Haha. That would be sometime.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2022^That doesn't include seats? You have got to be sitting me . . . on the floor I guess. Or maybe in a cargo pod.
I meant Free Seat selection.
I meant Free Seat selection.
You are correct, sir. Received notification last night that my return on the 6th has been cancelled as well. Going thru MDW now...ugh.jshank83 wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2022Looks like they are going to run STL-SRQ Saturday only over summer. I expect this gets pushed thru Labor Day.pdm_ad wrote: ↑Apr 11, 2022^^ Received email notification last night that the nonstop from STL - SRQ on 7/3 has been cut so they are out to at least early July at this point.
You could always fly Allegiant….pdm_ad wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2022You are correct, sir. Received notification last night that my return on the 6th has been cancelled as well. Going thru MDW now...ugh.jshank83 wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2022Looks like they are going to run STL-SRQ Saturday only over summer. I expect this gets pushed thru Labor Day.pdm_ad wrote: ↑Apr 11, 2022^^ Received email notification last night that the nonstop from STL - SRQ on 7/3 has been cut so they are out to at least early July at this point.
At least the one on the 3rd you could move to the 2nd for no up charge and get the nonstop depending on your flexibility.
Not much help on the 6th unless they have a connection time you like better.
You do get one free change to within 14 days of original date if you didn’t know. They MIGHT let you fly into Tampa or Fort Myers instead also. For SJC/SFO/OAK you can change it between any airport if you get changed with an update. So they might let it slide with SRQ to TPA/RSW also.
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I don't think I'd trust Allegiant's one-flight-a-day model in summer in FL with their daily thunderstorms. At best, you're just looking at a 30 minute delay, at worst you'd be stuck for an extra few days,jshank83 wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2022You could always fly Allegiant….pdm_ad wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2022You are correct, sir. Received notification last night that my return on the 6th has been cancelled as well. Going thru MDW now...ugh.jshank83 wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2022
Looks like they are going to run STL-SRQ Saturday only over summer. I expect this gets pushed thru Labor Day.
^ Knock on wood, I haven't had any problems with Allegiant and I have an upcoming trip over Memorial weekend. You are correct though, if something goes wrong, you are likely stuck for at least a day but they do offer service from 3 local airports down there so there are a few options if that happens.
^^ I thought about TPA/RSW but Uber would be pricey. They rebooked my 7/6 return on an early morning flight and I did change to a later flight that day. And yes, I am now going down on the 7/2 nonstop so that actually worked out great. When I initially booked the trip, the 7/2 flight was twice as much $ as the 7/3 flight.
^^ I thought about TPA/RSW but Uber would be pricey. They rebooked my 7/6 return on an early morning flight and I did change to a later flight that day. And yes, I am now going down on the 7/2 nonstop so that actually worked out great. When I initially booked the trip, the 7/2 flight was twice as much $ as the 7/3 flight.
You can play the game with all these schedule updates. I’ve booked a fair amount of flights on a Tuesday, for much cheaper, when I actually want to fly on Friday. Once the update happens I take the free change to the Friday flight I wanted in the first place. There is some risk it could backfire but so far it’s worked out when I have done it.pdm_ad wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2022^ Knock on wood, I haven't had any problems with Allegiant and I have an upcoming trip over Memorial weekend. You are correct though, if something goes wrong, you are likely stuck for at least a day but they do offer service from 3 local airports down there so there are a few options if that happens.
^^ I thought about TPA/RSW but Uber would be pricey. They rebooked my 7/6 return on an early morning flight and I did change to a later flight that day. And yes, I am now going down on the 7/2 nonstop so that actually worked out great. When I initially booked the trip, the 7/2 flight was twice as much $ as the 7/3 flight.
KCI picked up Jetblue to JKF & Boston this year. That JFK (soon to be BOS too) flight allows for easy connections on to their LHR flight (100% new A321). Would be a nice option for STL. How did KC snag those?
When JetBlue and AA made their alliance they basically split up cities. AA took STL and added Boston 2x a day. JetBlue took KC and added Boston and JFK 1x a day.RuskiSTL wrote: ↑Apr 16, 2022KCI picked up Jetblue to JKF & Boston this year. That JFK (soon to be BOS too) flight allows for easy connections on to their LHR flight (100% new A321). Would be a nice option for STL. How did KC snag those?
