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PostMar 11, 2005#26

But city zoning czars stopped the show, saying the proposed signs....... violate city sign regs, specifically a section that states no downtown sign shall "flash, blink, fluctuate or be animated."
Houston has a rigid sign code for its downtown as well. While I do understand the need to regulate signage so that it doesn't get too crazy, the city has to allow some elbow room. Look at vibrant streets in downtown Chicago, New York, SF. There's flashing and blinking all over the place. It gives you the feeling of being in an live place.



Downtown St. Louis' liveliness is not dependent on flashing, blinking signage, but if not too gaudy, I think animated signage could add to the vibrancy as well as boost the image of downtown as an alive place.



Cleveland's theatre district, Playhouse Square, has some nice animated signage.

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PostMar 11, 2005#27

I agree, it's all in how it is done. I think signage is a very good thing for cities all across America. It's just fun too look at, and provides a sense that things are going on in that area. If I may use a metaphor for a moment, the flashing and blinking and bright lights are sort of like a beating heart. They show life.

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PostMar 11, 2005#28

brickandmortar wrote:This is about as dumb as the rule that won't allow buildings taller than the Arch.
LOL!! I agree. I love the Arch, no doubt. I think respecting the height of it is more about giving visitors to the top an unobstructed view to the west since the structure is about commemorating westward expansion.



Solution: Build taller towers to the immediate north and south of the viewing windows like they have done with newer towers anyway.



I know this is off topic, but I thought I'd address it real quick.



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PostMar 11, 2005#29

I cant find where the sign regs say signs in DT "cant flash, blink, fluctuate or be animated" I did see that phrase used in relation to political signs, but it was city wide not DT specific. Can anyone show me otherwise? Deb Peterson are you out there?



Now, this sign may have been turned down because of its size, but again, I dont know whatt the Roberts brothers proposed. I did see in the building permits that it cost $125,000. That sounds like a nice sign :)



Arch City- Houston doesnt have zoning so I guess it uses a strong sign regulation (along with deed restrictions) to regulate land use. But I agree flashy, blinky signs when done well are a great assest to a city street. BTW as defined in the zoning code "animated" means physically moving not the lights flashing.



Lastly, you are all refering to a 'gentlemans agreement' and not a written rule when talking about not building higher than the arch. correct?

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PostMar 11, 2005#30

There is a certain area downtown within a few blocks in all directions of the Arch that can not have buildings taller than the Arch, but not all of downtown or the city like is commonly believed. Outside of that is just a gentlemen's agreement, which if someone doesn't do it before me, I plan to build higher (assuming alot) just on the principle that it should be broken. I remember the Post had a map one time with the area outlined, but I can't remember exactly how far it went. I don't think it went past like 7th, maybe even closer on the west side. It goes further north and south than it does west.

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PostMar 12, 2005#31

Here is a logo for the new theatre I found by accident on TicketMaster's website:




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Not totally in awe here...



A nice marquee would be sweet. A little neon on washinton ave has gone a long way...

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PostMar 14, 2005#33

I thought I'd upload these photos to showcase signage in New York's Time Square area. I took these last summer during a tour of Manhattan.



The first two pictures feature a billboard of St. Louis' own native daughter and supermodel, Kimora Lee Simmons (Baby Phat Clothing). She is married to entertainment mogul Russell Simmons.



























Notice the area's colorfulness. Some of this might be a bit too much (size and design wise) for St. Louis, but modified versions would liven up downtown. I would love to see something similar to the NASDAQ sign near the financial district (Market St.).

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PostMar 14, 2005#34

A new marquee will soon be going up on the Roberts Orpheum Theater. The flashy design is not permitted under the current zoning code but a variance has been supported by Alderwoman PhyllisYoung, Downtown Now and us. It is not expected to have any problems.



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PostMar 14, 2005#35

MattnSTL wrote:A new marquee will soon be going up on the Roberts Orpheum Theater. The flashy design is not permitted under the current zoning code but a variance has been supported by Alderwoman PhyllisYoung, Downtown Now and us. It is not expected to have any problems.



