Stl County Executive Race

Baltimore Jack · PostSep 13, 2022#762022-09-13T14:00+00:00

The Page campaign response was pretty humorous:

Over the next two months, the campaigns will make clear the real differences in temperament between the candidates and in protecting the reproductive health of County residents and in supporting organized labor. But for tonight, it is comforting to know that both the Democratic and Republican nominees for St Louis County Executive voted for Joe Biden for President

leeharveyawesome · PostSep 13, 2022#772022-09-13T20:57+00:00

The biggest question facing STL County right now is who's more transphobic Page or Montovanti?

sc4mayor · PostSep 13, 2022#782022-09-13T23:18+00:00

Our “local” troll is back…

MarkHaversham · PostSep 14, 2022#792022-09-14T02:32+00:00

leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑
Sep 13, 2022
The biggest question facing STL County right now is who's more transphobic Page or Montovanti?

I'm not familiar with Page's record but while the Democratic party as a whole is embracing TERFs I doubt that will be a major electoral factor. Nobody is going to bat for trans people in a meaningful way.

jshank83 · PostOct 09, 2022#802022-10-09T01:48+00:00

Apparently scout did a poll. Not sure on margin of error or any of that.

Baltimore Jack · PostOct 12, 2022#812022-10-12T13:41+00:00

Will there be a debate? If so will be interesting to see how Montavoni answers questions about the 2020 election and the Dobbs decision.

quincunx · PostOct 12, 2022#822022-10-12T13:52+00:00

I doubt it. Page has nothing to worry about. Also it annoys me when debates spend a lot of time on things the position can't do much about.

chriss752 · PostOct 12, 2022#832022-10-12T18:23+00:00

KPLR hosting debate on November 1st.
https://fox2now.com/news/politics/page- ... te-on-kplr

Baltimore Jack · PostOct 13, 2022#842022-10-13T00:25+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Oct 12, 2022
it annoys me when debates spend a lot of time on things the position can't do much about.

Counterpoint--Mantovani chose to join the Republican Party following the events of Jan. 6 2021 and the June 2022 overturn of Roe v. Wade.

Questions about whether or not he agrees with the prevailing view of his new party on both of those issues deserve to be answered.

quincunx · PostOct 13, 2022#852022-10-13T01:44+00:00

I didn't say they didn't. I'd prefer debate time focus on things the Co Exec does.

MarkHaversham · PostOct 13, 2022#862022-10-13T02:41+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Oct 13, 2022
I didn't say they didn't. I'd prefer debate time focus on things the Co Exec does.

If nothing else it's an accessible way to determine if the exec believes in equal human rights, which has implications for more specific exec duties.

DTGstl314 · PostOct 13, 2022#872022-10-13T04:56+00:00

MarkHaversham wrote: ↑
Sep 14, 2022
while the Democratic party as a whole is embracing TERFs

And the actual evidence of this ridiculous assertion would be...?

STLEnginerd · PostOct 13, 2022#882022-10-13T14:38+00:00

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑
Oct 13, 2022
quincunx wrote: ↑
Oct 12, 2022
it annoys me when debates spend a lot of time on things the position can't do much about.
Counterpoint--Mantovani chose to join the Republican Party following the events of Jan. 6 2021 and the June 2022 overturn of Roe v. Wade.

Questions about whether or not he agrees with the prevailing view of his new party on both of those issues deserve to be answered.

Lets say he is pro-life. Does that disqualify him from a job where he has literally no influence over the issue. I could see a question relating to his changing party affiliation being appropriate but his personal stance on abortion rights are largely irrelevant to the position.

Something regarding his willingness to accept the results and his confidence in the fairness of our election could be relevant i guess. If you ask him his opinion on the Jan 6 insurrection i am pretty sure his answer will be 'insurrections are bad' and it will have been a waste of time.

