I have really enjoyed living in Demun and Parkview neighborhoods, both of which are off Skinker on the city's western edge.
I would just like to say, that each neighborhood in South City has its own "personality" and with that, I think each neighborhood has its own positive and negative characteristics.
It makes me sad to read all of the comments suggesting that "this neighborhood is good," "this neighborhood is bad," "mine is better," etc. In order to continue the improvements that are going on all around the city, we must be more united, rather than trying to put eachother's neighborhoods down.
I understand that when trying to direct someone to a neighborhood that they would feel safe and happy in, you may choose to recommend certain neighborhoods over others, but don't bash neigbhorhoods in the process that you probably have no idea what it's like to truly live in.
Every neighborhood in the city had to start somewhere. Crime used to be rampant in Tower Grove South, and look how wonderful it is in so many ways today -- so many improvements. With hard work and a united front, many neighborhoods have so much potential.
It makes me sad to read all of the comments suggesting that "this neighborhood is good," "this neighborhood is bad," "mine is better," etc. In order to continue the improvements that are going on all around the city, we must be more united, rather than trying to put eachother's neighborhoods down.
I understand that when trying to direct someone to a neighborhood that they would feel safe and happy in, you may choose to recommend certain neighborhoods over others, but don't bash neigbhorhoods in the process that you probably have no idea what it's like to truly live in.
Every neighborhood in the city had to start somewhere. Crime used to be rampant in Tower Grove South, and look how wonderful it is in so many ways today -- so many improvements. With hard work and a united front, many neighborhoods have so much potential.
Old North St. Louis has one of the strongest senses of community I've seen.
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As someone that currently lives in Carondelet (the portion closest to Dutchtown and Holly Hills NW of Interstate 55), I would suggest looking closely at the area block-by-block, especially if you have (a) child(ren).
I like the area in general just fine, but if I had to do it over again, I'm not sure I would've bought the house in which I currently live. I feel quite safe overall, but there are problem areas nearby and the relative lack of community involvement in my area has been a disappointment.
It's definitely affordable, though, as there aren't many other places in south St. Louis with such an extensive selection of solid 2 bedroom homes in the $100K range and 3 bedrooms in the sub-$200K range.
I like the area in general just fine, but if I had to do it over again, I'm not sure I would've bought the house in which I currently live. I feel quite safe overall, but there are problem areas nearby and the relative lack of community involvement in my area has been a disappointment.
It's definitely affordable, though, as there aren't many other places in south St. Louis with such an extensive selection of solid 2 bedroom homes in the $100K range and 3 bedrooms in the sub-$200K range.
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Doug wrote:Old North St. Louis has one of the strongest senses of community I've seen.
I agree. When I lived there it almost seemed like it's own small town. I can't wait to see what happens after the 14th St. mall project gets done.
Please, people, let the likes of drunkrusski keep his misconceptions. It might make it easier for people like me to find an affordable place for my three kids in my beloved Tower Grove South.
We've been renting there eight years now, with nary an incident - unlike my office at Hereford & Mardel, west of Kingshighway, where there was a shooting right outside the window I was sitting in front of.
We've been renting there eight years now, with nary an incident - unlike my office at Hereford & Mardel, west of Kingshighway, where there was a shooting right outside the window I was sitting in front of.
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There are so many great, livable neighborhoods in the city that I felt inspired to name a couple that I'm looking at when I move back.
The Patch - In the extreme south of St. Louis, this is an overlooked neighborhood with very diverse architecture and a lot of promise for new investment with the attention to the Lemay casino. South St. Louis Square, with its relocated early 19th century home on the southeastern corner, is an idyllic urban greenspace with an amazing street wall of splendid architecture (Broadway and Courtois). Broadway itself, with the South Public Market, and about two miles of basically uninterrupted 19th and early 20th century commercial/mixed use buildings offers so much potential for the future of the neighborhood. I'd highly recommend a look into the Patch.
Academy - In St. Louis's central corridor, this neighborhood is poised to once again reclaim its status as part of the city's tony "West End" neighborhoods. Its large and luxurious housing stock is very well maintained compared to other "northside" neighborhoods and fixer uppers are still affordable and sound investments. Access to the city's best shops and cultural institutions (Central West End, Forest Park) are mere blocks and there's plenty of potential along Delmar for revitalization. Think a streetcar from here to the Loop. Also, check out Third Degree Glass Factory on Delmar, a neighbor to the Academy neighborhood and an absolute asset to it.
