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PostOct 07, 2010#351

Steven Jackson is the man, great interview, here are some excerpts

http://www.sj39.com/contest/architecture/interview
Over the course of his career, Steven Jackson has shown a remarkable ability to build upon his natural football talents, dissecting and analyzing his game with a craftsmanlike attention to detail, looking at every angle to improve.

So perhaps it isn't all that surprising that one of the Pro Bowl running back's lifelong passions is architecture. As SJ39 revealed in an interview exclusively for his web site, http://www.sj39.com, his interest in design began at an early age, and continued through his college studies at Oregon State.
Q: Where do you see this interest in architecture taking you once your football career is over?

A: I definitely want to practice architecture. I want to have my own firm. I’m very interested in the residential side of architecture, more so than landscaping or commercial architecture. That goes to the appreciation I have, knowing that people in America value a home.
Q: How about in St. Louis, what do you think of the architecture there?

St. Louis’ architecture has a lot of European influence I guess you’d say. There are a lot of beautiful Catholic churches. It’s a city that has a lot of travelers coming through it, heading West by way of Union Station. There’s a lot of history there and it was once the world’s biggest and busiest transport station.

Of course you have the arch. I think it’s amazing that after all of this time it’s still standing. When it was built, it was the Gateway to the West. It’s a symbol of opportunity. It’s an iconic piece of art that without saying anything, it kind of says a lot.
http://www.sj39.com/contest/architecture

Love this guy, love this team, never knew he was interested in architecture, I wonder if he lurks around the forums? I wanna hang out with Steven Jackson and talk football and architecture.
Q: Now we’ve announced the architectural tour of St, Louis contest, where did this idea come from?

A: I just feel like St. Louis has such great architecture. But there are so many important buildings that a lot of people drive by daily but don’t know the history or even realize what it is. Sometimes you just need to shine light on certain things that some people find appreciation for while others don’t. But if you shine a little light on it, those other people might find appreciation somewhere in their heart for it.

I also wanted to show off the beauty of St, Louis. It’s a city that I’ve been living in for seven years now and I’m greatly appreciative of the community, the way they have embraced me. This gives us another way to educate people, not only on Rams football and the sport, but to also to educate them on the city of the team that I represent.

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PostOct 07, 2010#352

Awesome. Now I can appreciate him for more than just football. Thanks for sharing.

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PostOct 07, 2010#353

That's pretty cool but I think SJ needs a bit more learnin' if he's surprised that the Arch is still standing after all these 45 years.

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PostOct 07, 2010#354

Maybe he is surprised because it hasn't been torn torn for a parking lot :)

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PostDec 13, 2010#355

I have been hearing a lot of negativity on the radio, TV and people in general, after teh Rams loss in NO yesterday. I think people forget that the Rams were 1-15 last year, that Sam Bradford is a rookie and the team is rebuilding. Manning, Aikman etc.....had bad rookie years. Bradford is having a good rookie year. Fans need to keep these things in mind. The Rams are building something special. They are going about it the right way. This regime is making good moves and Kroenke has solidified the ownership situation. Look for the Rams to be very good next year. They may even get Sam Bradford some playoff experience this season, which would be a huge bonus.

PostDec 30, 2010#356

Sunday will be the biggest game in recent memory, for the Rams. Let's hope this franchise can take the first big step and make the playoffs. I know 8-8 is not ideal and that the defending Super Bowl champ Saints will likely be the first round opponent, but let's think back to 1-15 one last time, then look ahead at the bright future I think this franchise could have. I think this season is the first step in keeping the Rams here in St. Louis. Let's hope this season is a stepping stone and by the time the Dome lease is up, the Rams are an annual contender, selling out the Dome every game. Then the prospect of moving will be an afterthought.

GO RAMS!!!!!!!

PostJan 03, 2011#357

Well, I can think of a few words to describe Sunday's game:
Pathetic- Offensive play calling, 11 touches for SJ. Mostly pass plays 3-5 yards.
Overmatched- Seahawks came to play, the Rams did not. Rams overmatched by one of the worst defenses in the NFL.
Inexcusable-Play calling, lack of preparedness, 'deer in headlight' play of team overall, poor coaching
Disappointing-That the Rams in general, did not come to play. They got beat soundly, by a bad 7-9 team. Then again, the Rams ended up being a bad 7-9 team.

Even though the game suked and the way the Rams lost is tough to swallow, with some infusion of Kroenke cash, good drafting and changes in either coaching staff or coaching philisophy, this team should make the playoffs next year. Add a receiver or 2, an outside linebacker, a backup running back and few other components and this team should be ready to get over the hump.