Bart Harley Jarvis · PostOct 13, 2022#892022-10-13T14:43+00:00

STLEnginerd wrote: ↑
Oct 13, 2022
Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑
Oct 13, 2022
quincunx wrote: ↑
Oct 12, 2022
it annoys me when debates spend a lot of time on things the position can't do much about.
Counterpoint--Mantovani chose to join the Republican Party following the events of Jan. 6 2021 and the June 2022 overturn of Roe v. Wade.

Questions about whether or not he agrees with the prevailing view of his new party on both of those issues deserve to be answered.
Lets say he is pro-life. Does that disqualify him from a job where he has literally no influence over the issue. I could see a question relating to his changing party affiliation being appropriate but his personal stance on abortion rights are largely irrelevant to the position.

Something regarding his willingness to accept the results and his confidence in the fairness of our election could be relevant i guess. If you ask him his opinion on the Jan 6 insurrection i am pretty sure his answer will be 'insurrections are bad' and it will have been a waste of time.

How about, why should anyone vote for you when you're, at best, the 3rd choice of GOP voters?

MarkHaversham · PostOct 13, 2022#902022-10-13T19:43+00:00

STLEnginerd wrote: ↑
Oct 13, 2022
Lets say he is pro-life. Does that disqualify him from a job where he has literally no influence over the issue. I could see a question relating to his changing party affiliation being appropriate but his personal stance on abortion rights are largely irrelevant to the position.

Something regarding his willingness to accept the results and his confidence in the fairness of our election could be relevant i guess. If you ask him his opinion on the Jan 6 insurrection i am pretty sure his answer will be 'insurrections are bad' and it will have been a waste of time.

I don't doubt that the county government could find ways to make life difficult for abortion clinics. They can influence zoning and permits and so on, right?

PostOct 13, 2022#912022-10-13T19:47+00:00

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑
Oct 13, 2022
MarkHaversham wrote: ↑
Sep 14, 2022
while the Democratic party as a whole is embracing TERFs
And the actual evidence of this ridiculous assertion would be...?

Liberal social media is rich with "don't talk about trans people because it will jeopardize our election chances". And congressional Democrats have done nothing at all to protect trans rights being assaulted at the state level.

Edit: Most prominent example I can recall is this Hillary interview: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ation.html

quincunx · PostOct 13, 2022#922022-10-13T20:10+00:00

MarkHaversham wrote: ↑
Oct 13, 2022
STLEnginerd wrote: ↑
Oct 13, 2022
Lets say he is pro-life. Does that disqualify him from a job where he has literally no influence over the issue. I could see a question relating to his changing party affiliation being appropriate but his personal stance on abortion rights are largely irrelevant to the position.

Something regarding his willingness to accept the results and his confidence in the fairness of our election could be relevant i guess. If you ask him his opinion on the Jan 6 insurrection i am pretty sure his answer will be 'insurrections are bad' and it will have been a waste of time.
I don't doubt that the county government could find ways to make life difficult for abortion clinics. They can influence zoning and permits and so on, right?

Goof point. How long has it been since the county had an abortion clinic?
Also a County Exec could assist gathering signatures for a state const amendment and campaign for it. Or work against the effort.

STLEnginerd · PostOct 13, 2022#932022-10-13T21:16+00:00

I think it will get to the ballot with or without them unless the state legislature is successful in blocking the publics ability to put up ballot initiatives which they might... Ok, sure, and when abortion care becomes a flicker of a possibility in the state of Missouri i could see it rising in the list of priorities for County executive debate. Seems like there are more tangible issues at play though. The fact there wasn't a clinic in the county before seems like making it an issue in the race now when they couldn't put one in if they wanted too now doesn't seem reasonable.

Regarding LGBTQ+ issues and specifically trans I think its fair game but better to tailor the questioning toward something they actually can influence such as specific revisions to statutes or funding of certain programs. I guess making them both take a stand on gender identity in school sports is fair game but is very likely to be superseded by state laws anyway unless you can think of a local statute at play. I'm sure they would both rather avoid taking a stance on that issue at all.

Baltimore Jack · PostOct 13, 2022#942022-10-13T23:16+00:00

Wesley Bell announced he would not prosecute any violations of the state abortion law.

