While we are negotiating with UP we should see what they want to let go of the Oak Hill ROW that goes through South City. Would make a great rail-trail bike highway AND OR Metrolink alignment. Ideally both.
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That track is still very much in useGoHarvOrGoHome wrote:While we are negotiating with UP we should see what they want to let go of the Oak Hill ROW that goes through South City. Would make a great rail-trail bike highway AND OR Metrolink alignment. Ideally both.
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^Most importantly, by Amtrak's Texas Eagle back and forth each day. That's how they make the station work as a pull through.
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Yes the corridor is still in use, but the needed space for a greenway could be bought or leased from UP. Its called a "rail with trail" and there are countless examples of such trails in the US with leases in rail ROW. That said, I have to think it wouldn't take much for UP to move all frieght and commuter rail traffic over to their riverfront corridor. Heavy rail through south city just doesn't make sense anymore, and that space could be MUCH better utilized. https://nextstl.com/2024/01/rail-trail-imagining-a-greenway-through-the-heart-of-stl/Miss Shell wrote: ↑Oct 10, 2024That track is still very much in useGoHarvOrGoHome wrote:While we are negotiating with UP we should see what they want to let go of the Oak Hill ROW that goes through South City. Would make a great rail-trail bike highway AND OR Metrolink alignment. Ideally both.
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Since the pandemic, when office workers pulled out of downtown en masse, the neighborhood had struggled with streets that were all too empty when they weren’t filled with visitors bent on mayhem.
so tired of the sensationalism from certain local media folks.
anyway, while i'm happy that Mr. Oliver is so bullish on DT, i can't help but feel aprehensive about one company owning so much of it...
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Apologies if this has been posted already.
Why Alex Oliver is doubling down on downtown St. Louis
Oliver Properties has purchased five buildings on Wash Ave in the last year—and has six more under contract.
by Sarah Fenske
October 10, 2024
From the rooftop deck of the 6 Cord building, Alex Oliver is flying high.
Alex Oliver knows that buying buildings in downtown St. Louis in the year 2024 might sound nuts. It certainly runs counter to what other investors are doing.
“Pretty much every building is for sale,” he says. “Everyone wants out.” Not Oliver Properties. Instead, Oliver is banking on the idea that purchasing multiple properties on the same block presents a unique opportunity to shape that block’s future—and maybe even the future of downtown. If nothing else, he says, it’s a good time for a bold move: “The big advantage I have, I’m the only person buying.”
https://www.stlmag.com/news/why-alex-ol ... -st-louis/
Why Alex Oliver is doubling down on downtown St. Louis
Oliver Properties has purchased five buildings on Wash Ave in the last year—and has six more under contract.
by Sarah Fenske
October 10, 2024
From the rooftop deck of the 6 Cord building, Alex Oliver is flying high.
Alex Oliver knows that buying buildings in downtown St. Louis in the year 2024 might sound nuts. It certainly runs counter to what other investors are doing.
“Pretty much every building is for sale,” he says. “Everyone wants out.” Not Oliver Properties. Instead, Oliver is banking on the idea that purchasing multiple properties on the same block presents a unique opportunity to shape that block’s future—and maybe even the future of downtown. If nothing else, he says, it’s a good time for a bold move: “The big advantage I have, I’m the only person buying.”
https://www.stlmag.com/news/why-alex-ol ... -st-louis/
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I wish him luck. The momentum in STL is real right now and I hope it spills over to downtown at a rapid, tangible pace. Everyone i talk to in STL can feel it. It’s happening.
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The momentum is very real and I think that St. Louis is indeed catching onto it...
...but there are plenty of people who are not of this mind.
I still can't believe that Elliott Davis just posted a video of Chouteau's Landing on Facebook the other day, asking why St. Louis struggles to do anything with its riverfront while peer cities have managed it.
There was no mention whatsoever of Gateway South, a $1.2 billion development, and the comments section was ugly.
And even just going around town and talking to people, it's still clear to me that the news of St. Louis' renaissance has not hit every doorstep.
