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PostJan 02, 2020#5801

November numbers are out for @flystl

50 straight months of growth comes to an end. Max groundings (and late Thanksgiving) really starting to show up.

Down 5.9% for the month
Up 1.4% on the year
Cargo up 9.8% on the month

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... PubRel.pdf

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PostJan 02, 2020#5802

jshank83 wrote:
Jan 02, 2020
November numbers are out for @flystl

50 straight months of growth comes to an end. Max groundings (and late Thanksgiving) really starting to show up.

Down 5.9% for the month
Up 1.4% on the year
Cargo up 9.8% on the month

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... PubRel.pdf
Having the peak Thanksgiving travel dates slip into December is a killer.  However, that should bode well for December numbers.

PostJan 02, 2020#5803

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Looks like STL is getting CLEAR!

Registered Traveler Concession Agreement with AlClear, LLC (d/b/a CLEAR)
I'm curious at which concourse(s) Clear will be set up.

Delta has invested in the company, so it makes it likely for Concourse A.  But American has been refusing it to be setup in many of it's hubs... which might make it a no-go for Concourse C.

https://viewfromthewing.com/american-ai ... ity-lines/

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PostJan 02, 2020#5804

Is there many guesses on what will happen at the airport in the next year. Especially since it seems like a number of things may finally break with the privatization issue done removing uncertainty since that seems to have dissuaded a number of parties from acting.

My guesses are either Spirit announces an entry for 2021 and/or Sun Country adds a few routes anticipating Spirit. Not sure where Spirit would go. But this could kick off a ULCC battle in STL which could help fares overall since they are starting to creek up relative to other markets. Likely due to Southwest having a market share in STL that is starting to get close to fortress hub levels. Biggest thing is getting the MAX back in the air since it looks like Southwest is planning a significant ramp up when it does happen and others may be wanting to add a flight or two but can't until its back. Sense a transatlantic announcement for next year with Aer Lingus most likely pending airplane availability. Especially since it sounds like the corporate community may finally wanting to help out, since it did seem like the privatization process put them on hold.

And since its the start of a decade how about guesses the next 10 years.

Traffic will likely grow about an average 3-5% a year so guessing around 24 million passengers by 2030. Could see a gate crunch starting to appear by the end of the decade. D will have reopened (this may only be a couple years from happening) and C will then starting to fill in with A tapped out. B may have to be reconverted to gates at some point and possible discussion of a terminal replacement/expansion will start to be discussed. Likely the new International gates  are done and there will be several new international destinations with likely 2-3 European destinations and startings of a rumbling of a transpacific route as demand to Asia increases. Biggest wildcards are will the airport end up under a regioanal authority by then and what will Southwest be like by 2030? If Southwest does something like changing their fleet plans to have a different plane type with a smaller/larger size or codeshares with foreign airlines it would have impacts locally.

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PostJan 03, 2020#5805

^That’s some strong Kool-Aid there Imperial.

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PostJan 03, 2020#5806

From the P-D, more background info on the efforts to persuade Mayor Krewson to abandon the privatization efforts.

Business leaders met with Page and Ehlmann, urged Krewson to consider alternatives to privatization
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ST. LOUIS — In the weeks before Mayor Lyda Krewson abruptly ended an effort to lease the city’s airport to a private operator, several local business leaders mounted a quiet lobbying effort to slow the process.
Records obtained by the Post-Dispatch show the business leaders held a series of separate meetings that involved Krewson, St. Louis County Executive Sam Page and St. Charles County Executive Steve Ehlmann.  
On Nov. 19, leaders of two of the region’s most prominent business groups — Civic Progress President Tom Santel and Regional Business Council CEO Kathy Osborn — met with Page and Ehlmann in Clayton to discuss the fate of St. Louis Lambert International Airport. 

Also at that meeting was Jason Hall, the chief executive of a group called Arch to Park and a critic on social media of the Lambert privatization process.
On Dec. 5, Krewson met with Santel, Osborn, Civic Progress Chairman Warner Baxter and Regional Business Council Chairman Greg Twardowski regarding Lambert privatization, her spokesman, Jacob Long, said.

“This was one meeting over the course of two-plus years this process was underway,” Long said, adding that “everybody’s input was important” to Krewson’s decision.

Hall, who was not at the Dec. 5 meeting, appears on Krewson’s calendar for a Dec. 18 appointment — just two hours before Krewson had a call scheduled with Baxter.

