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Forgive me, but I love beautiful architecture. Many of the best buildings don't fit into todays use, but I would hope they are never lost. So many great designs from the mid 20th century will be lost and I am deeply saddened by this.



I have seen newer airports that are more functional, but what inspiration in how the ground meets the sky in the main ticketing area.

^ I certainly agree. I just hope that the wish to keep the historic terminal in tact doesn't keep the airport from expanding/improving. I think the outdoor glass enclosure is a great example of this. I think we should celebrate that this new structure is based on the main terminal and will continue its design.

AA recently modified their schedule changes for 9/5/2007. We have retained 757 service to SFO (evening flight) and we got an upgrade from an MD-80 to a 757 for one LAX flight (eastbound only), westbound is all MD-80 service. This could also mean occasional 767 service as this route has been subject to last minute substitutions of 767 for 757 earlier this summer. (The 757s have been getting fitted with winglets on select planes and some cosmetic interior upgrades). The 757s will be like the new 737s once they have winglets and refurbished interiors-I can't wait

JCity wrote:

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He also designed terminals a JFK in New York





Incorrect, it wasn't Yamasaki, it was Eero Sarinen

Here's the source of the some of confusion:



http://www.lambert-stlouis.com/about/history.htm

In 1956, Minoru Yamasaki's domed design for Lambert's main terminal became the forerunner of modern terminal building plans. Both the John F. Kennedy Airport in New York and the Charles DeGualle Airport in Paris, France followed the lead of the domed design of Lambert's Main Terminal. The present four-dome main terminal was built originally with three domes; the fourth followed a few years later.

And, here's an interim story about a struggle for the fate of Sarinen terminal at JFK:



http://www.nationaltrust.org/magazine/a ... 083105.htm

New flights from STL American Airlines Hub To Begin Service SEP 5, 2007



American Airlines to Add More Service From Seven Key Business Markets to Lambert St. Louis International Airport in September



FORT WORTH, Texas, July 16 PRNewswire-FirstCall — American Airlines today announced that its AmericanConnection carriers will add a daily round trip flight to seven cities from it's Lambert St. Louis International Airport Hub effective Sept. 5, 2007.



"Our corporate travelers have indicated a desire to have more service into and out of St. Louis and these flights will offer them that opportunity," said Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge, American's Managing Director — St. Louis Hub. "For example, we will now be offering travelers the option of taking a morning flight from St. Louis to Tulsa and we expect it will be very popular."



From St. Louis, a new daily roundtrip will be flown to: — Cedar Rapids, Iowa, for a total of three daily flights — Charlotte, N.C., for a total of four daily flights — Dayton, Ohio for a total of three daily flights — New Orleans, La., for a total of four daily flights — Newark, N.J., for a total of six daily flights — Springfield, Mo., for a total of two daily flights — Tulsa, Okla., for a total of three daily flights



Separately, as part of a restructuring of its Dallas Love Field schedule, American Airlines announced that AmericanConnection will cease service between Love Field and St. Louis effective September 5. American Airlines, a founding member of the global oneworld(R) Alliance will continue to offer daily, high- frequency service between St. Louis-Lambert and Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport.



