I take it that the Liebskind plans were a bit too much? What was the point in wasting all of that time to have him rework the BD plans only to not use them?
I personally love the new design. The old glass buildings were hideous, and it gives me more reason to hate Liebskind's designs. The new one's will not look completely stupid 30 years down the road. They blend a lot of old architecture, with a nice modern twist. Though it may not be risky or out of the ordinary, they look damn good, and should for a long time. I can't wait until they finalize a design, I just hope it's this one.
Yeah, exactly, they went with a conservative design because that's what St. Louisans have become. They're no longer risk takers.
I can only imagine that people were saying the same thing when the arch was going up. What's this shiny metal thing going to look like in thirty years? If the developers read this forum please don't scrap the old plans. I thought that was the one good thing this development had going for it over the Ballpark Village, and it made me as a St. Louisan proud to think that maybe people were ready to be a bit more progressive and step out of the box a bit. One can hope 
So long to the days when St Louis was a city of progressive architecture.
This is non-distinctive and even bland and ordinary. Modern twist? Where? It looks run of the mill if you ask me.
This is non-distinctive and even bland and ordinary. Modern twist? Where? It looks run of the mill if you ask me.
Let face the facts here folks, whether people like it or not, Libeskind's designs were used for hype and nothing else. So goes the life of the starchetect, designing everything, but seeing nothing built.
The new designs are great. They are not wacked out, but do offer some more creative aspects, mostly just he 4th tower, but the tallest one is more modern than existing building on the skyline. Nothing will make you run away but nothing to blow you away. I feel that the people of St. Louis will still be plenty proud if this design is built. Its been along time since the city has seen this kind of high rise construction and these towers will make people proud because they are a shinning symbol of that. Remember, they are more edgy than the Eagelton Courthouse. seeing that one green lot, makes you remember that if overwhelmingly sucessful, the project has the flexablity to add yet another highrise.
The new designs are great. They are not wacked out, but do offer some more creative aspects, mostly just he 4th tower, but the tallest one is more modern than existing building on the skyline. Nothing will make you run away but nothing to blow you away. I feel that the people of St. Louis will still be plenty proud if this design is built. Its been along time since the city has seen this kind of high rise construction and these towers will make people proud because they are a shinning symbol of that. Remember, they are more edgy than the Eagelton Courthouse. seeing that one green lot, makes you remember that if overwhelmingly sucessful, the project has the flexablity to add yet another highrise.
If this 3rd design comes to fruition then I think they should just rename the Bottle District to "BallPark Village North". THEY LOOK THE SAME.
Sure, the new design is nice, but Libeskind's designs made me think that this was really going to be different and special. Now the BD will still be nice, and much nicer than the original Disney World designs, but not what it could have been. I'm still excited, but not quite as much. Glad to see a fourth tower was added though.
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St.Louis UAB alumni wrote:If this 3rd design comes to fruition then I think they should just rename the Bottle District to "BallPark Village North". THEY LOOK THE SAME.
They don't look a thing alike.
Look very similar with the materials used. Or it looks that way.
I agree with Citylover. Nothing really similiar except their current states of rubble and half demolished buildings.
No offense guys, but it really bothers me that anyone would think that the Libeskind towers were weird or out there. They were more distinctive. The only thing that was possibly "weird" was the way the grid was organized.
That seems to be the problem with tastes. St. Louis has some great old buildings, but some of the most inspirational architecture is mixing the old with the new etc. Granted anything being built is going to seem a little modern because nothing has been built in so long. Many will probably call the Pinnacle hotel modern LOL. The difference is how others from more progressive cities would see that we can step it up a notch and quit being just a brick town or dare I say it "Conservative".
I actually like the new design too.
I like the other as well....
but like this design better for residential highrises. The other looked more corporate and business/financial.
This, IMO, will blend into a more resdential connection for downtown I think.
I like the other as well....
but like this design better for residential highrises. The other looked more corporate and business/financial.
This, IMO, will blend into a more resdential connection for downtown I think.