The Patch - In the extreme south of St. Louis, this is an overlooked neighborhood with very diverse architecture and a lot of promise for new investment with the attention to the Lemay casino. South St. Louis Square, with its relocated early 19th century home on the southeastern corner, is an idyllic urban greenspace with an amazing street wall of splendid architecture (Broadway and Courtois). Broadway itself, with the South Public Market, and about two miles of basically uninterrupted 19th and early 20th century commercial/mixed use buildings offers so much potential for the future of the neighborhood. I'd highly recommend a look into the Patch.
Academy - In St. Louis's central corridor, this neighborhood is poised to once again reclaim its status as part of the city's tony "West End" neighborhoods. Its large and luxurious housing stock is very well maintained compared to other "northside" neighborhoods and fixer uppers are still affordable and sound investments. Access to the city's best shops and cultural institutions (Central West End, Forest Park) are mere blocks and there's plenty of potential along Delmar for revitalization. Think a streetcar from here to the Loop. Also, check out Third Degree Glass Factory on Delmar, a neighbor to the Academy neighborhood and an absolute asset to it.
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If you can afford it, I think Shaw and Tower Grove South are the best city neighborhoods for families -- on either side of Kingshighway. Shaw has one of the best grade schools in the region, there's a great park for the kids and there are tons of young families.
You can get a lot of old house and a big yard for your money in Franz Park, a safe nabe south of Dogtown.
Dutchtown, where I live with my wife and two young kids, is block by block. There are great streets with some great old buildings available at a very low price, like the street I live on, and then there are teenage drug dealers shooting other teenage drug dealers in the face just six long blocks away. There are way too many slumlords and empty storefronts and a lot of progress still needs to be made. But if that progress had been made, the neighborhood would be no cheaper than Shaw.
Anyway suggesting an out-of-town family relocate to Dutchtown (or ONSL, Forest Park Southeast or Benton Park West) without offering those hard facts is hopelessly naive or purposely deceptive.
You can get a lot of old house and a big yard for your money in Franz Park, a safe nabe south of Dogtown.
Dutchtown, where I live with my wife and two young kids, is block by block. There are great streets with some great old buildings available at a very low price, like the street I live on, and then there are teenage drug dealers shooting other teenage drug dealers in the face just six long blocks away. There are way too many slumlords and empty storefronts and a lot of progress still needs to be made. But if that progress had been made, the neighborhood would be no cheaper than Shaw.
Anyway suggesting an out-of-town family relocate to Dutchtown (or ONSL, Forest Park Southeast or Benton Park West) without offering those hard facts is hopelessly naive or purposely deceptive.
Unlike some others, I don't feel qualified to speak about neighborhoods that I have not lived in. So, I'll give my impressions of Tower Grove East and South where I have/do live. There are a lot of families and kids. When I first moved into my current house, I had only been there for a week when my neighbor's kid left a nice letter in my mail-slot asking if I would like for him to cut my lawn (I didn't have a mower at the time and things were a bit out of control in my double lot). The kid (about 15) charged me 20 dollars and spent about three hours chopping through the jungle, sweeping up the sidewalk and bagging the grass. It was amazing. I gave him a huge tip. In both neighborhoods, I see kids out all the time when the weather is nice, especially in TGS. Lots of kids riding bikes, playing ball, etc, and that is on the street, not in the park. Usually I see black kids and white kids playing with each other which I like. The neighborhood association in TGE seems stronger, well, very strong with a community garden and lots of businesses/neighborhood initiatives. Tower Grove South seems to have (street by street) stronger informal neighborhood networks, though that impression might be false. There is a new charter school going in near Grand and Spring which I have high hopes for (math and environmental science focus). South Grand and the general in area is the most diverse part of the city in terms of immigrants and their shops/restaurants. From either neighborhood you can walk to bars, restaurants, book store, grocery store, movie rental, dry cleaners, coffee-shop, Gelato, Bakery, Antiques, library, etc. Tower Grove Park is a jewel and is always crowded with nice people. It also hosts lots of events like concerts, and festivals. Finally, you could easily buy a three bedroom, 1 bathroom house in good shape in TGS for $120,000. TGE things are a bit larger and more expensive. Ballpark nice 3 bedroom 2 bath for $200,000. Car break-ins are a problem, get a garage and it ceases to be a problem. Don't wander the streets after 10:00. Teach your kids about (thoroughly) that people roll or completely run stop signs. You will be very happy.
