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goat314 wrote:Riverfront stadium with Arch view sounds awesome, but building an strictly open-air stadium seems like a bad move. A retractable roof would give us way more flexibility.

Can you even see the arch from the lot in question?

wustl_eng wrote:I like the idea of a riverfront stadium... but at what cost to the city and taxpayers, and for what? I haven't really been following the move talk too closely, but why would the owners be persuaded to stay just because of a new stadium? Isn't the issue the market size? You can build a fancy new thing and give them a boatload of money, but at the end of the day L.A. has a metro population 6 times that of St. Louis.

Because it's going to cost them like $2.5 billion in moving expenses, and the NFL shares a LOT of its revenue. So while an LA team will likely see an increase in team value and a long-term increase in profit, that's less meaningful for an aging man that isn't going to sell the team.

I'm not saying he won't move, just saying LA isn't an easily better situation in his scenario. It's a very long-term move.

Market size in the NFL doesn't matter as much as other leagues like baseball where each team has it own TV deal with a regional network, there is no such thing in the NFL. When rams get good again, the amount of fans in this metro area plus all the way to jeff city springfield mo and Illinois there would be a same amount of people as LA because you have to split LA in 2 if LA has 2 teams like everyone is talking about. Stan can get a much better deal here

roger wyoming II wrote:

moorlander wrote:

goat314 wrote:Riverfront stadium with Arch view sounds awesome, but building an strictly open-air stadium seems like a bad move. A retractable roof would give us way more flexibility.

Can you even see the arch from the lot in question?

sure, but its not the classic straight on view.... gotta go across the river if you want to have a crisper view from a riverfront stadium.

I figured the Mohawk would be in the way.

Based on this survey, cost of attending a game in LA will be so high that it would almost be cheaper for the LA fans to leave the team in St. Louis and just fly here to see them. We'll sell you the name LA Rams. Like the New York teams that play in New Jersey. 99.5% of Los Angelenos (all but 100K/18,000,000) will have to watch the team on TV anyway, as they do now.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-tickets/

In fact, if the Rams leave, why don't we pay Khan a bunch of money to rename his team the St. Louis Jaguars. Then we can watch our team on TV and not really care where the hell they actually play the games. London, Mexico City, St. Louis, Jacksonville, Hong Kong.

Rams are staying here which i think is great but then again it could very much come back to bite me in arse.
St.Louis's situation is completely different than Oakland and San Diego.
Both those cities completely don't have no interest in building new facilities for both their respective teams.
Atleast here we're making an effort to keep the team where it belongs right here in St.Louis !
Then again take what i say with a grain of salt cause my prediction on the Rams finishing 9-7 are about pretty much over with plus with injuries piling up id be surprised this team wins another game even Oakland will have a good chance at beating the Rams.. 2-14??? 3-13???4-12???

https://jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.ph ... _id=543113

http://thebiglead.com/2014/07/31/jaguar ... a-coconut/

This guy actually comes out in public, has a personality, unlike Stan.

When I see articles like this, it just angers me. I think, we could have an NFL owner that cares about our city, invests in it, comes out in public, shows a personality....etc...etc... everything Stan Kroenke does not do. Not only is he investing in Jacksonville, but he could have spearheaded getting MLS in STL. I want to cuss very loudly, when I think about what could have been if Shad got the Rams. Instead, we get to deal with what we currently have. I quiet owner that is likely going to move the team out of his home state.

I don't think being mad will get any of us far.
Is he also being the same way towards his soccer team real madrid I'm probably wrong on that?
I really wish Khan was awarded the rights to the Rams but at the same time do you really think Khan would get the same cooperation from the state and regional leaders such Kroenke's getting?
I completely believe this team is Staying here in St.Louis. Is Kroenke really going to want to drop nearly 2 billion or more in relocation fees also he'll likely have to help build a LA stadium which is probably another billion. He's wiser to stay put and keep 2 billion in his pocket than marching off to LA

^Khan's team is Fulham.

Considering none of us really know what kind of cooperation Stan is getting from local officials, it would be premature to say he is getting a better deal here. Khan is out there, in the public, investing his dollars. I'm sure local officials would love that. I think he would have done well here in St. Louis. Just think, he might be investing big dollars in vacant buildings here and start-up groups. I'm just basing that on what he's done in JAX.

I personally think Khan would of been the perfect fit for the Rams cause he seemed to be very interested in investing his dollars here in St.Louis besides does he have a company not too far from here ? Rams are my home team and it disturbs me to see people say let them go cause thats the wrong attitude to have socially if we're competing against similar sized cities. I know they been awful but we need good spirits here good news for a change

^Flex-N-Gate is located in Urbana.

