He's from L.A. and he played college ball there. If it makes you feel better, his salary will not be paid by the Rams next year.gary kreie wrote:OK, but at his link he says more:rawest1 wrote:I highly doubt if the ramblings of one (bad) football player create any serious PR noise. Big surprise, a bunch of young guys flush with cash are intrigued by the prospect of living and playing in Los Angeles over St. Louis.gary kreie wrote:Well, apparently one of our Rams wide receivers, Steve Smith, is rooting for the Rams to move to LA. He was a big disappointment this year, so I suspect he won't be with the Rams no matter where they play. He says all the Rams players talk about moving to LA. Kevin Demoff, better get your PR machine going -- the Rams still have to play here for at least 2 more years.
http://www.conquestchronicles.com/2013/ ... -nfl-in-la
Kevin Demoff PR work has been exceptional for years, now.
http://larrybrownsports.com/football/st ... -la/170839Smith was asked if Rams players would be interested in playing in LA. He said with certainty that they would want to.
“Oh I know so,” said Smith. “We talked about it all season long. We would be out literally in practice — during practice — talking about playing in LA. Honestly.”
A candid Smith revealed the types of things teammates would say to each other.
“How nice would it be to be practicing in LA? Just go to the mall after practice in LA. It’s such a beautiful day in LA all the time.”
Early in the panel discussion, Smith spoke in reverential terms about LA when asked what would make the city so attractive to a football player.
I realize he is from LA, but I don't feel like rooting for him and paying his salary through season ticket renewal, if he isn't rooting for our city. I suggest he head to LA now and avoid the rush.
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The east side may very well be a bad idea, who knows, but to look at just one example: the Patriots play 40mins outside of Boston and yet they somehow are no less loved in that city. I guess the Jets/Giants playing in New Jersey is another.38N 90W wrote:You're sick of people being proud to have their own teams in their own cities and states and not in another state? People have roots and an identity. And here our sports teams are a huge part of that identity. There is nothing St. Louis about the Rams being anywhere but in St Louis city/county. Why give the money, crowds, etc to IL when it's quite easy to keep it all in Missouri? I hear all the time why our state needs more revenue.arch_genesis wrote:last thing I'll say on the Rams and Illinois, I really wish a scenario wouldn't be looked at as Missouri giving up the Rams to Illinois but keeping the Rams in St. Louis. 700,000+ of the metro area is across the river. I'd look more favorably at politicians working across state lines to get the best deal for the region, instead of arguing over one mile that separates MO and IL. I'm so sick of the fragmentation, its such a drain.
I have been hearing about why I should go to the Metro East for this and that for years upon years. No one wants to go.
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lol its one mile outside of the city. Meanwhile Wildwood is 30 miles outside of the city and was incorporated in 1995. And yet because its in St Louis County its somehow more "St. Louis" than East St. Louis? Nay, is "St. Louis" whereas East St. Louis isn't at all? Really?
This Missouri Illinois thing is stronger than I thought, unbelievable lol
This Missouri Illinois thing is stronger than I thought, unbelievable lol
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I had to be extremely measured in my original response. You did a good job of stating my thoughts.
I had to be extremely measured in my original response. You did a good job of stating my thoughts.
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An open air football stadium would bring little if any economic growth and possibly may be a net loss. It would be crazy to tie up more land downtown that has any potential for redevelopment and I think the Bottle Works site does have that potential. If a fiscally sound plan for revamping the existing EJD can be worked out, then great; otherwise get it out of downtown. And I think putting it across the river would be a splendid idea.... but I don't think there is any property that isn't tied up that would provide a good view of downtown. (I still hope Cargill silos get an artistic treatment as part of the Arch re-do.)
My sentiments exactly, a revamped EDJ is the only option downtown that makes sense to me for the city as well as the RAMS and CVC. CVC would have the EDJ and no means or finances to upgrade it if the open air stadium is built not too mention another superblock.roger wyoming II wrote:An open air football stadium would bring little if any economic growth and possibly may be a net loss. It would be crazy to tie up more land downtown that has any potential for redevelopment and I think the Bottle Works site does have that potential. If a fiscally sound plan for revamping the existing EJD can be worked out, then great; otherwise get it out of downtown. And I think putting it across the river would be a splendid idea.... but I don't think there is any property that isn't tied up that would provide a good view of downtown. (I still hope Cargill silos get an artistic treatment as part of the Arch re-do.)