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my ideal bottle district = libeskind towers, urbanistically integrated layout (i.e car accessible and pedestrian friendly).
The towers in the renderings (which i'm going to guess are really just place holders, not supposed to be taken as the literal versions of what will be built when their phase gets implemented) look competent. They're not horrible, they're not awesome, they look alright. Comparing them to other high rise projects being proposed or u/c in St. Louis they look fine, comparing them with the Libeskind towers they pale.
Oh well.....
The towers in the renderings (which i'm going to guess are really just place holders, not supposed to be taken as the literal versions of what will be built when their phase gets implemented) look competent. They're not horrible, they're not awesome, they look alright. Comparing them to other high rise projects being proposed or u/c in St. Louis they look fine, comparing them with the Libeskind towers they pale.
Oh well.....
I like these new designs. Kinda like "The Boulevard" on steroids, and moved downtown. I think people would really enjoying strolling those streets. Very nice urban massing. (I still have doubts about this thing ever getting built, though)
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If they keep these revised towers looking like they're crayon and colored pencil-colored, I'd say that would be more innovative than the Liebeskind renderings.
I have gone to cautiously optimistic, yet completely excited about this project, to really quite unimpressed, and somewhat bored.
I like the new layout, but the towers are dull, and some of the other buildings around the complex just look dull. Much of that same in St. Louis, I guess.
I like the new layout, but the towers are dull, and some of the other buildings around the complex just look dull. Much of that same in St. Louis, I guess.
Another thing that I love about this new design is that it won't stick out like a sore thumb in north downtown. The old designs would stick out enough being all glass, but the fact that it is the only skyscraper north of the Jones Dome, it just looked completely odd and out of place. If this development was somewhere beind the Arch (a little off to the side, since one tower was the same height as it), it would look awesome. Now they weren't "ugly", but I didn't care for it's lack of detail. Like someone mentioned earlier, they looked more like a commercial building than a residential. The new buildings are more fitting for what they are built for, and will blend in well with it's surroundings.
That's actually a new trend in residential high rise buildings. I had posted images, apparently too many, of Chicago, but they were removed. It proved that most residential high rises going up, or proposed, now look a lot more like office buildings. The gap, between the designs of residential and commercial, is shrinking.
Here's a link where you can see many of Chicago's latest renderings and high rises.
This is the fordham spire. It's residential, and it may end up the tallest in the Nation or the World. Behind it, is the Trump Tower, also residential, and already under construction.
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You can see more here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthr ... genumber=1
Here's a link where you can see many of Chicago's latest renderings and high rises.
This is the fordham spire. It's residential, and it may end up the tallest in the Nation or the World. Behind it, is the Trump Tower, also residential, and already under construction.
You can see more here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthr ... genumber=1
After looking at that link and having seen the pics you posted yesterday before they were taken down, the one posted above is the exception not the rule. That is the one proposed building that is anything close to the Liebiskind design. All of the other buildings look the same, which makes it impossible to say that any one is unique or out there. Moreover, most of those proposed buildings do not look any different than those in the BD, the Ballpark VIllage, or the CWE. If Chicago is the shining example of modern or dynamic or edgy design, then i think the proposed buildings for St. Louis are almost lock step. The only real difference is the absence of round buildings proposed for St. Louis (something i would love to change, always like the Peachtree Tower in Atlanta or the US Bank Tower in MPLS).
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Sorry, this isn't about the rendering but I couldn't find any other bottle district thread...
Anyway, Fox 2 just ran a nice little piece on the news this morning about all the old, antique bottles they are uncovering while digging. They showed an "E. Anheuser" beer bottle - from before the Busch's were involved and also a bottle from 1840 with the pepper sauce still in it.
They talked about displaying all the antiques they uncover in the bottle district development and along with the history of the area.
Anyway, Fox 2 just ran a nice little piece on the news this morning about all the old, antique bottles they are uncovering while digging. They showed an "E. Anheuser" beer bottle - from before the Busch's were involved and also a bottle from 1840 with the pepper sauce still in it.
They talked about displaying all the antiques they uncover in the bottle district development and along with the history of the area.