Makes sense because AA is stronger here than in KC so they probably wanted to keep the extra flights on their own metal.
Maybe JFK comes later when business and maybe more importantly staffing capacity comes back. Tough to add much right now.
Neat write up on a 1972 proposal to overhaul Lambert:
https://www.airporthistory.org/blue-con ... 73jlTvzxMM
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https://www.airporthistory.org/blue-con ... 73jlTvzxMM
As everything 1940-1980s.....fascinating and depressing stuff.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Apr 17, 2022Neat write up on a 1972 proposal to overhaul Lambert:
https://www.airporthistory.org/blue-con ... 73jlTvzxMM
LOL, close to 4M metro population by 2000?! That's about where Miami and Seattle were at the time, 12th among MSAs
This is one of the reasons why UA is the only way to go if you travel often to non-top tier European cities. These cities often do not have direct flights to Chicago but they do to Newark and JFK. But DL and AA are absolutely unusable for someone based in STL in that respect.quincunx wrote: ↑Apr 16, 2022Wish AA had a STL-JFK flight rn.
Not sure what the LOL is about. STL was 1.7M in 1950, 2.3M in 1960, and now a whopping.......2.8M!!!quincunx wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022LOL, close to 4M metro population by 2000?! That's about where Miami and Seattle were at the time, 12th among MSAs
Good for 21st and falling fast! Surely will be eclipsed by CLT, ORL, SAN, PDX, and SAC who are all on our heels.
I would do anything to have 4M in the region now, even more so 22 years ago. Would put us about 15, between DET and SEA. And still relevant in national conversations.
Describing my last 5 years 🥲. Can't wait for the return of YYZ and mainline to FRA will be a revelationkipfilet wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022This is one of the reasons why UA is the only way to go if you travel often to non-top tier European cities. These cities often do not have direct flights to Chicago but they do to Newark and JFK. But DL and AA are absolutely unusable for someone based in STL in that respect.quincunx wrote: ↑Apr 16, 2022Wish AA had a STL-JFK flight rn.
How far off the prediction turned out to be was LOL for me.RuskiSTL wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022Not sure what the LOL is about. STL was 1.7M in 1950, 2.3M in 1960, and now a whopping.......2.8M!!!quincunx wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022LOL, close to 4M metro population by 2000?! That's about where Miami and Seattle were at the time, 12th among MSAs
Good for 21st and falling fast! Surely will be eclipsed by CLT, ORL, SAN, PDX, and SAC who are all on our heels.
I would do anything to have 4M in the region now, even more so 22 years ago. Would put us about 15, between DET and SEA. And still relevant in national conversations.
The legacy make up in STL I find really interesting/confusing at times.kipfilet wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022This is one of the reasons why UA is the only way to go if you travel often to non-top tier European cities. These cities often do not have direct flights to Chicago but they do to Newark and JFK. But DL and AA are absolutely unusable for someone based in STL in that respect.quincunx wrote: ↑Apr 16, 2022Wish AA had a STL-JFK flight rn.
Delta seems like most people's favorite but it has the worst route map.
AA has the best route map but didn't get the Europe flight (or have a partner get it).
United has partners Air Canada coming back and Lufthansa starting and seems like it really could make a dent here but doesn't even make an effort. Flies almost all RJs and the least amount of flights of the 3 legacies on top of that. Its summer schedule is pretty pitiful. 18 total flights a day. 1 flight a day to DC, 2 to Houston, none to SFO. I really was hoping to see them make some kind of move. I get they have staff shortages but I still expected more.
I agree with you overall. I have to say that I am a lucky frequent UA flyer based out of STL as most of my flights are to ORD and EWR, where the schedules do not seem to have been much affected. I also have to say that the CRJ550 has been a *massive* quality of life improvement.
Those two have the most frequencies. EWR basically took up IAD/IAH from last year so UA is pretty much flat vs last year.kipfilet wrote: ↑Apr 19, 2022I agree with you overall. I have to say that I am a lucky frequent UA flyer based out of STL as most of my flights are to ORD and EWR, where the schedules do not seem to have been much affected. I also have to say that the CRJ550 has been a *massive* quality of life improvement.