The reality is if the Rams truly desire a new open air stadium they also desire a sea of surface parking lots to lock in the additional parking/tailgate revenues that would come with it. Dallas Stadium, Patriots, Meadowlands might have been built with more private money and less public money but they also secured the additional revenues. Where as Indy and now the new Minnesota stadium in part required more public funding if not mistaken.
The bigger issue going across the river is their any desire on part of Metro East politics let alone Illinois statehouse to provide financial support? My gut feeling, Metro East politics immediate concern is what the federal deficit impact will have on Scots AFB and the huge economic impact it provides for the region. I
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The Rams are not going to open a new stadium across the river. Period.
Since the Ed Jones Dome is financed by the City, County, and State, I highly doubt that they would be in favor of surrendering their investment for the team to move to IL, no matter how pretty the view.
I don't think Rams fans would want to travel to East STL for a game. No one does for any reason, really. Ask yourself, when was the last time you drove to East STL as your stated destination? What drew you there? Besides the Casino Queen and the Malcolm Martin Park, there's no draw over there.
Would people want to tailgate there? Would anyone stay after a game? Would they travel there any of the other 350 days of the year when there's nothing going on at the stadium? Where's the revenue incentive for the team? Could proximate retail be built and survive as ongoing concerns? Would the players want to drive there?
Remember the MLS failure in Collinsville?
Does the team just level the entire city and start from scratch? What about the few small businesses that are surviving; should they be discarded in eminent domain for a stadium?
Imagine 70,000 people driving on the PSB all at once after a game. Yikes.
East STL needs massive investment, and I look very forward to the time when people will be building and moving into tall apartment buildings that overlook the Downtown skyline. But that is something that will only come after the area is flush with positive economic conditions, meaning new industry in the area that will hire East STL residents. It needs massive work, and I really pray that we can see a full revitalization of that city. But until that time, the Rams will have no interest of moving there at all. Unless the City of East STL builds the stadium for them, for free, then nothing doing here. And that idea is pure fantasy...
Assuming the Rams stay, and all points point to "YES", then they'll stay in MO. No matter how cool it could look with the full skyline behind it.
Instead, think of the skyline from TBD / North STL looking south. Not too shabby.
Since the Ed Jones Dome is financed by the City, County, and State, I highly doubt that they would be in favor of surrendering their investment for the team to move to IL, no matter how pretty the view.
I don't think Rams fans would want to travel to East STL for a game. No one does for any reason, really. Ask yourself, when was the last time you drove to East STL as your stated destination? What drew you there? Besides the Casino Queen and the Malcolm Martin Park, there's no draw over there.
Would people want to tailgate there? Would anyone stay after a game? Would they travel there any of the other 350 days of the year when there's nothing going on at the stadium? Where's the revenue incentive for the team? Could proximate retail be built and survive as ongoing concerns? Would the players want to drive there?
Remember the MLS failure in Collinsville?
Does the team just level the entire city and start from scratch? What about the few small businesses that are surviving; should they be discarded in eminent domain for a stadium?
Imagine 70,000 people driving on the PSB all at once after a game. Yikes.
East STL needs massive investment, and I look very forward to the time when people will be building and moving into tall apartment buildings that overlook the Downtown skyline. But that is something that will only come after the area is flush with positive economic conditions, meaning new industry in the area that will hire East STL residents. It needs massive work, and I really pray that we can see a full revitalization of that city. But until that time, the Rams will have no interest of moving there at all. Unless the City of East STL builds the stadium for them, for free, then nothing doing here. And that idea is pure fantasy...
Assuming the Rams stay, and all points point to "YES", then they'll stay in MO. No matter how cool it could look with the full skyline behind it.
Instead, think of the skyline from TBD / North STL looking south. Not too shabby.
Which is why I always semi-seriously suggest that St. Louis annex East St. Louis! That would be national -- if not international! -- news if the City could swing that deal.gone corporate wrote:The Rams are not going to open a new stadium across the river. Period.
Since the Ed Jones Dome is financed by the City, County, and State, I highly doubt that they would be in favor of surrendering their investment for the team to move to IL, no matter how pretty the view.
I don't think Rams fans would want to travel to East STL for a game. No one does for any reason, really. Ask yourself, when was the last time you drove to East STL as your stated destination? What drew you there? Besides the Casino Queen and the Malcolm Martin Park, there's no draw over there.