Montovani could simply be asked if he stands with his county's elected prosecutor or Gov Parson on this (we know Sam Page's answer)

jshank83 · PostOct 14, 2022#952022-10-14T04:19+00:00

I’m not sure Mark’s stance changes any on this stuff whether he has a D, R or I by his name. It seems like he has straddled the line in the middle so whatever he runs as it is all the same at this point. Running as a Republican just gets him on the ballot again. No need to move to Republican positions on things. He is further right than Page, even though I don’t think it’s that much further right, and that’s all Republicans care about.

MarkHaversham · PostOct 14, 2022#962022-10-14T13:33+00:00

STLEnginerd wrote: ↑
Oct 13, 2022
better to tailor the questioning toward something they actually can influence such as specific revisions to statutes or funding of certain programs.

Generally I think most voters don't understand the nitty-gritty of what the executive does. They don't understand XXX statute or YYY program, they do understand pro-Abortion or anti-Trans or whatever. County exec is a local position but many people marinate in national news propaganda so they want to understand the candidates in those terms.

SB in BH · PostOct 14, 2022#972022-10-14T15:29+00:00

MarkHaversham wrote: ↑
Oct 14, 2022
STLEnginerd wrote: ↑
Oct 13, 2022
better to tailor the questioning toward something they actually can influence such as specific revisions to statutes or funding of certain programs.
Generally I think most voters don't understand the nitty-gritty of what the executive does. They don't understand XXX statute or YYY program, they do understand pro-Abortion or anti-Trans or whatever. County exec is a local position but many people marinate in national news propaganda so they want to understand the candidates in those terms.

And national news propaganda wants the peasants focused on divisive social issues so they won't unite on common economic interests and revolt against their capitalist overlords.

MarkHaversham · PostOct 14, 2022#982022-10-14T16:17+00:00

SB in BH wrote: ↑
Oct 14, 2022
MarkHaversham wrote: ↑
Oct 14, 2022
STLEnginerd wrote: ↑
Oct 13, 2022
better to tailor the questioning toward something they actually can influence such as specific revisions to statutes or funding of certain programs.
Generally I think most voters don't understand the nitty-gritty of what the executive does. They don't understand XXX statute or YYY program, they do understand pro-Abortion or anti-Trans or whatever. County exec is a local position but many people marinate in national news propaganda so they want to understand the candidates in those terms.
And national news propaganda wants the peasants focused on divisive social issues so they won't unite on common economic interests and revolt against their capitalist overlords.

It's not limited to national news propaganda, local pols also love empty gestures like "studies".

chriss752 · PostOct 23, 2022#992022-10-23T23:31+00:00

The Post-Dispatch Editorial Board endorsed Mark Mantovani.

SSomething isn’t right in St. Louis County government, and it hasn’t been right for quite some time — even before the pandemic threw local politics into turmoil. Hopes were high that the demise of corrupt former County Executive Steve Stenger would fix the dysfunction, but the backroom wheeling and dealing, coupled with front-room sniping and snarling, has only helped perpetuate the divisiveness. Democratic County Executive Sam Page, for all his claims to have been a victim of a crazy pandemic political culture, has been a major contributor to the dysfunction he says he’s trying to end.

It’s time for new leadership — and that’s a big ask of St. Louis County voters after three uninterrupted decades of Democratic rule in the county executive’s office.

Voters on Nov. 8 will see a familiar name on the ballot: Mark Mantovani. He narrowly lost to Stenger in the 2018 race for the Democratic nomination but now is running as a moderate — repeat, moderate — Republican. Mantovani oozes reasonableness. His plain-speaking, calm, pragmatic approach to issues is exactly what the county needs to restore confidence and put a stop to the ridiculous bickering between the incumbent administration and the County Council. We recommend Mantovani for St. Louis County executive.

https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/editor ... 95804.html

framer · PostOct 24, 2022#1002022-10-24T00:33+00:00

Ha! That must have been hard for them.

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