They didn't examine St. Louis in their study. They only looked at 25 specific cities and ranked them against each other.
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And unfortunately everyone who looks at it will make the same mistake and assume St. Louis didn't make the cut (if they think about St. Louis at all).pat wrote:They didn't examine St. Louis in their study. They only looked at 25 specific cities and ranked them against each other.
Watch for the data centers downtown to begin trickling out of the city. The major internet routes underneath Tucker and the proximity to the SBC complex are no longer the game changing, major assets they once were, and rent, parking, and employee safety are increasing concerns.
Also, not as concrete, more a general observation, but St. Louis is not the midwest tech skills hub it is made out to be. If your company is running Windows 2008 infrastructure or doing .Net or Java legacy maintenance or development, St. Louis is great. But outside of the tiny cluster of startups around Washington and 1 or 2 others (NOT including Lockerdome in this), St. Louis tech skills are not very future oriented, and this hasn't gone unnoticed. Please note, I'm talking about hard tech skills, not bioscience stuff.
Also, not as concrete, more a general observation, but St. Louis is not the midwest tech skills hub it is made out to be. If your company is running Windows 2008 infrastructure or doing .Net or Java legacy maintenance or development, St. Louis is great. But outside of the tiny cluster of startups around Washington and 1 or 2 others (NOT including Lockerdome in this), St. Louis tech skills are not very future oriented, and this hasn't gone unnoticed. Please note, I'm talking about hard tech skills, not bioscience stuff.
Is this a huge deal? Do data centers really employ that many people or bring a lot of bodies down town?Watch for the data centers downtown to begin trickling out of the city. The major internet routes underneath Tucker and the proximity to the SBC complex are no longer the game changing, major assets they once were, and rent, parking, and employee safety are increasing concerns.
So how does this relate to Launchcode or the hackathons?Also, not as concrete, more a general observation, but St. Louis is not the midwest tech skills hub it is made out to be. If your company is running Windows 2008 infrastructure or doing .Net or Java legacy maintenance or development, St. Louis is great. But outside of the tiny cluster of startups around Washington and 1 or 2 others (NOT including Lockerdome in this), St. Louis tech skills are not very future oriented, and this hasn't gone unnoticed. Please note, I'm talking about hard tech skills, not bioscience stuff.
Typically around 50 or so people per company. Sometimes more, sometimes less. They're all pretty decently paid jobs. Someone just starting out with little to no relevant experience probably makes around 35-40k.Is this a huge deal? Do data centers really employ that many people or bring a lot of bodies down town?
Launchcode does seem to put out more people learning Python and the like than local colleges, but the number is still comparatively small. The colleges get what to teach from the big local companies that hire their students. Think "Depressed" Scripts, Cass Info Systems, Enterprise, WWT, etc. These big local companies want kids learning Java and .Net. Boeing actually is probably one of the only major employers that's looking for stuff your typical CS student is actually excited about.So how does this relate to Launchcode or the hackathons?
Nice jobs, if you intend to stay in St. Louis, but the college programs are not exciting or innovative on a nationwide or global scale.
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Meanwhile this data center downtown is expanding
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/blog ... j=74795532
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I don't want to seem like a downer, but that's hardly "expanding".moorlander wrote:Meanwhile this data center downtown is expanding
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They ran some cables from their suite in the Globe Building, to either the buidlings meet-me room or a hookup close by.
So they're using it to try to lure new customers by saying "hey, you can use Level3's network here!". Ok. I don't know what the situation is like in the Globe Building, but the data centers at 210 Tucker and surrounding blocks, all have at least 3 connections, virtually all including Level3.The vXchnge network connection with Level 3 is part of vXchnge's strategy to provide enterprises, across the country, with an economical point of presence (PoP) to access Level 3 and vXchnge services.