Baxter, who is chairman and CEO of Ameren Corp., also had a call scheduled with Krewson the next day, Dec. 19.
The meetings, listed on official calendars obtained by the Post-Dispatch through public records requests, shed more light on who was trying to influence the privatization effort in the weeks before Krewson’s surprise announcement.
Though the Post-Dispatch reported last month that Civic Progress and the Regional Business Council had expressed concerns to Krewson, the meeting with Page as well as the involvement of Hall and Arch to Park was not previously known.

Hall has described Arch to Park as a “civic-minded” private investment entity focused on strengthening the city’s central corridor. Hall and his organization also appear to be closely aligned with Andy Taylor, executive chairman of rental car giant Enterprise Holdings.
Arch to Park LLC’s organizer is Jason Thein, who has been an estate planning attorney and partner at Thompson Coburn. Thein is the registered agent for nonprofit St. Louis Citizen of the Year Inc., which lists Taylor as president. Thein is also listed as the agent for Soldiers Memorial LLC, which was identified as the donation vehicle for the $30 million renovation of Soldiers Memorial downtown. It later was revealed that Taylor and his family had funded much of the project.

Thein also represented the ownership group of the new Major League Soccer franchise, led by the Taylor family, according to Thompson Coburn. 

Clayton-based Enterprise Holdings owns the Enterprise, National and Alamo car rental businesses. A consultant’s report obtained by the Post-Dispatch on potential revenue-boosting ideas at Lambert outlined big possible changes to the rental car business there, including consolidating all seven rental car companies operating there into a new facility attached to Terminal 1.
It’s unclear how much Enterprise officials knew about the proposal, which wasn’t detailed publicly until the Post-Dispatch reported on it last week, and they declined to comment on it. In response to questions about whether Hall was representing him or whether he had concerns about changes to the rental car business at Lambert, Taylor released a general statement:
“My focus has always been on advocating for the long-term success of the St. Louis region. I look forward to working with Mayor Krewson and other leaders to make sure Lambert Airport can continue to be a strong asset for our hometown’s future.”

Hall said he was at the meeting with Page as chief executive of Arch to Park and that he doesn’t represent any particular CEO, adding that the airport privatization was an issue of economic development, a topic he regularly discusses with “business leaders, public officials and many others.” Hall previously served as deputy director and, briefly, acting director, of the Missouri Department of Economic Development under former Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon.
“I personally thought the privatization process was convoluted, not transparent and frankly not popular with any of the leaders or groups with whom I had spoken, and I relayed those concerns,” Hall said in a written response to questions. “Process and trust-building matters on a public decision of this magnitude, as it often does in any major civic initiative.”
County’s involvement

The privatization process, launched in the last days of former Mayor Francis Slay’s administration, was pitched as a way to attract private capital to improve the airport and generate upfront payments worth hundreds of millions of dollars that the city could use to shore up its budget and invest in the urban core. 
Critics complained it was entirely funded by libertarian megadonor Rex Sinquefield, who stood to be reimbursed for the millions spent on consultants if a deal went through. Others complained too many of the deliberations were behind closed doors; a lawsuit sought to nullify any actions taken in improperly closed meetings. 

Ehlmann said the meeting in Page’s office dealt mostly with a study proposed by St. Louis County Port Authority Director Denny Coleman and board chair John Maupin examining, among other topics, regional governance of Lambert. The Port Authority was scheduled to vote on issuing a request for proposals two days later, on Nov. 21. Page sent a letter supporting the study, but the board ended up tabling the RFP on a 4-3 vote.
On Dec. 19, a day before Krewson ended the privatization process, the Port Authority voted 4-3 to approve issuing the RFP.  
Ehlmann, who told the Post-Dispatch this week he is open to exploring the potential purchase of Lambert using special sales tax districts in order to put it under regional control, said he wasn’t sure what organization Hall was representing at the meeting with Page. “I don’t know which hat he had on that day.” 

Page’s spokesman Doug Moore said the county executive “listened to many community members about their perspectives on Lambert airport’s future." “Those community members included business leaders and other regional leaders with opinions on all sides,” Moore said in a statement.

Business community dissent
Indeed, not all members of Civic Progress were opposed to leasing Lambert. In an Oct. 26 email obtained by the Post-Dispatch that was sent to Santel, Baxter and Osborn, David Steward, the chairman and founder of World Wide Technology, urged them to support the process.
“We have the attention of the global aviation community who view the U.S. as the emerging market for development of airports,” Steward wrote. “Let us seize the moment and leap ahead of other cities to whom we’ve been losing ground for decades.”
Steward, who is a member of Civic Progress, disclosed in the email that Maryland Heights-based World Wide Technology was part of STL Aviation Group, which was one of the bidders for a Lambert lease. STL Aviation wasn’t among eight groups recommended by the city’s lead consultant, Moelis & Company, according to minutes of closed-door meetings of the Airport Advisory Working Group. 