Would people want to tailgate there? Would anyone stay after a game? Would they travel there any of the other 350 days of the year when there's nothing going on at the stadium? Where's the revenue incentive for the team? Could proximate retail be built and survive as ongoing concerns? Would the players want to drive there?
Remember the MLS failure in Collinsville?
Does the team just level the entire city and start from scratch? What about the few small businesses that are surviving; should they be discarded in eminent domain for a stadium?
Imagine 70,000 people driving on the PSB all at once after a game. Yikes.
East STL needs massive investment, and I look very forward to the time when people will be building and moving into tall apartment buildings that overlook the Downtown skyline. But that is something that will only come after the area is flush with positive economic conditions, meaning new industry in the area that will hire East STL residents. It needs massive work, and I really pray that we can see a full revitalization of that city. But until that time, the Rams will have no interest of moving there at all. Unless the City of East STL builds the stadium for them, for free, then nothing doing here. And that idea is pure fantasy...
As I said in a previous forum thread (Embracing Blasphemy and If You Could Redraw the STL City Boundary), there are obvious reasons that Illinois would balk -- namely tax revenue from the Casino Queen and loss of inland points of port -- and several reasons it might not. But if you could swing an adjusted scale of revenue (say, 100% casino tax revenue to IL for years 1-3 with continued IL civil support, a 50-50 split the next three, and full MO ownership thereafter), get simultaneous East St. Louis/St. Louis voter approval above 60% and agreement in both legislatures (and nationally, I guess?), then sure, why not...
Then you're once again centering the City around the river -- both sides of it! -- and then get that fancy new open-air football stadium over there, with all profits heading STL's way. And hopefully the bold, forward-looking action of a City voluntarily taking on an area with such an ingrained stigma...and actively bettering it...would encourage new development and renewed interest on both sides of the Mississippi River.
A fool's hope, I know. But I would love to see this City have the balls to make a move like that. Rams in St. Louis East in 2022!
Gone Corporate, on your first comment about CVC, City and County trying to protect their interest in keeping the RAMS I think your right ongone corporate wrote:The Rams are not going to open a new stadium across the river. Period.
Since the Ed Jones Dome is financed by the City, County, and State, I highly doubt that they would be in favor of surrendering their investment for the team to move to IL, no matter how pretty the view.
I don't think Rams fans would want to travel to East STL for a game. No one does for any reason, really. Ask yourself, when was the last time you drove to East STL as your stated destination? What drew you there? Besides the Casino Queen and the Malcolm Martin Park, there's no draw over there.
Would people want to tailgate there? Would anyone stay after a game? Would they travel there any of the other 350 days of the year when there's nothing going on at the stadium? Where's the revenue incentive for the team? Could proximate retail be built and survive as ongoing concerns? Would the players want to drive there?
Remember the MLS failure in Collinsville?
Does the team just level the entire city and start from scratch? What about the few small businesses that are surviving; should they be discarded in eminent domain for a stadium?
Imagine 70,000 people driving on the PSB all at once after a game. Yikes.
As far as rest of your commments..... little confused
St. Louis or East St. Louis, Ram Fans will drive to where the stadium is. Seriously, Do you honestly think season ticket holders and fans will quite going to games because they have to drive across a bridge and park in a big secure parking lot? Heck, their is a pretty big crowd that would rather have one big secure parking lot to tailgate and walk to the game.
Second, I can't quote numbers, but seriously how many people stay in downtown after the game? Even if they came in, caught a hotel room it is still a quick run over and back again. Once again, what would be different?
Why even bring up MLS? that is not even in the same league as NFL on all fronts in terms of financing and owners, so on. Heck the NFL has been loaning owners upt to $200 million a stadium where as MLS has been using new team franchise fees to support the league itself.
As far as PSB, you can still have metrolink access, their is more than one bridge and the New Mississippi River Bridge will be built well before a stadium will be built. So confused why you would make a statement about 70,000 people trying to cross PSB. That sounds more like the sky is falling PD comments when MoDOT closed Hwy 40
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I don't get the anti-East Side argument at all. NFL fans will travel. Not a single person in Boston or New England ever had a reason to go to Foxboro before Patriot Place was built. It sits on a four lane Rt. 1. How many lanes would be needed to accommodate 60K+ fans at once? 24? 30? Every NFL stadium location has "traffic issues". There would be back-ups, but no place is better connected via Interstates - 55/44/64/70/270, plus transit access. Gosh, I kinda like the idea...
