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PostSep 22, 2015#426

I think they touched on that
At the least, police training should be improved and centralized, ensuring some consistency and quality, stressing that force should be a last resort and that tickets don't exist to raise revenue.

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PostSep 22, 2015#427

bprop wrote:Their diagnosis is pretty much right on but their prescription doesn't make sense: just make things "bigger." No objective criteria on quality, accountability, service, or accreditation....just, bigger.

I like WaPo, but this one sounds like a bunch of armchair quarterbacks pontificating.
It's a lot easier for a dept of 200 to build a training seminar than a department of 4. I guess you could have dozens of police chiefs get together and, hypothetically, cooperate on these things, but that doesn't seem to happen.

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PostSep 22, 2015#428

quincunx wrote:I think they touched on that
At the least, police training should be improved and centralized, ensuring some consistency and quality, stressing that force should be a last resort and that tickets don't exist to raise revenue.
Well, that's a good point that they make, for example that force should be used as a last resort. Centralizing training - or making departments bigger - does not actually address that.

Fortunately, accreditation does. To wit:

http://www.calea.org/content/standards-titles
16.3.6 Use of Force Training & Firearms Proficiency

There are a number of fully accredited police departments in small municipalities, and a number of non-accredited police departments that the editorial board would probably consider an "acceptable" size.

Set accreditation as the bar or milestone to reach, and then let departments figure out how to get there.

They're tilting at windmills by stressing size as the solution.

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PostSep 22, 2015#429

SB5 mandates accreditation within 6 years

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PostSep 22, 2015#430

I didn't read the article. But size of the department goes to efficiency; you don't need 60 police chiefs, call centers, detention centers, etc. Also if you're not limiting your patrol area to the boundaries of tiny municipalities then in theory you could use fewer officers to patrol the same area. Not to mention purchasing supplies in bulk can afford a lower cost per unit.

It also goes to solvency; a tiny municipality doesn't have to generate revenue by creatively ginning up fines via tickets and arrests to support their own police force; the (lower - see above) policing costs get spread out over many municipalities, or maybe even the entire county, meaning there's less temptation to drive revenue via unfair police practices.

That isn't some untested or unheard of scenario; sometimes I think we in the region might forget that to at least a degree what's 'normal' here is the outlier

-RBB

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PostSep 22, 2015#431

quincunx wrote:SB5 mandates accreditation within 6 years
Yes, good.

Now let police departments meet the criteria as they see fit. Since the Mack's Creek provision ensures that municipalities won't be in existence solely on fine revenue, then I don't see it as an issue if a smaller municipality votes to manage is own police department with more local control and responsiveness.

And by the way, why wouldn't this apply across the state?

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PostSep 22, 2015#432

bprop wrote: And by the way, why wouldn't this apply across the state?
Because rural Missourians hate St. Louis?

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PostSep 24, 2015#433

Ferguson on the fast track to bankruptcy. Until we embrace other options besides the two the Mayor thinks are the only ones available, we can't expect much positive change.

Stl Today - As Ferguson's finances slide, mayor meets with Emerson

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We’re going to have to bring in new revenue or make cuts, or some combination of the two
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... f127a.html

PostSep 28, 2015#434

Putin brings up Ferguson and policing in his 60 Minutes interview.

Meanwhile insolvent munis are planning to fight SB5

StlToday - Some St. Louis County cities fear new police requirements are meant to put them out of business
At Thursday night’s meeting, Chesterfield Police Chief Ray Johnson encouraged small cities to apply for police accreditation as required within six years under the new Missouri municipal court reform law. Northwoods Alderman Errol Bush said the cities should fight to repeal or change the law, which he said is aimed at financially destroying North County cities.
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-a ... b1a16.html

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PostSep 28, 2015#435

I think this was mentioned earlier, but here is a list of munis with accredited police departments, either through CALEA or MPCA:

---CALEA---
Chesterfield
Clayton
Creve Coeur
Florissant
Maplewood
Richmond Heights
Shrewsbury
St. Louis County
Webster Groves
-----MPCA----
Bellefontaine Neighbors
Maryland Heights
Olivette
St. John

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PostSep 30, 2015#436

Yet another example of our friends on the other side of Mississippi acting as a region when it comes to economic development.
The group’s mission is to raise awareness of global exporting and foreign direct trade investment as an opportunity for economic stability and growth in Southwestern Illinois.

