It's not a bad design, it's just a bit squaty. The developer should consider making this thing 40 floors. To me, somewhere around 350' above the ground starts to feel high. I have been to the top of the Bank of America and it felt high. The top of the 285' Radisson was pretty high, but not real high. Unfortunetely, St. Louis only has the Plaza in Clayton to get a fairly lofty view.
^No, not a BAD design at all, I just wish it's height/width ratio would be addressed. I really think it has too much mass and looks squat, but I am basing this on the rendering. As I said, I'd rather see it built as per rendering than not be built at all. The Park Plaza is also rather squat when viewed E/W, too, but I love that building. Who knows, I may love this one too after its built...
That said, to me the Park East looks more slender than the rendering, so...
That said, to me the Park East looks more slender than the rendering, so...
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Heck i don't really care if it is tall or wide. I just want the downtown area to look like a city with city bloscks and tall buildings making a maze around all of the streets. I want some of Manhattan Island in the city!
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Framer wrote:I think the "too bulky" image is really a factor of the rendering. In real life, I expect this building to just look tall. Its 30 stories, after all!
My comment was based on an appraisal of the ratio of height to width rather than on the rendering. Surely the rendering makes the building look wider that it will be, but the actual ratio does the same.
trent wrote:As for the rising rates, the one market in the economy that has never really slowed was the Real Estate Market. With people getting more and more creative in their financing, they are able to afford more expensive places to live.
There is also the little recognized fact that people now have a greater percentage of their income to spend on housing than in the past. Thanks to globalization, life's essentials cost less, thus people on average have more to spend on things like education and housing -- which is why the prices of both have significantly outpaced inflation...
Arch City wrote:Talked to a guy at Bakewell, Inc. today. He said demolition of the buildings at the proposed Renaissance on Euclid site will begin in June or early July. Then construction would commence.
He said the building is going to be 31-stories.
Don't place a whole lot of stock in anything the realtor tells you. It is his or her job to make you think it is going to happen. Ask them how many units are committed. If the Renaissance happens, it will be either significantly scaled-down or it will be with a co-developer. Not that there is not a market for such a project, I believe there is. I just do not believe Mills has the experience or the capital to make it happen without help. Thus, the lack of information on the project. It is called fishing...
jlblues wrote:If the Renaissance happens, it will be either significantly scaled-down or it will be with a co-developer. Not that there is not a market for such a project, I believe there is. I just do not believe Mills has the experience or the capital to make it happen without help. Thus, the lack of information on the project. It is called fishing...
Wouldn't it be funny if Opus took over this project as well. We could start calling the CWE: Opus Village or Opus Town, or maybe just Opus.
Where does the name Central west end come from anyway?
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Location:
Middle of N/S line of the city-Central...
On the West End of the City.
Neighborhood # 38:
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Middle of N/S line of the city-Central...
On the West End of the City.
Neighborhood # 38:
^Yeah, what TWA said.
Re: Opus. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Opus came into the project as co-developer, especially if the Lindell Condominium project sells out quickly. But, considering how much Opus has on its plate right now, that would probably mean a delay for the Renaissance.
Re: Opus Town. I like it. Hell, if they move their HQ here, they can call it whatever they want. The Central West End brought to you by Opus. Or, how about a joint sponsorship? Opus' Village brought to you by Opus and Berkeley Breathed!
They could put a 10-story statue of Opus on that parking lot on the sw corner of Lindell/Euclid.
Re: Opus. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Opus came into the project as co-developer, especially if the Lindell Condominium project sells out quickly. But, considering how much Opus has on its plate right now, that would probably mean a delay for the Renaissance.
Re: Opus Town. I like it. Hell, if they move their HQ here, they can call it whatever they want. The Central West End brought to you by Opus. Or, how about a joint sponsorship? Opus' Village brought to you by Opus and Berkeley Breathed!
They could put a 10-story statue of Opus on that parking lot on the sw corner of Lindell/Euclid.
I have been following development in St. Louis for years now, and I have communicated with many realtors/developers in the past. Most of them have been forthcoming and their information usually has panned out most of the time. While some projects have slipped through the cracks or were modified, projects like the Lofts at the Highlands, 4545 Lindell, Park East Tower, and countless others have panned out once communicating with the realtor/developer.jlblues wrote:
Don't place a whole lot of stock in anything the realtor tells you. It is his or her job to make you think it is going to happen. Ask them how many units are committed. If the Renaissance happens, it will be either significantly scaled-down or it will be with a co-developer. Not that there is not a market for such a project, I believe there is. I just do not believe Mills has the experience or the capital to make it happen without help. Thus, the lack of information on the project. It is called fishing...
Although what you say is plausible, for me, until I hear or suspect otherwise, I will go with what the realtor tells me. I have no reason to believe otherwise.