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Its the Missouri-Illinois thing - its scrambles peoples' brains. lol 70,000 people on PSB? Gillette Stadium sits on 350 acres and that only accommodates 14,000 parking spots. An eastside stadium on a 300 acre site (river, eads, psb, highways) would have approximately 10,000 parking spots, give or take. Very Respectable.Alex Ihnen wrote:I don't get the anti-East Side argument at all. NFL fans will travel. Not a single person in Boston or New England ever had a reason to go to Foxboro before Patriot Place was built. It sits on a four lane Rt. 1. How many lanes would be needed to accommodate 60K+ fans at once? 24? 30? Every NFL stadium location has "traffic issues". There would be back-ups, but no place is better connected via Interstates - 55/44/64/70/270, plus transit access. Gosh, I kinda like the idea...
And Rams fans will tell you if they're going to spend any taxpayer money on a new stadium, it by George better have parking. And nobody here wants to see Downtown or even North St. Louis ripped up for 10,000 parking spots.
Its the Missouri-Illinois divide, I don't get it. I've tailgated at Casino Queen before (its free and they'll bus you to the dome) and I've had more than a few people tell me it would be a great site for a new stadium. Pretty views and all. Its a longshot but the synergy on game day between the Archgrounds and the River and tailgating would be amazing, I think.
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edit: Arrowhead Stadium sits on 220 acres, and has 26,000 parking spots. So squeezing in as many as 20,000 parking spots is easily be doable across the river. Still, nowhere near 70,000 cars.
In response to Steve Smith's remarks about his/other Rams players' wanting the team to move to Los Angeles, here is what St. Louis Ram great Torry Holt had to say on the Ryan Kelly Morning After radio show on AM 590 the Fan, KFNS:
In related news...
Jim Thomas is the St. Louis Post-Dispatch beat writer assigned to cover the Rams. For what it's worth, here's what he had to say in his weekly chat today...
Question: Jim, Are you as confident as Burwell and Bernie that the Rams stay in St. Louis? You have said 60/40 they say but those guys are very confident. To be honest I dont understand why they take everything Demoff says at face value. What is the guys supposed to say? He has to sell PSL's and jerseys....
JT: I'll just say they're talking to more people than Kevin Demoff. And partly from what I'm hearing, I'm raising the odds to 65-35.
Source: http://live.stltoday.com/Event/Thread.aspx?Id=78914
He's been quite firmly 50/50 in the past, then 60/40. He's now upping the odds to 65-35.
There must be something going on behind the scenes. Nice to see.
Source:"We don't even need to talk about this because I don't even think he will be on the roster for 2013. Cause Steve Smith, in my opinion, didn't do anything for the St. Louis Rams. And even when he got in the game he dropped plenty of balls, looked disinterested, couldn't get separation, couldn't catch the football. I don't even think he will be on the 2013 roster so there's no need to even to talk about Steve Smith and what he wishes for the St. Louis Rams organization in terms of moving to Los Angeles. So yeah, I don't even want to discuss that."
In related news...
Jim Thomas is the St. Louis Post-Dispatch beat writer assigned to cover the Rams. For what it's worth, here's what he had to say in his weekly chat today...
Question: Jim, Are you as confident as Burwell and Bernie that the Rams stay in St. Louis? You have said 60/40 they say but those guys are very confident. To be honest I dont understand why they take everything Demoff says at face value. What is the guys supposed to say? He has to sell PSL's and jerseys....
JT: I'll just say they're talking to more people than Kevin Demoff. And partly from what I'm hearing, I'm raising the odds to 65-35.
Source: http://live.stltoday.com/Event/Thread.aspx?Id=78914
He's been quite firmly 50/50 in the past, then 60/40. He's now upping the odds to 65-35.
There must be something going on behind the scenes. Nice to see.
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I am a charter Rams PSL holder and I would go wherever the team is within the metro area. Metro East or even Wentzville. But I told the Rams I would not renew this year if the dome situation Is not resolved in favor of the Rams staying in the city or the area for the next 10 years.
