a financial asset available to the highest bidder, which often means (a) corporate buyers paying cash, or (b) whomever can access and service the largest tax-subsidized mortgage. Limit all of these federal tax breaks to a single, owner-occupied primary dwelling and it will begin de-financializing the housing market making homes more affordable for working stiffs.

This will never happen, because our political system is fundamentally broken.

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Post10:32 PM - 11 days ago#7843

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ayton.html

Littler Mendelson, a labor law firm, has moved from 600 Washington downtown to Clayton's Sevens Building. They leased about 6,000 square feet and have 13 attorneys based in St. Louis.

600 Washington is now only ahout 53% occupied.

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Post11:02 PM - 11 days ago#7844

StlAlex wrote:
10:32 PM - 11 days ago
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ayton.html

Littler Mendelson, a labor law firm, has moved from 600 Washington downtown to Clayton's Sevens Building. They leased about 6,000 square feet and have 13 attorneys based in St. Louis.

600 Washington is now only ahout 53% occupied.

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Actual news value aside, you could not write a more "St. Louis Business Journal"-coded headline. 

"Labor law firm joins companies exiting downtown for Clayton"


That'll get all kinds of clicks from their suburban subscriber base.

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Post12:13 AM - 11 days ago#7845

StlAlex wrote:
10:32 PM - 11 days ago
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ayton.html

Littler Mendelson, a labor law firm, has moved from 600 Washington downtown to Clayton's Sevens Building. They leased about 6,000 square feet and have 13 attorneys based in St. Louis.

600 Washington is now only ahout 53% occupied.

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I don't get why the business community in the greater stl area is so anti city??? is this just a Midwest thing in general? When these exces go on trips to other cities do they think. " man being able to walk to these restaurants and amenities is really nice I would hate if I could do this in my city"

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Post1:07 AM - 11 days ago#7846

i,Iive,to,draw wrote:
StlAlex wrote:
10:32 PM - 11 days ago
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ayton.html

Littler Mendelson, a labor law firm, has moved from 600 Washington downtown to Clayton's Sevens Building. They leased about 6,000 square feet and have 13 attorneys based in St. Louis.

600 Washington is now only ahout 53% occupied.

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I don't get why the business community in the greater stl area is so anti city??? is this just a Midwest thing in general? When these exces go on trips to other cities do they think. " man being able to walk to these restaurants and amenities is really nice I would hate if I could do this in my city"
It's a city county divide thing. No other city, certainly of our size, has a 2nd major downtown like St. Louis does. In every other city, there isn't another dense urban area with a decent amount of amenities and infrastructure to relocate to. They're forced to double down on "downtown" and make it better while here they can just leave and wash their hands of the problems they're making worse.

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Post1:25 AM - 11 days ago#7847

Q1 Office comparisons (CBRE): Downtown (metro), how many downtown leases in Q1

Cleveland: 26% (20.2%)
Cincinnati: 24.4% (21%)
Pittsburgh: 19.5% (17.6%)
Kansas City: 21.1% (17.4%)
Indianapolis: 23.1% (20.2%)
Columbus: 23.3% (20%)
Nashville: 19.7% (18.2%)

St. Louis: 29.5% (21.5%)*

(*) Downtown was not separate from the city, meaning St. Louis' number for downtown is likely much lower than the actual vacancy.

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Post1:56 AM - 11 days ago#7848

StlAlex wrote:
1:07 AM - 11 days ago
i,Iive,to,draw wrote:
StlAlex wrote:
10:32 PM - 11 days ago
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ayton.html

Littler Mendelson, a labor law firm, has moved from 600 Washington downtown to Clayton's Sevens Building. They leased about 6,000 square feet and have 13 attorneys based in St. Louis.

600 Washington is now only ahout 53% occupied.

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I don't get why the business community in the greater stl area is so anti city??? is this just a Midwest thing in general? When these exces go on trips to other cities do they think. " man being able to walk to these restaurants and amenities is really nice I would hate if I could do this in my city"
It's a city county divide thing. No other city, certainly of our size, has a 2nd major downtown like St. Louis does. In every other city, there isn't another dense urban area with a decent amount of amenities and infrastructure to relocate to. They're forced to double down on "downtown" and make it better while here they can just leave and wash their hands of the problems they're making worse.

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So the typical American attitude of "its not my problem that is someone else job"

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Post2:08 AM - 11 days ago#7849

StlAlex wrote:
1:07 AM - 11 days ago
i,Iive,to,draw wrote:
StlAlex wrote:
10:32 PM - 11 days ago
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ayton.html

Littler Mendelson, a labor law firm, has moved from 600 Washington downtown to Clayton's Sevens Building. They leased about 6,000 square feet and have 13 attorneys based in St. Louis.

600 Washington is now only ahout 53% occupied.

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I don't get why the business community in the greater stl area is so anti city??? is this just a Midwest thing in general? When these exces go on trips to other cities do they think. " man being able to walk to these restaurants and amenities is really nice I would hate if I could do this in my city"
It's a city county divide thing. No other city, certainly of our size, has a 2nd major downtown like St. Louis does. In every other city, there isn't another dense urban area with a decent amount of amenities and infrastructure to relocate to. They're forced to double down on "downtown" and make it better while here they can just leave and wash their hands of the problems they're making worse.

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What do you consider a similar size metro?  

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Post2:46 AM - 11 days ago#7850

STLAPTS wrote:
StlAlex wrote:
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i,Iive,to,draw wrote: I don't get why the business community in the greater stl area is so anti city??? is this just a Midwest thing in general? When these exces go on trips to other cities do they think. " man being able to walk to these restaurants and amenities is really nice I would hate if I could do this in my city"
It's a city county divide thing. No other city, certainly of our size, has a 2nd major downtown like St. Louis does. In every other city, there isn't another dense urban area with a decent amount of amenities and infrastructure to relocate to. They're forced to double down on "downtown" and make it better while here they can just leave and wash their hands of the problems they're making worse.

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What do you consider a similar size metro?  
The cities I listed above in the office comparison are the cities I think STL can be directly compared to.

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