“We are working to identify and form strategies to address barriers that may be preventing or limiting Southwestern Illinois companies from exporting,” said Torres Bowman, noting that the formal board will meet quarterly, but work will take place throughout the year.
http://www.siue.edu/news/2015/09/Dunsta ... ncil.shtml

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PostOct 08, 2015#437

Stltoday - A Bad Year For Business In St. Louis County's Municipal Courts

http://video.stltoday.com/A-Bad-Year-Fo ... s-29792334

PostOct 08, 2015#438

HuffPo - After Ferguson, A St. Louis County Town Must Learn To Police Without Profit

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/st- ... 3706de0328

PostOct 17, 2015#439

StlToday - Editorial: Another committee to study a problem with an obvious solution
Great. Another committee. The Supreme Court already appointed a Municipal Court Working Group, but if another committee is what it takes to persuade the Supreme Court to consolidate the 82 municipal courts in St. Louis County, then Godspeed.
http://m.stltoday.com/news/opinion/colu ... e6c91.html

PostOct 23, 2015#440

StlToday - Editorial: Stenger is right: Every county resident deserves quality cops

http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/co ... 55969.html

PostNov 08, 2015#441

Like merge/disincorporate?

Stltoday - New state traffic ticket cap a factor in 2 villages' switch to city status
“Because we're strictly residential, we have to look at all components to make sure we stay viable,” said Earlene Luster, who chairs the board of trustees in Velda Village Hills.
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-a ... f65f2.html

PostNov 13, 2015#442

I'm sure other cities are green with envy over our local court system.

StlToday - Activists urge consolidation of area municipal courts at St. Louis hearing
David Leipholtz, of the organization Better Together, which is urging consolidation, had a ready answer: The citizens no longer believe in this system, where 90 municipalities run 81 different courts and 29 mayors were last elected with 100 votes or less.

The idea of some mandate to preserve the status quo, Leipholtz said, is “just not true.”
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... b68c9.html

Stl Public Radio - Working group studying municipal court reforms hears overwhelming call for consolidation
"We’re working very hard on making these courts better," said Michael Gunn, a municipal judge in Manchester. "It would be an absolute sin to destroy this great benefit that we have, and other major cities in the United States would love to have, and that is local government solving local problems."
http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/wor ... solidation

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PostNov 13, 2015#443

^ Love how it is also an elected official and or an government employee being quoted on how great it is to have a million small governments entities. Would be interesting to hear the comments of the local citizens using the courts that day had to say.
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I'm amazed what leadership doesn't understand or unwilling to admit in St. Louis county. Heck, My wife and or I get a ticket in my new home town of 24,000 odd people out in the Bay Area and everything is dealt through the county court system. None of the muni's around us, with a total population well north of 100,000, have a muni court system as it should be. Instead the county has separate courts for traffic/parking, civil and criminal

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PostNov 15, 2015#444

NYTimes - Policing for Profit in St. Louis County
As many unwary drivers can attest, small-town speed traps have long been a steady source of income for local governments. But “policing for profit” acquired sinister overtones when a Justice Department investigation into the shooting and racial unrest in Ferguson, Mo., drew attention to the fact that some towns in St. Louis County derived 40 percent or more of their revenue by repeatedly nailing citizens with traffic fines and fees for petty violations.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/opini ... ounty.html

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PostNov 16, 2015#445

From Politico article on why Brussels has policing issues, replacing "Brussels" with "St. Louis":
...blamed [St. Louis's] complex structure of government, which he said made exchanging information between police and intelligence services difficult. [St. Louis] has six police departments, just covering the city, and 19 municipalities with 19 mayors. “The approach is too divided between different local authorities here in [St. Louis].”
http://www.politico.eu/article/why-is-b ... s-attacks/

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PostNov 16, 2015#446

It's not just fragmentation, being too spread out and lack of street grid/ hierarchical street/road system makes it more difficult and expensive to serve us with fire protection and EMS. And in the case of EMS contribute to the number and severity of car crashes and general poor health of individuals (heart disease, asthma, diabetes, etc) which leads to more calls.

Better Together recommends a single fire district for St. louis City and COunty

http://www.bettertogetherstl.com/wp-con ... ummary.pdf

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PostNov 16, 2015#447

Excellent plan. Start of Unigov?

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PostNov 16, 2015#448

quincunx wrote:It's not just fragmentation, being too spread out and lack of street grid/ hierarchical street/road system makes it more difficult and expensive to serve us with fire protection and EMS.
This is a small tangent, but I'm always leery of describing being spread out as a categorically bad thing. Allowing people to spread out freely without connecting that spread to service costs and lower quality services is where it becomes a free-rider problem rolling into a financial catastrophe.

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PostNov 16, 2015#449

Stl Public Radio - On the Trail: County cities band together to oppose Stenger's police standards push
“We have old people in our community. Very many of our people are retired. We have no businesses. We have very, very little in and out of our community,” Valle said during last week's St. Louis County Council meeting. “We chose Normandy (for police service). We love Normandy. They know us. They take care of us. And my constituents feel safe. That's what's most important to us. Not a lot of fighting about standards.”
http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/tra ... dards-push

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PostNov 17, 2015#450

Hey, Indianapolis has a single fire dept for Marion county. They absorbed the surrounding townships back in 2007 I think.

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