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CG91 wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2021

With the Cardinals/Cubs game, Q in the Lou, and some big convention at the dome tonight, downtown was already buzzing on my way back home from work


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dbInSouthCity wrote:There was a 20,000 person conference. It was some kinda of self help group for self employment people. it was bizarre, almost like a cult. Almost everyone was very young.

It’s so vague. https://www.ltdhq.com/about/

SeattleNative wrote: ↑

Oct 04, 2021

dbInSouthCity wrote: It’s so vague. https://www.ltdhq.com/about/

If it’s vague like that, it’s usually an MLM/Cult

I was involved in *****/ LTD back in 2018 and I have noticed a lot of recruitment in my area, so I wanted to leave a review/ warning to anyone thinking of joining Leadership Team Development and *****. For legal purposes, I will say that the following is MY OPINION and experience/ observations while I was in *****/LTD. Like MANY others have said, this "training group" is full of master manipulators and straight up con artists. While the ***** business model may be "legal" in the eyes of the government, it's still a thinly veiled pyramid scheme. The ***** just has connections to the political parties who help MLM's stay legal via loopholes and such. Leadership Team Development is ran like one big CULT! The uplines will use fake Christianity to convince you that becoming rich and materialistic is something God wants you to do. Just the gross use of religion to scam people is disgusting and wrong. They also promote an "US VS THEM" mentality in regards to people who are skeptical of the ***** and LTD business model. The uplines and diamonds openly mock people who leave the "business" calling them losers, broke minded, dream stealers etc. It's all done to shame those who might about leaving. If you do wake up and realize this is a scam and leave, those "friendships" that you have with uplines and others in the group quickly disappear. They only "care" about you as long as your pouring money into the tool scam ( buying books, audios, LTD app subscription, ***** product ditto purchases and conference tickets). Not to mention, uplines want control over not just your money, but EVERY aspect of your life. I personally saw downlines not buying food or groceries at the request of upline. They wanted them to eat ***** meal bars and only spend money on ***** and LTD stuff. Many uplines also want you to ask "permission" to do things like dating, marriage, buying a house or car etc. The want you to get their advice on all those things (which is usually self serving). Also, while LTD claims the books, audios, and conferences are optional, many uplines will pressure downline to buy into the tool scam. If not, they will shame or threaten downline by saying they won't "mentor" them anymore. All this is done so that uplines and anyone above you in the group makes money while you make VERY little ( 5-10 dollars) or most likely none at all (AKA Pyramid scheme). You WILL lose more money than you will make in this "business". I hope that if ***** continues into the years, they really do something about these training groups like LTD and *** and modify their business model. Then maybe the business will be a better opportunity for people interested in these kind of things.

Ebsy wrote: ↑

Oct 05, 2021

Unfortunately when a cult writes a check, it usually clears. Not too different from the big Jehovah's Witnesses conventions that have been held in St. Louis.

OnTheEdge wrote: ↑

Oct 07, 2021

^I have to admit I chuckled a bit when they described Brad Waldrop as "a developer who owns parking lots downtown"...    Not the most flattering title to be given...