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AT&T Gigapower is rolling out to select addresses in the city, St. Charles, and U-city, I believe.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/08/11/ ... ds-arrive/
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/08/11/ ... ds-arrive/
hiddeninput wrote:AT&T Gigapower is rolling out to select addresses in the city, St. Charles, and U-city, I believe.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/08/11/ ... ds-arrive/
They're probably hitting a couple blocks in each area and calling it 'rolled out'. Heck my block can't even get anything higher then 1.5mbps from AT&T in the city
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My address in DeBaliviere Place doesn't seem to be eligible for the roll out yet. So far, AT&T have talked a big game about gigabit but haven't demonstrably delivered anywhere that I've seen, so I tend to agree with you.joelo wrote:They're probably hitting a couple blocks in each area and calling it 'rolled out'.
I believe they all have talked a big game because gigabit access is all about getting fiber cable directly to the user doorstep. That is a huge infrastructure investment no matter how you look at it. Verizon spent billions in Northeast to reach a relatively small area geographically, ATT will be very selective after seeing Verizon's experience of big up front costs and the revenues generated on it and for all the buzz about Googlefiber they haven't built out much of network even when compared to Verizon even though they might have the biggest cash pile on hand.hiddeninput wrote:My address in DeBaliviere Place doesn't seem to be eligible for the roll out yet. So far, AT&T have talked a big game about gigabit but haven't demonstrably delivered anywhere that I've seen, so I tend to agree with you.joelo wrote:They're probably hitting a couple blocks in each area and calling it 'rolled out'.
WSJ article behind a pay wall but believe it would probably give a pretty good understanding of why even GoogleFiber hasn't gotten into many homes & business.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-hig ... 1471193165
Google parent Alphabet Inc. is rethinking its high-speed internet business after initial rollouts proved more expensive and time consuming than anticipated, a stark contrast to the fanfare that greeted its launch six years ago
http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-hig ... 1471193165
Google parent Alphabet Inc. is rethinking its high-speed internet business after initial rollouts proved more expensive and time consuming than anticipated, a stark contrast to the fanfare that greeted its launch six years ago
^Thanks for posting.
Google’s High-Speed Web Plans Hit Snags
After initial rollouts prove costly, Google Fiber rethinks how to deliver connections in metro areas
By JACK NICAS
Wall Street Journal
Updated Aug. 15, 2016 12:00 a.m. ET
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Google parent Alphabet Inc. is rethinking its high-speed internet business after initial rollouts proved more expensive and time consuming than anticipated, a stark contrast to the fanfare that greeted its launch six years ago.
Alphabet’s internet provider, Google Fiber, has spent hundreds of millions dollars digging up streets and laying fiber-optic cables in a handful of cities to offer web connections roughly 30 times faster than the U.S. average.
Now the company is hoping to use wireless technology to connect homes, rather than cables, in about a dozen new metro areas, including Los Angeles, Chicago and Dallas, according to people familiar with the company’s plans. As a result Alphabet has suspended projects in San Jose, Calif., and Portland, Ore.
Meanwhile, the company is trying to cut costs and accelerate its expansion elsewhere by leasing existing fiber or asking cities or power companies to build the networks instead of building its own.
Google’s announcement in 2010 of its Fiber project sparked high expectations at a time when telephone companies were perceived as moving slowly in rolling out faster broadband service. More than 1,000 cities applied and Google began service in the Kansas City area in November 2012. The following month, Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt told a conference that Fiber “isn’t just an experiment, it’s a real business and we’re trying to decide where to expand next.”
Today, Google Fiber has reached just six metro areas, the latest example of the challenges facing digital companies seeking to move into more traditional lines of business.
“If you’re in the telecommunications industry for 150 years, there are no surprises here,” said Jonathan Reichental, chief technology officer of the city of Palo Alto, Calif. “But if you’re a software company getting into the business for the first time, this is a completely new world.”
Mr. Reichental said Google Fiber executives recently told him that plans to bring the service to Palo Alto and nearby cities are on hold for at least six months.
In a written statement, Alphabet said, “We’re continuing to work with city leaders to explore the possibility of bringing Google Fiber to many cities. This means deploying the latest technologies in alignment with our product road map, while understanding local considerations and challenges, which takes time.”