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Central West End (38) is one section of the West End (38, 37. 58,54, 53, 51, 49, 78, 48, 46, 47)
The West End began east of Grand originally and Page was the northern limit. Over the past nearly sixty years the West End has undegone much change from White Flight, Urban renewal (projects), and abandonment. As a result only the Central West End remains from the former bastion of wealth and the home of the upper classes that was the West End.
The West End began east of Grand originally and Page was the northern limit. Over the past nearly sixty years the West End has undegone much change from White Flight, Urban renewal (projects), and abandonment. As a result only the Central West End remains from the former bastion of wealth and the home of the upper classes that was the West End.
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OT, but I always think its funny when someone legitimately wants to type in a character sequence that autimatically gets turned into a smiley.
OT, but I always think its funny when someone legitimately wants to type in a character sequence that autimatically gets turned into a smiley.
jlblues wrote:^Yeah, what TWA said.
Re: Opus. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Opus came into the project as co-developer, especially if the Lindell Condominium project sells out quickly. But, considering how much Opus has on its plate right now, that would probably mean a delay for the Renaissance.
Re: Opus Town. I like it. Hell, if they move their HQ here, they can call it whatever they want. The Central West End brought to you by Opus. Or, how about a joint sponsorship? Opus' Village brought to you by Opus and Berkeley Breathed!
A tower of this Opus? VVV
I just found this, and thought the sign was appropriate.
Maybe we should talk to Opus about our idea and ask for something in return. Maybe Opus would be willing to build us a basketball arena in the CWE. Ha. Can you imagine what the NIMBYS would say about that. Just imagine the parking issues. Oh, it's too funny.
For myself, I want an Opus apartment and I want to be on the payroll as a consultant for coming up with big ideas like Opus Town. What do you guys want so I can send in our list of demands.
For myself, I want an Opus apartment and I want to be on the payroll as a consultant for coming up with big ideas like Opus Town. What do you guys want so I can send in our list of demands.
trent wrote:A tower of this Opus? VVV
I just found this, and thought the sign was appropriate.
Perfect! Put stairs inside, have windows for eyes...just think of the views!
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tall slender towers in the West Pine Village area as designated in the 2003 Midtown Plan found online at the STL City Planning agency website
(bridge southern gap along Forest Park Parkway <northside> to the western SLU entrance)
Make buildings more green without expensive LEED designation
Water retention, treatment, and reuse system
Position windows for less electricity/light usage and different bulbs
Greenroof and garden on terraces & or the top
Heating system that uses geothermal or below ground heat
Recycled materials (even bricks from our demolished buildings)
(bridge southern gap along Forest Park Parkway <northside> to the western SLU entrance)
Make buildings more green without expensive LEED designation
Water retention, treatment, and reuse system
Position windows for less electricity/light usage and different bulbs
Greenroof and garden on terraces & or the top
Heating system that uses geothermal or below ground heat
Recycled materials (even bricks from our demolished buildings)
I think i'm going to blow my top. Google "St. Louis Planning Department" and you get st. louis county THEN LAKE ST. LOUIS THEN St. Louis City's.... What the F? Lake St. Louis!?
SMSPlanstu wrote:tall slender towers in the West Pine Village area as designated in the 2003 Midtown Plan found online at the STL City Planning agency website
(bridge southern gap along Forest Park Parkway <northside> to the western SLU entrance)
Make buildings more green without expensive LEED designation
Water retention, treatment, and reuse system
Position windows for less electricity/light usage and different bulbs
Greenroof and garden on terraces & or the top
Heating system that uses geothermal or below ground heat
Recycled materials (even bricks from our demolished buildings)
I couldn't tell, was this post pro or anti-10 story Opus?
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Tax Guru wrote
Thus,
Above is a response to the request for a list of demands by Tax Guru.
What do you guys want so I can send in our list of demands.
Thus,
SMSPlanstu wrote:
tall slender towers in the West Pine Village area as designated in the 2003 Midtown Plan found online at the STL City Planning agency website
(bridge southern gap along Forest Park Parkway <northside> to the western SLU entrance)
Make buildings more green without expensive LEED designation
Water retention, treatment, and reuse system
Position windows for less electricity/light usage and different bulbs
Greenroof and garden on terraces & or the top
Heating system that uses geothermal or below ground heat
Recycled materials (even bricks from our demolished buildings)
Above is a response to the request for a list of demands by Tax Guru.
They have to tear down the Doctors Building first. So, considering that they building hasn't been cleared out yet, I'd say it's still aways from breaking ground.
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ok..maybe a better question is... Has this passed for approval through the city, or is it still in the planning/proposed stage? Will this actually get built? any timetable?
It's not in a historic district, like the Park East. So City approval isn't needed I think. They are still in planning mode. It's only been proposed for about a year, so I would guess we're probably going to be getting closer to a formal announcement regarding the expected timeline. But I don't know if they've even started selling units, and I think they'd want some sort of reservations ready before they start construction. Over/Under on us seeing this building in the skyline by 2009, I'd go over.