Star Alliance really has some of the best Europe options now going thru Frankfurt/Toronto/Newark/Chicago. Hopefully when these staffing issues get fixed they start to make a play domestically from here. Bigger planes. Bring SFO back. Find ways to use gojet out of here on some thinner routes you can make work.
Spirit cutting Cancun, Fort Lauderdale, LA, Myrtle beach for June/July. Only leaves Orlando and Vegas.
Sounds like we aren’t the only one they are cutting back to only those 2. Indy and Milwaukee are also. Probably others.
Sounds like we aren’t the only one they are cutting back to only those 2. Indy and Milwaukee are also. Probably others.
Completely agree. AA has the deepest market penetration out of the big 3 here in STL but god forbid it does anything to sustain it (other than throw us a daily BOS flight, which I'm not complaining but makes me wonder why they can't add more..). Delta is always a fantastic option to travel on, but it barely has any West Coast options other than SLC (you'd think they try for a possible LAX or SEA flight, given the large presence in both cities). United is the weakest of the three and the fact that we have yet to have a SFO flight is nothing short of shameful.jshank83 wrote: ↑Apr 19, 2022The legacy make up in STL I find really interesting/confusing at times.kipfilet wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022This is one of the reasons why UA is the only way to go if you travel often to non-top tier European cities. These cities often do not have direct flights to Chicago but they do to Newark and JFK. But DL and AA are absolutely unusable for someone based in STL in that respect.quincunx wrote: ↑Apr 16, 2022Wish AA had a STL-JFK flight rn.
Delta seems like most people's favorite but it has the worst route map.
AA has the best route map but didn't get the Europe flight (or have a partner get it).
United has partners Air Canada coming back and Lufthansa starting and seems like it really could make a dent here but doesn't even make an effort. Flies almost all RJs and the least amount of flights of the 3 legacies on top of that. Its summer schedule is pretty pitiful. 18 total flights a day. 1 flight a day to DC, 2 to Houston, none to SFO. I really was hoping to see them make some kind of move. I get they have staff shortages but I still expected more.
Out of the three legacy options, I wished that Delta would have at least a focus city presence here, given its weak Midwestern presence (other than its bases in MSP and DTW) and be able to penetrate a large swath of underserved middle America. It probably doesn't help that Delta did shut down Cincy as a hub and focus city which would make the argument of having STL as a focus city essentially pointless but still, it would've been a solid legacy presence here especially after AA winded down the hub and focus city presence in STL.
I say it all the time... Southwest is the largest domestic airline by passengers and they ARE a legacy carrier and they ARE almost no longer a low cost airline.
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^But they have no business class, no economy plus, no real international flights worth mention, and no ticket sharing. They ARE a low cost carrier. They absolutely are not comparable to a legacy carrier in any conceivable way. You just can't use them to do the same kinds of things. They're fine for what they are. And they might even serve business well, since even people flying for business fly economy half the time now and just pocket the difference. They're fine for what they are, but they won't help you get across an ocean, and they have no premiums apart from boarding first and maybe a free drink or two. Do they even have food? I don't recall them even offering meal service. (They might not seem to have a flight long enough to really justify it, but if you're going to be flying across country does it matter how many times your plane lands and refuels if you never get off? You're going to want to eat.)
No offense to Southwest. They're great for what they are, but they're no use at all to me and I can't imagine I'm alone in that.
In spite of that I'm thrilled they're here and I hope they continue to expand and prosper and I sincerely hope we can make our airport work for them. (I may not be unique, but I expect I'm not in the majority.)
No offense to Southwest. They're great for what they are, but they're no use at all to me and I can't imagine I'm alone in that.
In spite of that I'm thrilled they're here and I hope they continue to expand and prosper and I sincerely hope we can make our airport work for them. (I may not be unique, but I expect I'm not in the majority.)
Southwest is in some kind of middle zone to me. They aren’t low cost anymore but they also aren’t legacy. As poet mentions the lack of international flights/partners make it hard for me to consider them a legacy, even more than no premium product. With the feed they would give us to Europe we could probably have multiple flights to Europe if they had a partner.
I'm in the exact same position as symphonicpoet. I love that Southwest has such a large presence in STL, but they're essentially of no use to me. I need to travel overseas for work several times a year, so I fly Delta since they can get me almost anywhere I need to go with only one layover (if only we had a STL to JFK flight....)