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This is pretty much what I had expected would happen when the article mentioned a hearing was scheduled regarding the matter.

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PostMar 15, 2005#36

I went to High School with Kimora. An ariel pic was posted in the Photography thread of our school.



I dont want to keep beating a dead horse if no one wants to engage in this discussion, but... where does it say flashy design is not permitted DT?? Is the varience for "flashy" or is the varience for the signs size? And does is there a photo or drawing of the proposed sign?



I'll leave it at that unless someone wants to discuss further.

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PostMar 28, 2005#37

The Roberts Orpheum Theater

Grand Opening and Ribbon Cutting

Wednesday, April 6th at 4:00 PM



Roberts Orpheum Theater

416 North 9th Street at St. Charles Street

St. Louis, MO 63101



Call 314-588-0388 for more information

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PostMar 29, 2005#38

So I was in DT on easter, swung by city grocers to get some flowers for the lady, and out of curiosity drove by the Orpheum...IS that the new marquee, with the running lights white lights and all, or do they just have the old one illumionated. I was stoked to see it lit, and by no means is it bad looking (slightly uncolorful) but as I thought about it, I kinda felt like it was the old one...



Any one know?

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PostMar 29, 2005#39

The old one was off the building when I was down there last Monday, so maybe it is the new one. I plan to be dt tommorrow, so I will take a look.

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PostMar 29, 2005#40

Gotta be the new one then! Like I said, It looks pretty good, and I like the chasing lights...just wish there was more color...

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PostMar 29, 2005#41

I was downtown, but I completely forgot to look at the sign. I would assume it was the new one though. I will look tommorrow again.

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PostMar 29, 2005#42

Here it is;

It looks better with the flashing of all the lights and the scrolling marque in person. Really brings Downtown a theatre district feel.

I like the rehab job... I guess the "American" parts of the marquee will still be replaced.


















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PostMar 30, 2005#43

They must have resolved the "flashing sign" problem. That thing caught my eye from Washington Ave!

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PostApr 01, 2005#44

Roberts Orpheum is finding its niche

By Tavia Evans

Of the Post-Dispatch

03/31/2005





The renovated Roberts Orpheum will host at least one third of its events as private parties, a departure from past years.

(KEVIN MANNING /P-D)




The sign still reads American Theatre, but the blinking marquee on the Roberts Orpheum Theater indicates that downtown's newest venue is open for business.



The Roberts Orpheum will make its official debut April 10, with popular 1990s band the Backstreet Boys.



But it will see plenty of action this weekend, too. Two private parties will work in tandem with the NCAA men's basketball championships. Sporting-goods maker Adidas will sponsor a party there tonight, and former Blues hockey player Tony Twist will take over the space Saturday.



The private events will become part of the theater's permanent operating strategy to turn a profit. In fact, 75 percent of the events won't be open to the public: Weddings, corporate events and private parties already have been booked through much of this year.



Other area performance theaters are taking the same route, booking a mix of activities to stay financially solvent.



The Blanche M. Touhill Performing Arts Center at the University of Missouri at St. Louis announced it will decrease its roster of acts to 22 this year from 32 in 2004, its first year in operation. The expense of bigger, Broadway-style shows last year drained profits and yielded lower ticket sales, said Dixie Kohn, vice chancellor of university relations, who also manages the center.



This year, the center will have more student-sponsored events, speakers series and some Big Band acts, including the Duke Ellington Band and the Glenn Miller Orchestra.



About 95 percent of the events at the Pageant are public concerts and parties, but the theater on Delmar Boulevard also is the site for private events. The venue seats about 1,500, but tables and chairs can be removed to pack in 2,300 for a rock or hip-hop concert.



The Roberts Orpheum joins the theater scene with an interior makeover and a diverse lineup of acts targeted toward a 30-something crowd. "If the Pageant is the theater for the kids, then the Roberts Orpheum is for their parents, said Mike Roberts, who co-owns the theater with his brother Steve.