The Post-Dispatch reported last month that Krewson’s aide on the airport group examining bidders, Linda Martinez, urged that that the group including Steward’s company be allowed to bid because “excluding them would send a negative message to the community since they are familiar with the St. Louis area.”

Santel and Osborn, in a joint statement responding to questions about their meetings with Page and Krewson, acknowledged they expressed concerns to city officials.  “We, however, shared that we had not taken a position on the merits of privatization as a potential vehicle to develop a world class airport,” they said in the statement. “Our recommendation was that additional strategic alternatives be evaluated, alongside airport privatization, before any long-term decision or awards were made. We had offered to fund such a study.”

In response to follow-up questions about whether they were representing their entire membership, a spokesman said that “given the relatively large membership of both organizations, it should not be surprising that a variety of opinions were expressed on the merits of privatization and the overall privatization process; however, the consensus of both organizations is consistent with the (earlier) statement.”

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PostJan 06, 2020#5807

You know, I was just thinking... It would be nice if STL made a short video documentary about their history, and maybe a tour or update on the renovations and future of the airport. It might have a niche audience but it would be interesting.

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PostJan 07, 2020#5808

^If you did it right, I could see it having a fairly broad audience. Not everyone, but a lot of aviation enthusiasts. Particularly thanks to the history. How many other airports could reasonably include footage of the Wright Brothers, Teddy Roosevelt, and Charles Lindbergh? To name but a few. And you can get the space race in there, the jet age, modernist architecture . . . could be epic! You could even make use of earlier examples, like the one from the 50s when they opened T1. There's actually a surprising amount of footage out there.

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PostJan 08, 2020#5809

I'm sure there'd be a fair amount of ex-TWA/Ozark employees out there who would find something like that quite enjoyable - reliving the glory days, so to speak.

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PostJan 09, 2020#5810

I went to the airport commission meeting today. A few notes:

CLEAR is coming. Sounds like it will be up and running by next month sometime. They will have sign ups in both terminal and access to all concourses. The airport gets a cut of the fees based on county of origin. They even a cut from some mid missouri counties like Boone. 

Rhonda said they thought they would have a good package to offer an airline for a flight to Europe by summer (would be to start in 2021 I am guessing)

Lots of construction projects on the horizon.

Viva Aerobus is taking over for Volaris on the Apple Vacation routes.

It sounds like almost all the privatization documents will be released shortly after the official vote to kill the process next week. 

Airport is going to pick back up looking to develop land around the airpot. They had been looking at it but the privatization process put a pause on it.

Bidding for contracts is going back to 3-5 year bids instead of the 1 year extensions they have been doing.

Time to get your REAL ID if you don't have one. October is the deadline for needing it (or a US Government issued ID like a passport). 

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PostJan 09, 2020#5811

What’s the point of Clear if you have TSA Pre Check? Especially here where pre check lines are 1-5 people

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PostJan 09, 2020#5812

Thjs whole Kinloch dumping mess is awful optics for the city and airport. Horrible mismanagement. I hate that they’re cash strapped but Kinloch deserves to be treated with respect. Hopefully the airport will address this quickly and honestly.





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PostJan 09, 2020#5813

St. Louis to try again for European flight
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline
Lambert airport officials are working with business groups to try to lure a direct flight to Europe.  A St. Louis Lambert International Airport spokesman, Jeff Lea, said Wednesday that Airport Director Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge told airport commissioners she's "working with organizations in the region to potentially develop a new plan to help land an international, trans-Atlantic flight."  "However," Lea said, "we won't be able to share details of those discussions or organizations at this time."  People familiar with the matter said Civic Progress, comprised of area CEOs, and AllianceSTL, the business recruitment arm of the St. Louis Regional Chamber, would be among those assisting, and that the process is in its early stages.

St. Louis lost European flights after American Airlines discontinued a London route in 2003. Lambert had nonstops to Iceland, an island usually considered to be part of Europe, from May 2018 to January 2019, when WOW Air ended the service. The airline later shut down.  The St. Louis County Port Authority in July cut a program that would have given up to $5 million to an airline willing to start a direct flight to Europe. The port authority's chair, Denny Coleman, said then that the program was ended because the business community had not also agreed to prebook tickets on a route, seen as critical to landing the service.