Following are the schedules for the new flights: From St. Louis to Cedar Rapids Flight: 5476 Departs: 10:10 a.m. Arrives: 11:15 a.m. Except Saturday From Cedar Rapids to St. Louis Flight 5475 Departs: 11:40 a.m. Arrives: 12:40 p.m. Except Saturday Service provided by Trans States with 50-seat Embraer regional jets From St. Louis to Charlotte Flight 5539 Departs: 11:00 a.m. (CDT) Arrives: 1:50 p.m. (EDT) From Charlotte to St. Louis Flight 5540 Departs: 2:15 p.m. (EDT) Arrives: 3:20 p.m. (CDT) Service provided by Trans States with 50-seat Embraer regional jets From St. Louis to Dayton Flight 5304 Departs: 9:25 a.m. (CDT) Arrives: 11:40 a.m. (EDT) From Dayton to St. Louis Flight 5305 Departs: 12:05 p.m. (EDT) Arrives: 12:20 p.m. (CDT) Service provided by Chautauqua with 44-seat Embraer regional jets From St. Louis to Newark Flight 5308 Departs: 5:15 p.m. (CDT) Arrives: 9:00 p.m. (EDT) From Newark to St. Louis Flight 5309 Departs: 9:25 p.m. (EDT) Arrives: 11:20 p.m. (CDT) Except Sat./Sun. Service provided by Chautauqua with 44-seat Embraer regional jets From St. Louis to New Orleans Flight 5597 Departs: 2:30 p.m. Arrives: 4:30 p.m. From New Orleans to St. Louis Flight 5598 Departs: 4:55 p.m. Arrives: 6:45 p.m. Service provided by Trans States with 50-seat Embraer regional jets From St. Louis to Springfield, Missouri Flight 5591 Departs: 12:40 p.m. Arrives: 1:40 p.m. From Springfield, Missouri to St. Louis Flight 5592 Departs: 2:05 p.m. Arrives: 3:05 p.m. Service provided by Trans States with 50-seat Embraer regional jets From St. Louis to Tulsa Flight 5545 Departs: 8:45 a.m. Arrives: 10:10 a.m. From Tulsa to St. Louis Flight 5546 Departs: 10:35 a.m. Arrives: 11:55 a.m. Service provided by Trans States with 50-seat Embraer regional jets AmericanAirlines(R) We know why you fly(R) Current AMR Corp. (NYSE: AMR) releases can be accessed on the Internet. The address is http://www.aa.com



SOURCE American Airlines

so how do we fare now as compared to before AA slashed flights?

JCity wrote:so how do we fare now as compared to before AA slashed flights?

...good question, and more particularly, not just in numbers but also in destinations, e.g. regional destinations like Iowa, Tulsa, Springfield, Dayton vs. out-of-region and gateway cities like Newark.

Basically, AA flies to very few regional cities where there is WN competition (Kansas City, Omaha, Cleveland, to name a few) Where they do fly regionally, it's almost all regional jet service vs mainline on TW or AA before the slashing of flights. My understanding is that Little Rock will go away later in the year, but FLL will come back (may be seasonal)



ORD is also seeing some fairly significant flight reductions as AA capacity continues to decrease along with more Caribbean flying in winter.

stlterp wrote:Basically, AA flies to very few regional cities where there is WN competition (Kansas City, Omaha, Cleveland, to name a few) Where they do fly regionally, it's almost all regional jet service vs mainline on TW or AA before the slashing of flights. My understanding is that Little Rock will go away later in the year, but FLL will come back (may be seasonal)



ORD is also seeing some fairly significant flight reductions as AA capacity continues to decrease along with more Caribbean flying in winter.

Right. I don't think AA even has a non-stop to Detroit. They force us AA gold members to fly NW or SW, or take three times as long to get there by going through Chicago. With all the connections in St. Louis Auto operations, and other things like Boeing FCS project work in Detroit lead by people in St. Louis, I'm surprised AA is happy to give away those profits.

For current timetable information for AA at the following link:

http://www.aatimetable.com/aa.pdf

b777stl wrote:Besides, if AA started DTW service many would favor an A319 on NW or a 73G (737-700) on WN to an AA Eagle/Connection ERJ 145.

I used to always end up an a tiny Canadair jet on NW, but I believe now NW has changed all flights to bigger DC-9s, probably to handle the increased business AA is throwing their way. I don't think NW uses A319s to St. Louis yet.

Gary Kreie wrote:

b777stl wrote:Besides, if AA started DTW service many would favor an A319 on NW or a 73G (737-700) on WN to an AA Eagle/Connection ERJ 145.

I used to always end up an a tiny Canadair jet on NW, but I believe now NW has changed all flights to bigger DC-9s, probably to handle the increased business AA is throwing their way. I don't think NW uses A319s to St. Louis yet.

yep, I flew on NWA DC-9s this summer to Toronto on the STL-DTW-BUF and STL-DTW-YYZ routes. However, on the return to DTW from BUF I flew on a A319 and return from Toronto to DTW was on a B757. Then from DTW-STL they were DC-9s.