The theater, built in 1917, originally was a vaudeville house and later a movie theater. The Robertses bought the building in January 2004 and have pumped about $2.25 million into it for renovations. The entire building was rewired for electricity, and lighting fixtures were replaced.



New roll-away theater seats have been installed on the main level, adding space for more cabaret-style seating or open areas for standing-room-only concerts.



The bathrooms have been redone, with additional sink space and mahogany woodworking, designed by the Roberts Co.'s custom furniture division.



The lobby and box office are getting a good scrub, too. Colored friezes, gargoyles and art-deco moldings had been hidden under nearly 22 years of dust; the original terrazzo-tiled floor and leaf trimming will also see updates. The 80-year-old elevator is still in operation, complete with a gold-hued grating fence and elevator lever.



The 2005 season lineup will be just as flexible as the seating: Backstreet Boys, April 10; Bill Maher, May 20; Spyro Gyra, June 9. Three weddings are planned in June, and the Seventh Day Adventists will have a film festival in July.



"We're marketing the theater to be many things to everyone, from cabaret-style to an intimate theater setting and concerts," said Michael Jennings, general manager.



That's a good strategy, area concert bookers say, allowing the theater to cater to a number of shows and events. The venue also could tie into additional meeting space for the Mayfair, a nearby boutique hotel, also owned by the Roberts Co.



Joe Litvag is vice president of Midwest operations for Anschutz Entertainment Group Live, which has exclusive booking rights for acts at the Roberts Orpheum.



"The Pageant has the nightclub setting, the Fox has the cushy seats and upscale venue with high-dollar performances," he said. "We have an up-close-and-personal setting that you don't get in any other theaters in St. Louis."



That's a niche that promoters say will encourage more touring groups to add St. Louis to their list.



That's how the Roberts Orpheum booked Rob Thomas, a singer from the band Matchbox 20. Initially, he planned to do just 10 to 15 dates across the country, and St. Louis wasn't one of them, Litvag said.



"He's a prime example of a show that wouldn't have come to the market because of theater size," Litvag said, "and with the Orpheum, we convinced him to play here."



Reporter Tavia Evans

E-mail: tevans@post-dispatch.com

Phone: 314-340-8159

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PostApr 07, 2005#45

urbanstlouis wrote:The Roberts Orpheum Theater

Grand Opening and Ribbon Cutting

Wednesday, April 6th at 4:00 PM


Well, Amanda Doyle of The Commonspace Blog went to the grand opening and was less than impressed. The way she described the Roberts Orpheum, it reminded me of how it looked while it was still the American Theatre. Did anyone else go to the grand opening and ribbon cutting?



Here is the entry from The Commonspace:



<A HREF="http://blog.thecommonspace.org/archives/000269.php">The Emperor's Clothes Could at Least Use a Shot of Febreeze</A>



Okay, let's be clear: we heart Downtown. Love the burgeoning street life, Gallery Urbis Orbis, Kitchen K, City Grocers, the Century Building (RIP), Cardinals game days and so on and so on, shobee doobee doo.



But we've got to put the brakes on our enthusiasm a little bit for the latest project, the Roberts Orpheum Theater...



<A HREF="http://blog.thecommonspace.org/archives/000269.php">>>> read more</A>

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PostApr 07, 2005#46

Ouch.

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PostApr 07, 2005#47

eww...

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PostApr 07, 2005#48

urbanstlouis wrote:
urbanstlouis wrote:The Roberts Orpheum Theater

Grand Opening and Ribbon Cutting

Wednesday, April 6th at 4:00 PM


The way she described the Roberts Orpheum, it reminded me of how it looked while it was still the American Theatre.


duh, maybe because it is the American Theatre.

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PostApr 08, 2005#49

courtland wrote:duh, maybe because it is the American Theatre.


I meant the way she described it, the Roberts Orpheum sounded like it is in the same condition now as it was when it closed as the American Theatre.


Crumbly plaster, peeling paint, missing lightbulbs, tarnished brass, broken step nosing, dusty curtains...

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PostApr 08, 2005#50

^that's hard to believe.

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