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PostJan 03, 2011#358

Yeah, the game was painful. But looking at the glass half full, our draft pick for next year went from 21st had we made the playoffs to 11th now that we're out of it.

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PostJan 03, 2011#359

^Maybe the site I searched this morning is wrong, but it said we had the 14th overall pick in this years draft.

Not sure what site, but I googled "2011 NFL draft order"

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PostJan 03, 2011#360

That they "should" make the playoffs seems a bit of a stretch. They aren't that good and their only chance is a weak division

Rams do have the 14th pick.

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PostJan 03, 2011#361

^ I think they 'could' make the playoffs. Assuming they make the right moves, they 'should' ( the moves I suggested in my last post ) They have a few foundation players to build on and they actually have talent now.. ie...Bradford, Laurinaitis
Long, Saffold etc.... they need to have a strong draft, sign some "quality" free agents and build around Bradford. The D will only get better in the 3rd year of the regime.
As you stated, they play in a weak division, that should stay that way. The Seahawks and Cardinals will be rebuilding. The 49ers could be good. They have the most talent, but no quarterback. If they get a coach, system and QB, they could be the favorite.
I am VERY cautiously optimistic.

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PostApr 23, 2011#363

gary kreie wrote:Stan Kroenke article in Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0509/ ... newsletter
He is all over the sports media news since making a run at the English soccer club, I guess when your not going broke by levaraging a Texas stadium for real estate deals or fighting over ownership of a California baseball team with your exwife you tend to stay out of the news.

Still, St Louis and Missouri for that matter really needs to think hard on the lessons that can be learned from his success in Denver and what his is business intentions are for the Rams. The Forbes article lays out nicely on how he has succeeded in the sports business. First, promoting a NBA team for KC just gets you two pro sports franchises across the state from each other with weak financials. Second, A NFL team will show up in LA after the lockout - Minneapolis, Jacksonville and even Rams is a possibility.

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PostApr 24, 2011#364

from that article it sounds like Scottrade, and the Blues specifically need an extra tenant. Yes. an NBA team. The Blues were ranked 8th in attendance yet can't turn a profit. Nothing new. The Blues have been for sale dozens of times. They've been at the top in attendance dozens of times (even when NOT giving half-off season tickets). The Denver Nuggets were ranked 16th in attendance the Avalanche were ranked 25th in attendance, yet according to this article are valued well beyond what you'd expect.
Long before he bought Arsenal Kroenke had proved he understood that stadium economics could be more important than winning when it comes to making money. In 2000 he bought the Nuggets, the Avalanche and the Pepsi Center, the arena the two teams play in, from Ascent Entertainment for $404 million. The gem in the deal was the Pepsi Center, which opened the year before Kroenke bought it at a cost of $180 million. Owning the arena and its two tenants made it relatively easy for Kroenke to sell its 95 luxury suites and 1,900 club seats.

Denver's Nuggets and Avalanche have reached the finals only once between them (in 2001 when the Avalanche won the Stanley Cup) while Kroenke has owned them. Yet today FORBES reckons the two teams combined are worth $514 million, an unusually rich valuation for a small market. A big reason: They generate over $25 million a year in premium seating revenue. Contrast that with stand-alone hockey teams (New York Islanders, St. Louis Blues) or basketball teams (Sacramento Kings, Minnesota Timberwolves). All are seeking investors or new homes because they lack the stadium revenue Kroenke's two teams yield.
The Blues need an NBA team. I know people don't want to hear that but that article pretty much says so.

Two bitter enemies looking at one another as competition, instead of how they can work together to the benefit of both. Sounds like a familiar narrative around these parts.

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PostApr 24, 2011#365

arch_genesis wrote:from that article it sounds like Scottrade, and the Blues specifically need an extra tenant. Yes. an NBA team. The Blues were ranked 8th in attendance yet can't turn a profit. Nothing new. The Blues have been for sale dozens of times. They've been at the top in attendance dozens of times (even when NOT giving half-off season tickets). The Denver Nuggets were ranked 16th in attendance the Avalanche were ranked 25th in attendance, yet according to this article are valued well beyond what you'd expect.
Long before he bought Arsenal Kroenke had proved he understood that stadium economics could be more important than winning when it comes to making money. In 2000 he bought the Nuggets, the Avalanche and the Pepsi Center, the arena the two teams play in, from Ascent Entertainment for $404 million. The gem in the deal was the Pepsi Center, which opened the year before Kroenke bought it at a cost of $180 million. Owning the arena and its two tenants made it relatively easy for Kroenke to sell its 95 luxury suites and 1,900 club seats.