I do like the DC-9s more than those ERJs and CRJs, plus the engines sound nice, but a bit loud though.



I wish STL will see more larger planes than regional jets and B737s. AA has B757s and a few B767s, but we need more of those.

NW's DC9s are ancient, but refurbished...good size for the markets they serve.



AA has a few 757s, and no scheduled 767 service at Lambert. Even in the TWA days, the only 767s left were the HNL/OGG/LGW/CDG flights, and maybe a LAX flight here or there.

Well, this video is completely depressing. It was taken in 1994 and shows a BUSTLING Lambert Field.



The TWA evening rush out of the St. Louis Hub. 727s, DC-9s, MD-80s, and a 747.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_ ... -3492.html

b777stl wrote:While NW may not have much A319 service, I meant to say that no one will wnat a regional jet when the can have mainline service. You're right...Currently NW doesn't have any A319s scheduled at STL, but I recall in 2006 I flew home on a late evening flight MSP-STL on an A320...



Actually-I flew on an AA 767 from STL-DTW earlier this year in February. It turns out, AA scheudled a 757 but had to substitute a 767 in DFW. The flight was obviously diverted from ORD to DTW due to weather. We were at DTW for several hours and then continued to ORD. Just thought you would get a kick out of that.

That's funny. My first trip to Milwaukee came about like that. There were weather problems in Chicago, so we flew to Milwaukee to get more fuel. I am a fan of AA, so I selfishly want AA to fly everywhere I go regularly non-stop, which they almost do.

JCity wrote:Well, this video is completely depressing. It was taken in 1994 and shows a BUSTLING Lambert Field.



The TWA evening rush out of the St. Louis Hub. 727s, DC-9s, MD-80s, and a 747.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_ ... -3492.html

Great find...at least 1 L1011 in there behind the 747, it looks like. The other plane parked at the end of C is a widebody of some sort, but can't really tell what kind.



The nighttime departures out of JFK were also quite a sight as T5 emptied out for all the European departures.

Regional partners hope to add Chicago flights

Mid-Missouri partners want to raise $2 million to attract an airline

BY MORGAN COOK

August 28, 2007 | 8:58 p.m. CST



COLUMBIA — With help from MU and neighboring cities, officials with the city of Columbia say they hope to raise roughly $2 million to persuade a commercial airline to carry passengers non-stop between Columbia Regional Airport and Chicago.



For now, the city is quietly pitching ballpark figures to partners at MU, Jefferson City and the Tri-County Lodging Association in the Lake of the Ozarks area. The figure is an estimate of the money it will take to insure skittish airlines against financial losses in a market where passenger boardings are bottoming out.



Because the negotiations are sensitive and preliminary, the partners said they were wary of discussing specifics until the $2 million figure — broken down as $700,000 each from Columbia and MU and $300,000 each from Jefferson City and the lake association — surfaced during a meeting last week in Sunrise Beach. Jim Divincen, administrator for the Tri-County Lodging Association, confirmed the numbers.



The group believes the insurance backstop is a necessary step in its efforts to secure a 50-seat jet for twice-daily flights five days a week and a single flight on Saturdays, Divincen said.



The group agrees that direct flights to Chicago from Columbia Regional could potentially improve mid-Missouri’s economy.



Because Chicago is a larger hub than both St. Louis and Kansas City, passengers would benefit from a larger variety of flight destinations. For the same reason, the 10 million people living in the Chicago area and the millions taking flights through the city would have an easier trip to Central Missouri.

Last Thursday I was flying back from Boston and we land at Lambert. We sit on the tarmac for a moment and the pilot comes on and says, "Uh . . . I can't believe I'm saying this, but all the available gates are full. We're going to have to wait awhile. Uh . . . this is somewhat rare at Lambert. Sorry, I'm sure it won't happen again."



[edit] It was American Airlines