I will concede that the Rams have been coy about committing to the area publicly in order to squeeze the most money tHey can from local fans and taxpayers to gold plate the place where the team plays. But after arbitration, I will need at least some concrete words of commitment to our metro area, or I will believe he plans to move to LA and I will not renew.
I will concede that the Rams have been coy about committing to the area publicly in order to squeeze the most money tHey can from local fans and taxpayers to gold plate the place where the team plays. But after arbitration, I will need at least some concrete words of commitment to our metro area, or I will believe he plans to move to LA and I will not renew.
As a staunch non-racing guy...
...what do we think about Gateway Speedway? Plenty of parking/land, good interstate access. Hell, they could even build around some of the existing seating if need be.
...what do we think about Gateway Speedway? Plenty of parking/land, good interstate access. Hell, they could even build around some of the existing seating if need be.
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^ Right. As I understand it, the place was built in the hopes of luring a major NASCAR race here, but it didn't happen. Since then, NASCAR has waned a bit. It's not this simple, but there does appear to be quite a bit of land in the area. If only we could act as a metro region...
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I'm personally not a fan of the gateway speedway location. It doesn't stir my soul as a football fan. We're not going to host any Super Bowls there. I can't hop on a water taxi and get there, no rams marching band is going to lead a parade of fans there. All the activities an active riverfront can provide/encourage won't be available there. Its just space, no proximity to downtown, no pretty views. Nothing. Its enough to drive a man to drink. Damnit men, the best river in the world is at our doorstep.
If this region doesn't have the vision to tear down the grain elevators and tear out the gateway geyser and build on its great river, then the Rams might as well stay in the dome.
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I get chills thinking about a new Rams stadium being here. It says I'm proud enough to put this beautiful city in front of 70,000 naked eyeballs and millions more on screen. This is St. Louis and it is in your face and it will not be ignored, so take it in. $#!# the 49ers, Go Rams.
If this region doesn't have the vision to tear down the grain elevators and tear out the gateway geyser and build on its great river, then the Rams might as well stay in the dome.
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I get chills thinking about a new Rams stadium being here. It says I'm proud enough to put this beautiful city in front of 70,000 naked eyeballs and millions more on screen. This is St. Louis and it is in your face and it will not be ignored, so take it in. $#!# the 49ers, Go Rams.
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? I love the grain elevators - OK, so I'm in the minority there, but they are actually part of the working riverfront, you know, jobs, businesses. And why wouldn't we host a superbowl at that location? Indy did a great downtown superbowl and New Orleans stadium is downtown, but many, others are way out in the middle of nowhere - Dallas, Miami...
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I really like your passion. On game days Eads Bridge could be turned into Rams Bridge and opened to pedestrians with a festive atmosphere. And a signature stadium hosting a winning team would boost the image of Saint Louis and metro East. But I think it is the longest of long shots; land assemblage being just one issue. I do hope Cargill gets the elevators dressed up as part of the Arch re-do.arch_genesis wrote: If this region doesn't have the vision to tear down the grain elevators and tear out the gateway geyser and build on its great river, then the Rams might as well stay in the dome.
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I get chills thinking about a new Rams stadium being here. It says I'm proud enough to put this beautiful city in front of 70,000 naked eyeballs and millions more on screen. This is St. Louis and it is in your face and it will not be ignored, so take it in. $#!# the 49ers, Go Rams.
Just so its not an open air stadium in The Bottleworks District and not on the dime of taxpayers. Earlier, Demoff also said the goal was to get a signature facility to attract a Super Bowl and other big time events. Seems to me that only a dome can do that, which gives me further reason to believe that Bernie was off in his prediction of an open air stadium in TBD.rawest1 wrote: Jim Thomas is the St. Louis Post-Dispatch beat writer assigned to cover the Rams. For what it's worth, here's what he had to say in his weekly chat today...
Question: Jim, Are you as confident as Burwell and Bernie that the Rams stay in St. Louis? You have said 60/40 they say but those guys are very confident. To be honest I dont understand why they take everything Demoff says at face value. What is the guys supposed to say? He has to sell PSL's and jerseys....
JT: I'll just say they're talking to more people than Kevin Demoff. And partly from what I'm hearing, I'm raising the odds to 65-35.
Source: http://live.stltoday.com/Event/Thread.aspx?Id=78914
He's been quite firmly 50/50 in the past, then 60/40. He's now upping the odds to 65-35.