Denver's Nuggets and Avalanche have reached the finals only once between them (in 2001 when the Avalanche won the Stanley Cup) while Kroenke has owned them. Yet today FORBES reckons the two teams combined are worth $514 million, an unusually rich valuation for a small market. A big reason: They generate over $25 million a year in premium seating revenue. Contrast that with stand-alone hockey teams (New York Islanders, St. Louis Blues) or basketball teams (Sacramento Kings, Minnesota Timberwolves). All are seeking investors or new homes because they lack the stadium revenue Kroenke's two teams yield.
The Blues need an NBA team. I know people don't want to hear that but that article pretty much says so.

Two bitter enemies looking at one another as competition, instead of how they can work together to the benefit of both. Sounds like a familiar narrative around these parts.
Yes Denver has all 4 major sports teams and they all draw successfully. But Denver is a regional draw and pull in fans from pretty much all the Rocky Mountain states. A market our size just can't support 4 major sports teams.

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PostApr 25, 2011#366

dweebe wrote:Yes Denver has all 4 major sports teams and they all draw successfully. But Denver is a regional draw and pull in fans from pretty much all the Rocky Mountain states. A market our size just can't support 4 major sports teams.
^ Not really what Arch was trying to convey or the premise of the article:

"The Denver Nuggets were ranked 16th in attendance the Avalanche were ranked 25th in attendance, yet according to this article are valued well beyond what you'd expect."

Or: Denver is a smaller market than St. Louis, the attendance for both the Nuggets and Avalanche is mediocre at best, yet they're financially successful because of the synergy between the two teams playing in the same venue.

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PostApr 25, 2011#367

I understood the article differently. It sounds to me like it has more to do with Stan owning the Pepsi Center than it does owning multiple teams.

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PostApr 25, 2011#368

^ From the article:

"Denver's Nuggets and Avalanche have reached the finals only once between them (in 2001 when the Avalanche won the Stanley Cup) while Kroenke has owned them. Yet today FORBES reckons the two teams combined are worth $514 million, an unusually rich valuation for a small market. A big reason: They generate over $25 million a year in premium seating revenue. Contrast that with stand-alone hockey teams (New York Islanders, St. Louis Blues) or basketball teams (Sacramento Kings, Minnesota Timberwolves). All are seeking investors or new homes because they lack the stadium revenue Kroenke's two teams yield."

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PostApr 25, 2011#369

^I thought it was all of the above...That Mr. Kroenke owns a state of the art arena and owns two major tenants of the facility with which he can generate revenue...Especially club level and private box revenue...That results in a profitable portfolio...

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^^Right...

^ Was meant for ^^^

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PostApr 25, 2011#371

the count wrote:Or: Denver is a smaller market than St. Louis...
You brought this up during the airport discussion, and it struck me as odd. It appears it depends upon how you count. Denver is still smaller than St. Louis on an MSA basis, but if you broaden out to CSA (they get Boulder and Greeley, we get Farmington), then in 2010, they jumped past us, 3.1M to 2.9M.

And Denver's equivalent of the RCGA fudges Fort Collins (slightly farther from its downtown than Warrenton is from ours, and closer than Farmington) into its numbers. That bumps it up to about 3.4M.

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PostApr 25, 2011#372

^This is really semantics.

In the airport discussion someone stated (maybe it was you, I don't remember) that St. Louis is just too small a metro area for a big hub like TWA operated here to be viable.
As a response I offered that Denver is a smaller area (which it is according Census 2010 MSA numbers) but is doing just fine as a huge United hub. In fact, it's the 10th busiest airport in the world. Even if we call the Denver area slightly larger (CSA) than STL, DEN Int'l Airport handled 52 million passengers in 2010 compared to our 12 million. Do you see my point?

Back on topic: the same goes for the current discussion. In an area roughly the same size they support 5 pro sports teams. The article talks about the benefits of having one owner, one arena and the synergy of two teams which could work equally well in the STL market.

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PostApr 25, 2011#373

I'd say 500,000 more potential fans is more than mere "semantics."

The point that the ownership synergies make a difference is clearly valid. But it's not the only consideration. The oversimplified math says that -- allowing for the "semantics" -- STL has slightly more than 700,000 people per team and Denver has slightly fewer than 700,000.

Plus, Denver has been growing, and is projected to continue to grow, more than twice as fast as St. Louis. The Denver RCGA-like group is projecting 3.8M by 2030 (ex-Fort Collins, so arguably >4M by the "semantic" numbers). We'll be lucky to hit 3.2M

At what point *do* these numbers have any impact on the discussion?

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PostApr 25, 2011#374

Denver is also a state capital. How many of those well-sold luxury boxes are for lobbying and other political glad handing?

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PostApr 25, 2011#375

I'd imagine a large percentage of Denver's traffic can be attributed to it being the ski capital of North America. Many of the flights in the winter are vacationers I'd assume.

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