Additional excerpts:
Google’s High-Speed Web Plans Hit Snags
After initial rollouts prove costly, Google Fiber rethinks how to deliver connections in metro areas
By JACK NICAS
Wall Street Journal
Updated Aug. 15, 2016 12:00 a.m. ET
47 COMMENTS
Google parent Alphabet Inc. is rethinking its high-speed internet business after initial rollouts proved more expensive and time consuming than anticipated, a stark contrast to the fanfare that greeted its launch six years ago.
Alphabet’s internet provider, Google Fiber, has spent hundreds of millions dollars digging up streets and laying fiber-optic cables in a handful of cities to offer web connections roughly 30 times faster than the U.S. average.
Now the company is hoping to use wireless technology to connect homes, rather than cables, in about a dozen new metro areas, including Los Angeles, Chicago and Dallas, according to people familiar with the company’s plans. As a result Alphabet has suspended projects in San Jose, Calif., and Portland, Ore.
Meanwhile, the company is trying to cut costs and accelerate its expansion elsewhere by leasing existing fiber or asking cities or power companies to build the networks instead of building its own.
Google’s announcement in 2010 of its Fiber project sparked high expectations at a time when telephone companies were perceived as moving slowly in rolling out faster broadband service. More than 1,000 cities applied and Google began service in the Kansas City area in November 2012. The following month, Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt told a conference that Fiber “isn’t just an experiment, it’s a real business and we’re trying to decide where to expand next.”
Today, Google Fiber has reached just six metro areas, the latest example of the challenges facing digital companies seeking to move into more traditional lines of business.
“If you’re in the telecommunications industry for 150 years, there are no surprises here,” said Jonathan Reichental, chief technology officer of the city of Palo Alto, Calif. “But if you’re a software company getting into the business for the first time, this is a completely new world.”
Mr. Reichental said Google Fiber executives recently told him that plans to bring the service to Palo Alto and nearby cities are on hold for at least six months.
In a written statement, Alphabet said, “We’re continuing to work with city leaders to explore the possibility of bringing Google Fiber to many cities. This means deploying the latest technologies in alignment with our product road map, while understanding local considerations and challenges, which takes time.”
Additional excerpts:
The new strategies are in response to the headaches of building a fiber network. In Kansas City, homeowners complained about destroyed lawns and ruptured gas lines. In Nashville, Tenn., and Louisville, Ky., competing telecom firms are blocking the company from stringing fiber on their utility poles.
In Kansas City, Alphabet also is testing a wireless technology that delivers connections from antennas on street lamps. And the company recently applied to the Federal Communications Commission to test “experimental transmitters” for wireless connections in 24 U.S. locations during the next two years.
Google Fiber is planning a system that would use fiber for the central network and antennas to connect each home wirelessly to that network, according to a person familiar with the plans. Alphabet Chairman Eric Schmidt said at the company’s shareholder meeting in June that wireless connections can be “cheaper than digging up your garden” to lay fiber.
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^ I assume Neil Turner is pissed because Jack won't let him use Twitter to harass and threaten female actresses and video game designers anymore.
Start up moving to downtown. BizJournals tech flash article behind pay wall so I can't offer a whole lot
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/blog ... louis.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/blog ... louis.html
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^ Looks like KNOWiNK, a voting tech start-up, is moving from Lemay Ferry to 2111 Olive in Downtown West. Not sure how many employees.
STLrainbow wrote:^ Looks like KNOWiNK, a voting tech start-up, is moving from Lemay Ferry to 2111 Olive in Downtown West. Not sure how many employees.
12 employees on LinkedIn so pretty small
Somewhere else I saw someone is moving from Clayton to Downtown by Union Station. I can't remember if they were tech or not though.
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joelo wrote:STLrainbow wrote:^ Looks like KNOWiNK, a voting tech start-up, is moving from Lemay Ferry to 2111 Olive in Downtown West. Not sure how many employees.
12 employees on LinkedIn so pretty small
The article says 22 employees.
moorlander wrote:joelo wrote:STLrainbow wrote:^ Looks like KNOWiNK, a voting tech start-up, is moving from Lemay Ferry to 2111 Olive in Downtown West. Not sure how many employees.
12 employees on LinkedIn so pretty small
The article says 22 employees.
That's a pretty decent size for a startup
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Ample parking across the street.