Last month, anna.aero, a British website specializing in airline routes, published an analysis saying St. Louis and Cincinnati were among the most likely U.S. airports to add British Airways service in the future.  "Both have strong fare per miles as a result of their higher business travel (reflected in higher average fare), above-average passengers to London, and good traffic to Europe," the piece said. "And both have strong metro GDPs: $161 billion for St. Louis, the nation’s twenty-second largest, and $138 billion for Cincinnati, the twenty-ninth. Cincinnati is also 115 miles from Columbus, another city with good demand to London and wider Europe."  Several metropolitan areas that are smaller than St. Louis have direct European flights, including New Orleans, Nashville and Cincinnati, which already boasts a flight to Paris on Delta Air Lines.

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PostJan 10, 2020#5814

My partner went STL to DCA this morning. C, as usual, was a ghost town. BUT I still had a few pics.







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PostJan 10, 2020#5815

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C, as usual, was a ghost town. 
Are we thinking of the same Concourse C? 

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PostJan 10, 2020#5816

I’ve flown out of C 5-6 times, I was maybe 1 of 100 people in the entire stretch each time.

There was a time I flew Alaskan and it was busy.

Maybe I have weird flying habits.

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PostJan 10, 2020#5817

 
I flew to Minneapolis on Monday Dec 16th.  around 9:30 ish in the morning  it was busy.  The return trip on that Thursday got into STL around 8:30 in the evening dead!
From what I remember of that night the only passengers in the concourse people who were going to get on that same going back to Minneapolis.

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PostJan 10, 2020#5818

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I flew to Minneapolis on Monday Dec 16th.  around 9:30 ish in the morning  it was busy.  The return trip on that Thursday got into STL around 8:30 in the evening dead!
From what I remember of that night the only passengers in the concourse people who were going to get on that same going back to Minneapolis.
There are very few departures out of STL after 8:30pm on any of the network carriers (AA, UA, DL).  

There are a few on Southwest but their operational model does not require connecting through a hub.

This is not something unique to STL.

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PostJan 10, 2020#5819

addxb2 wrote:
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Thjs whole Kinloch dumping mess is awful optics for the city and airport. Horrible mismanagement. I hate that they’re cash strapped but Kinloch deserves to be treated with respect. Hopefully the airport will address this quickly and honestly.





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This is horrible optics for the Police dept that patrols the area.

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PostJan 11, 2020#5820

addxb2 wrote:
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If absolutely nothing else I'll say it looks nice down towards the end. Cozy and inviting, even. Which was not something one would have said in earlier days.

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PostJan 12, 2020#5821

The airport should use some of its dead space to open an Aviation Technology Start-up Incubator. Get Boeing or Southwest to sponsor. Get SLU Aviation involved.

Kind of adjacent to geospatial tech.

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PostJan 13, 2020#5822

addxb2 wrote:
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The airport should use some of its dead space to open an Aviation Technology Start-up  Incubator. Get Boeing or Southwest to sponsor. Get SLU Aviation involved.

Kind of adjacent to geospatial tech.
Now this is a damn good idea.

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PostJan 13, 2020#5823

Huh! I'll second that! That is a capital idea!

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PostJan 13, 2020#5824

^ & ^^,  Play the devil's advocate, what dead space are we talking about.   Concourses? because they are essentially geared to be just that concourses.  Now in the long term, I think it is undisputeable fact that Lambert has plenty of land to develop everything from office, tech to warehousing to cargo.  They have just done a terrible job of identifying and coming up with long term master plan of what to do exactly.  

Honestly, I don't see offering Concourse B for Aviation startups as that great of an idea because what it does is kick the can of concourse overcapacity built around Terminal 1/TWA in past and not enough capacity at Terminal 2/Southwest in the future while not thinking of how you could add more curbside space, more on site parking and or a future consolidated rental car facility

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PostJan 13, 2020#5825

I’m sure there are a lot of holes that could be found but the gallery space outside of C comes to mind as non concourse or non-secure space.

From a high level, a small vacant concourse (B) updated and converted to glass walled coworking space really isn’t that far of a stretch. Utilities are already brought to each gate, so converting each gate area into a 20x20 office space isn’t unimaginable. The aviation startups would work at “gates”. Which is what I imagine is dream come true. “Ours is Gate B6”

These companies would have a research/development and testing within 5 feet of their desk. Bring them in with an ArchGrants like competition.



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