I totally agree. Our fanbase has been wrongly labeled as a poor fanbase. The historically bad losing that we have experienced here, is the reason. The Rams are to blame!

If reports are correct, regarding the LA market, STL is an afterthought in the mind of the NFL. The empty seats every week, do not help that poor perception. Again, I think it is unfair to characterize us as bad fans, considering the epic losing and instability we've faced over the years. However, to play devil's advocate, the Browns and Raiders fanbases remain loyal, even though they've won nada, over that same time period.

Rams pick up Mark Barron via Trade with the Bucs. 2012 7th overall pick, safety out of Alabama.

^They need offensive lineman!

DogtownBnR wrote:If reports are correct, regarding the LA market, STL is an afterthought in the mind of the NFL. The empty seats every week, do not help that poor perception. Again, I think it is unfair to characterize us as bad fans, considering the epic losing and instability we've faced over the years. However, to play devil's advocate, the Browns and Raiders fanbases remain loyal, even though they've won nada, over that same time period.

Raiders are 31st in league attendance. Browns are 20th. (Rams are 29th.)

No fan bases show up for horrible teams, but you have an added advantage if you've cultivated a fan base over years and years and years. The Rams have done nothing of the sort.

Relatively short time in St. Louis. Terrible football short of a very brief run. Absolutely brutal regional marketing until a couple of seasons ago.

They created this mess.

They have created this epic mess. I don't like the fact the McClellan has the nerve to call Rams fans the worse fans in all of football. Why does he even live here? He seems to do more bashing St.Louis way too often. If you don't like it here then go back where you came from. Lets not kid ourselves here even when the Chiefs had a few years of bad football the fans stadium wasn't packed at all here we've been dealing with 10 years of losing and not to think next year will be #11.This is why the Cardinals and Blues are more popular cause they win games albeit the Blues problems are the jinx in the playoffs.

Raiders are 31st in league attendance. Browns are 20th. (Rams are 29th.)

No fan bases show up for horrible teams, but you have an added advantage if you've cultivated a fan base over years and years and years. The Rams have done nothing of the sort.

Relatively short time in St. Louis. Terrible football short of a very brief run. Absolutely brutal regional marketing until a couple of seasons ago.

I agree, that we are not that much worse, numbers-wise, but there is another huge factor. ( I preface this by saying this characterization is VERY unfair). I think there is a national perception, that we are a bad fanbase, due to the empty seats for the opener, empty seats since then and especially the empty seats on MNF. I also think that the national media LOVES to put the 'STL is a baseball town' label on us. While a I agree, I think we are a 'sports town' , not just baseball.
While in Oakland for example, they have the hardcore crazy fans & the Dog Pound in Cleveland. The NFL wanted football in Cleveland so bad, they were immediately awarded an expansion franchise, as was Indy. I HIGHLY doubt the NFL would ever do that for STL. It is a perception thing, going back to the Big Red, I guess. The real truth is that STL fans have been tortured by bad football, minus the Coryell and Greatest Show eras. Over decades, that equates to less than 10 great seasons. (1960-1987 & 1995-present). That wears out football fans. I know that STL can fill a stadium, if the team is competitive. The Rams were that talk of the town, during the GSOT era. Since then, bad drafts, bad free agent signings and coaching hires, have killed the organization and fanbase. I put the blame 100% on the Rams organization, for fielding such a terrible product, historically terrible. HOWEVER, that does not mean that nationally, our fanbase isn't perceived negatively, unfair or not.

runbch wrote:Not many teams can survive losing their franchise qb straight out of the gate especially if your team isn't that good to begin with. It kind of reminds me of the Lions that year Matthew Stafford went out.

Except that the Lions have since become a decent team. And, you're implying that WITH Bradford, they'd be considerably better, which their track record has proven otherwise.

I still see an 8-8 team.... with that D, we can play with a lot of teams.

The Rams have the pieces to be a pretty good team, but I think we're all tired of saying/reading that.

Whether it's head-scratching coaching, peculiar player underachievement, raw talent making inopportune mistakes, or the seemingly endless amount of major injuries to key players, this team never gets over the hump.

Yesterday was a nice win, just as two weeks prior over Seattle was a nice win. An in between they got embarrassed by a pretty good but not spectacular KC team. They're 3-5 and not dead yet, but it's hard to hold out a ton of hope.

Even if they reach 8-8, it will be hard to be too excited. I mean, there are PLENTY of ways to spin 8-8 as a positive: first .500 season since 2006, overcame multiple major injuries to starters, overcame a 1-4 and 2-5 start, etc. But at the end of the day, it will still be below reasonable expectations and almost certainly not good enough for the playoffs.

Just kinda stinks when you have to continually try to be excited about mediocrity because it's not as bad as it used to be.