Academy - In St. Louis's central corridor, this neighborhood is poised to once again reclaim its status as part of the city's tony "West End" neighborhoods. Its large and luxurious housing stock is very well maintained compared to other "northside" neighborhoods and fixer uppers are still affordable and sound investments.
I would TOTALLY agree, except for the fact that retard alderman allow GARBAGE infill housing to be built on adjacent lots, which will prevent the area from ever truly attaining its once wealthy status. Brick on the front, vinyl explosion everywhere else...
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I think Tower Grove South is up there with the finest neighborhoods in the City. It is bracketed by two (could be three or four) walkable business districts - one steadily improving, and one exploding, and contains some insanely handsome urban streetscapes. It has all the physical elements of an insanely gentrified chicago nabe.
"vinyl explosion" is a wonderfully descriptive phrase. "retard alderman" is simply offensive.
dutchtowner wrote:If you can afford it, I think Shaw and Tower Grove South are the best city neighborhoods for families -- on either side of Kingshighway. Shaw has one of the best grade schools in the region, there's a great park for the kids and there are tons of young families.
You can get a lot of old house and a big yard for your money in Franz Park, a safe nabe south of Dogtown.
Dutchtown, where I live with my wife and two young kids, is block by block. There are great streets with some great old buildings available at a very low price, like the street I live on, and then there are teenage drug dealers shooting other teenage drug dealers in the face just six long blocks away. There are way too many slumlords and empty storefronts and a lot of progress still needs to be made. But if that progress had been made, the neighborhood would be no cheaper than Shaw.
Anyway suggesting an out-of-town family relocate to Dutchtown (or ONSL, Forest Park Southeast or Benton Park West) without offering those hard facts is hopelessly naive or purposely deceptive.
We'll be joining you in Dutchtown as new homeowners in about three weeks and (obviously) really hope things are on the upswing.
News of the murder up by the hospital the other day didn't help, nor did seeing a fellow spray-painting gang signs on the back of the "Meramec Market" when we drove by the house recently. He didn't seem very concerned with people seeing him do this.
It's really a balancing of what we could afford and acceptable risk, unfortunately.
"retard alderman" is simply offensive.
not really. Isn't it ultimately THEIR decision, that allows this garbage infill?
^ Um, offensive, not to the alderman (sic), but to people affected by mental retardation. It's a slur.
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publiceye wrote:^ Um, offensive, not to the alderman (sic), but to people affected by mental retardation. It's a slur.
Stop being so gay.
j/k
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So I just put in an offer on a condo in DeBaliviere Place. A 150 second walk from the Metro platform. Nice 2008 market for buyers. We're very pleased.
County population -2, City population +2.
Naked DSL and DirecTV. Smell you later, Charter!
County population -2, City population +2.
Naked DSL and DirecTV. Smell you later, Charter!
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I'm glad to see people moving into the city.
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throatybeard wrote:So I just put in an offer on a condo in DeBaliviere Place. A 150 second walk from the Metro platform. Nice 2008 market for buyers. We're very pleased.
County population -2, City population +2.
Naked DSL and DirecTV. Smell you later, Charter!
Congrats! Hope you like living in my old neighborhood - it's a great place to be.
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I’ve created a STL City neighborhood tournament that will begin tomorrow on twitter.
Apologies if there’s a better spot for this in the forum.
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Interesting. Before I can vote I am curious which ones didn’t make it. March madness is 68 teams (I think) and the city has 79 (right?).SeattleNative wrote:I’ve created a STL City neighborhood tournament that will begin tomorrow on twitter.
Apologies if there’s a better spot for this in the forum.
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Reminds me of the RFT article about if every neighborhood was a person at a party and all the “neighborhoods” were suburbs.jshank83 wrote:I don’t see Chesterfield on it.
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