...but there are plenty of people who are not of this mind.
I still can't believe that Elliott Davis just posted a video of Chouteau's Landing on Facebook the other day, asking why St. Louis struggles to do anything with its riverfront while peer cities have managed it.
There was no mention whatsoever of Gateway South, a $1.2 billion development, and the comments section was ugly.
And even just going around town and talking to people, it's still clear to me that the news of St. Louis' renaissance has not hit every doorstep.
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Is he the fool with the idiotic “You Paid For It” show? Low rent John Stossell
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Idiot Davis has long chased headlines and ignored the obvious. Shame he is still doing so in retirement
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I consider what he did to be a cheap shot. I refuse to believe that he is not aware of Gateway South.
He acted like he was filming massive derelict buildings without a plan -- or hope.
He acted like he was filming massive derelict buildings without a plan -- or hope.
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Nice! Every move like this helps. I'm more for the people presence than the taxes.
Crazy how few employees AT&T has remaining in St. Louis. Southwestern Bell is truly just a memory at this point.
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I am confused - didn't AT&T move all its employees to Dallas or were planning to?
No. They moved their headquarters and a large % of their employees from here to Dallas, but they still have plenty here.stlurbanist wrote: ↑Oct 12, 2024I am confused - didn't AT&T move all its employees to Dallas or were planning to?
They still own and occupy 1010 Pine Street and 801 Chestnut. When they vacated AT&T Center, they spent some $4 million on upgrades to 1010 Pine since that's where they were moving employees. Can't be sure how much they occupy of it, but an extra 200 will fit inside comfortably.
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^ thank you for that. are they mostly information technology folks - that will be good for the downtown.
^ I think and more nuanced history, if I got it right, is that Southwest Bell used to be HQ in St. Louis and then moved to San Antonio, TX (the country club snub is the story I get from my wife). Then, after a spate of Bell mergers the company then bought AT&T but proceeded and kept the more recognizable AT&T name. What most people probably don't understand is that AT&T as a smaller long distance and cell phone company was bought out. At that point the new AT&T moved its HQ from San Antonio to Dallas passing up the likes of Atlanta, St. Louis and a few former Bell HQs,.
Since then a couple big changes, AT&T did a major property downsize such as selling 909 Chestnut, where my wife use to work, as well as a number of major regional offices. ATT sold their Northern California regional office in San Ramon, my wife's current office, back to the Bishop Ranch developer and has rented a lot less space since. The next big thing has been the last two years were there is more consolidation going on with some specific departments and offices jobs are being moved from regional offices to either Dallas, our future home, and or Atlanta.
ATT still keeping a fair share of employees in regional offices but my wife had a number of St. Louis co worker jobs are being moved to Dallas as well. The jobs are moving so have the choice of moving on your own dime and or calling it quits. None the less, nice to see ATT consolidating remaining St. Louis jobs back to downtown and believe that is trend for most of their metro areas they have presence in. But also bitter sweet for some.
Since then a couple big changes, AT&T did a major property downsize such as selling 909 Chestnut, where my wife use to work, as well as a number of major regional offices. ATT sold their Northern California regional office in San Ramon, my wife's current office, back to the Bishop Ranch developer and has rented a lot less space since. The next big thing has been the last two years were there is more consolidation going on with some specific departments and offices jobs are being moved from regional offices to either Dallas, our future home, and or Atlanta.
ATT still keeping a fair share of employees in regional offices but my wife had a number of St. Louis co worker jobs are being moved to Dallas as well. The jobs are moving so have the choice of moving on your own dime and or calling it quits. None the less, nice to see ATT consolidating remaining St. Louis jobs back to downtown and believe that is trend for most of their metro areas they have presence in. But also bitter sweet for some.
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not a surprise to me similar to what amazon is doing - voluntary layoffs.
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Hopefully they are able to invest in the space a little more than Farina's was. I had a hard time trusting how "upscale" of a steakhouse it was while the front awning was falling apart.