There must be something going on behind the scenes. Nice to see.
It's quite clear from looking at Minnesota, more recently Atlanta, et. al. that the precedent has been set that there will be a $1B retractable roof-type stadium with a taxpayer contribution of about a third.roger wyoming II wrote:Just so its not an open air stadium in The Bottleworks District and not on the dime of taxpayers. Earlier, Demoff also said the goal was to get a signature facility to attract a Super Bowl and other big time events. Seems to me that only a dome can do that, which gives me further reason to believe that Bernie was off in his prediction of an open air stadium in TBD.rawest1 wrote: Jim Thomas is the St. Louis Post-Dispatch beat writer assigned to cover the Rams. For what it's worth, here's what he had to say in his weekly chat today...
Question: Jim, Are you as confident as Burwell and Bernie that the Rams stay in St. Louis? You have said 60/40 they say but those guys are very confident. To be honest I dont understand why they take everything Demoff says at face value. What is the guys supposed to say? He has to sell PSL's and jerseys....
JT: I'll just say they're talking to more people than Kevin Demoff. And partly from what I'm hearing, I'm raising the odds to 65-35.
Source: http://live.stltoday.com/Event/Thread.aspx?Id=78914
He's been quite firmly 50/50 in the past, then 60/40. He's now upping the odds to 65-35.
There must be something going on behind the scenes. Nice to see.
Question is where.
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If that is the plan there is a good chance voters turn it down. $300 million in public funding would be hugely controversial and I think this time around an uphill climb.rawest1 wrote: It's quite clear from looking at Minnesota, more recently Atlanta, et. al. that the precedent has been set that there will be a $1B retractable roof-type stadium with a taxpayer contribution of about a third.
Question is where.
Maybe. I think you could sell the taxpayers on potential Superbowls, NCAA tourneys, Olympic trials, etc.
Yeah and voters overwhelmingly struck down financing for the stadium in Minnesota. A bill was struck down in the legislature for new Busch Stadium here in the early 2000's. One way or another, public financing plans still come together and these stadiums get built.roger wyoming II wrote:If that is the plan there is a good chance voters turn it down. $300 million in public funding would be hugely controversial and I think this time around an uphill climb.rawest1 wrote: It's quite clear from looking at Minnesota, more recently Atlanta, et. al. that the precedent has been set that there will be a $1B retractable roof-type stadium with a taxpayer contribution of about a third.
Question is where.
When you consider the amount of Missouri/St. Louis area politicians on both sides of the aisle that are on Stan Kroenke's bankroll, you gotta figure one way or another they'll get the deal done. It may not be next year; it may not even be in a few years. It'll happen.
Like I said: Question is, where?
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Agreed.rawest1 wrote:It's quite clear from looking at Minnesota, more recently Atlanta, et. al. that the precedent has been set that there will be a $1B retractable roof-type stadium with a taxpayer contribution of about a third.roger wyoming II wrote:Just so its not an open air stadium in The Bottleworks District and not on the dime of taxpayers. Earlier, Demoff also said the goal was to get a signature facility to attract a Super Bowl and other big time events. Seems to me that only a dome can do that, which gives me further reason to believe that Bernie was off in his prediction of an open air stadium in TBD.rawest1 wrote: Jim Thomas is the St. Louis Post-Dispatch beat writer assigned to cover the Rams. For what it's worth, here's what he had to say in his weekly chat today...
Question: Jim, Are you as confident as Burwell and Bernie that the Rams stay in St. Louis? You have said 60/40 they say but those guys are very confident. To be honest I dont understand why they take everything Demoff says at face value. What is the guys supposed to say? He has to sell PSL's and jerseys....
JT: I'll just say they're talking to more people than Kevin Demoff. And partly from what I'm hearing, I'm raising the odds to 65-35.
Source: http://live.stltoday.com/Event/Thread.aspx?Id=78914
He's been quite firmly 50/50 in the past, then 60/40. He's now upping the odds to 65-35.
There must be something going on behind the scenes. Nice to see.
Question is where.
Setting aside the multiple downtown river crossing and the fact that many people would be coming from the north and south on 255, you assume that everyone coming to the game would be from Missouri and crossing the river.Imagine 70,000 people driving on the PSB all at once after a game. Yikes.
No wonder East Siders have a chip on their collective shoulder.