Delta and Southwest both have nonstops to Detroit from STL International.
As for Orlando to Branson - lots of older people in FL flying to Branson I suppose.
As for Orlando to Branson - lots of older people in FL flying to Branson I suppose.
When leaving STL International on 12-23-2012 I noticed Southwest planes using gates in the far east D Concourse. These were NOT the international gates in E Concourse. These were gates around D22 upward???
Anyone know anything about this? Has Southwest overuneth E concourse?
Anyone know anything about this? Has Southwest overuneth E concourse?
12-22-2012 was crazy there. The said they averaged 20-30 people who missed their flights due to the check in and security lines backed up. Every security line was opened. Good for us, we got some extra seats on southwest to ourselves 
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I also flew Southwest out of Lambert on the 22nd. Terminal 2 was incapable of handling the capacity. At some point, I would think Southwest would move to the main terminal just to maintain a level of quality control. Until then, I may have to stick with American just so I can get shorter lines and a beautiful terminal.
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From today's press release:
January 30, 2013
For Immediate Release:
New Hudson Stores Open this week at Lambert
Hudson Group will spend next five months building out 13 stores throughout the Airport
(St. Louis) The retail shopping scene at Lambert-St. Louis International Airport will get a dramatic makeover beginning this week. HG-St. Louis JV, a joint venture of premier travel retailer Hudson Group, will formally begin its 10-year contract with Lambert on February 1 for the Airport’s news, gift and specialty retail concessions. Hudson will reopen a majority of the existing retail locations currently operated by The Paradies Shops. Over the next five months, Hudson will build out 13 locations featuring top national brands and exclusive local concepts as well.
During the 5-month build-out, Hudson will operate some temporary store units which will feature core news and gift merchandise offered through its flagship Hudson store. Hudson will offer its full mix of merchandise once it opens all of its new stores by late June 2013. Here is the current store lineup for Lambert:
Terminal 1: Hudson
A Concourse: Hudson, Maxiga & Spectacles
C Concourse: Hudson, Bliss, Ebony News, Spectacles, Natalie’s Candy Jar and Eddie Bauer
E Concourse: Kids Works, Spectacles, Hudson, St. Louis Sports, Natalie’s Candy Jar and Discover St. Louis.
HG-St. Louis JV is a joint venture comprised of Hudson Group (HG) Retail, LLC; Final Phase Marketing, Inc., based in St. Louis; OHM Concession Group, LLC of St. Ann, Missouri; and Newburns Management Group, LLC. Final Phase Marketing, OHM Concession Group and Newburns Management Group are certified ACDBE companies. The agreement, which also carries a three-year option, guarantees Lambert a minimum of $13 million in the first three years of the contract and $41 million over the full term of the contract. The company will employ more than 100 people. More than 90 employees are current retail employees of The Paradies Shops.
January 31, 2013
For Immediate release:
Lambert Begins Projects to Improve Entrances to Terminal 1
Bag Claim Entrances to get overhaul over coming months
(St. Louis) Lambert-St. Louis International Airport is beginning two projects to improve the entrances and exits on the Bag Claim Level of Terminal 1.
Starting this week, Lambert will begin major infrastructure improvements between exits 14, 15 and 16 in the ramp area that connects Bag Claim and the Yellow Level of the Terminal 1 Garage. Work includes new ceilings, HVAC, lighting and the addition of new wall finishes. Airline baggage service offices in this area are being relocated to temporary facilities directly adjacent to baggage carousels during the construction, which will be completed this fall. At least two of three doorways will be open at all times during the construction.
The second project will overhaul two lower level entrances that connect Bag Claim with Arrivals Drive, the roadway for passenger pickup and most ground transportation shuttles. These covered walkway entrances were damaged during the April 22, 2011 tornado. Lambert will be building new sleek, all-glass enclosed walkways that will better enhance Lambert’s historic terminal architecture. The project is being funded with support from the Eastman Chemical Company, as well as insurance proceeds. The glass panels will allow natural lighting to brighten the pathway for the public to and from the lower level Bag Claim. Eastman’s Saflex® and Vanceva® interlayers bring safety, security and UV protection to the laminated glass. LLumar® decorative window films provide a distinct design pattern to the enclosed walkways. Entry/Exit 17 will be closed beginning the first week of February for construction. This phase of the project should be completed in April. Construction on Entry/Exit 12 will proceed after the first phase of the project is completed. Alternate doorways will be used for passengers and visitors to enter and exit the terminal during this construction.
These projects will complement the major interior renovation nearing completion in the Airport’s Terminal 1 Bag Claim and the lower level. The Airport Experience renovations include new ceilings, new lighting, new interior wall and flooring surfaces, new signage, new directories and new restrooms. The Airport Experience renovation on the Ticketing Lobby, including new ticket counters and new terrazzo flooring, will be completed by this summer.
For Immediate release:
Lambert Begins Projects to Improve Entrances to Terminal 1
Bag Claim Entrances to get overhaul over coming months
(St. Louis) Lambert-St. Louis International Airport is beginning two projects to improve the entrances and exits on the Bag Claim Level of Terminal 1.
Starting this week, Lambert will begin major infrastructure improvements between exits 14, 15 and 16 in the ramp area that connects Bag Claim and the Yellow Level of the Terminal 1 Garage. Work includes new ceilings, HVAC, lighting and the addition of new wall finishes. Airline baggage service offices in this area are being relocated to temporary facilities directly adjacent to baggage carousels during the construction, which will be completed this fall. At least two of three doorways will be open at all times during the construction.
The second project will overhaul two lower level entrances that connect Bag Claim with Arrivals Drive, the roadway for passenger pickup and most ground transportation shuttles. These covered walkway entrances were damaged during the April 22, 2011 tornado. Lambert will be building new sleek, all-glass enclosed walkways that will better enhance Lambert’s historic terminal architecture. The project is being funded with support from the Eastman Chemical Company, as well as insurance proceeds. The glass panels will allow natural lighting to brighten the pathway for the public to and from the lower level Bag Claim. Eastman’s Saflex® and Vanceva® interlayers bring safety, security and UV protection to the laminated glass. LLumar® decorative window films provide a distinct design pattern to the enclosed walkways. Entry/Exit 17 will be closed beginning the first week of February for construction. This phase of the project should be completed in April. Construction on Entry/Exit 12 will proceed after the first phase of the project is completed. Alternate doorways will be used for passengers and visitors to enter and exit the terminal during this construction.
These projects will complement the major interior renovation nearing completion in the Airport’s Terminal 1 Bag Claim and the lower level. The Airport Experience renovations include new ceilings, new lighting, new interior wall and flooring surfaces, new signage, new directories and new restrooms. The Airport Experience renovation on the Ticketing Lobby, including new ticket counters and new terrazzo flooring, will be completed by this summer.
saw this tweet today....
Lambert-St. Louis International Airport (Official)
Did you know @SouthwestAir is adding direct flights to Grand Rapids, MI? Yes they are. Take advantage of intro rates too!
Lambert-St. Louis International Airport (Official)
Did you know @SouthwestAir is adding direct flights to Grand Rapids, MI? Yes they are. Take advantage of intro rates too!
Southwest continues to make Lambert STL International a major "connection hub".
"Southwest Airlines is the busiest carrier at Lambert with a current schedule of 90 daily flights to 33 non-stop destinations along with the five additional daily departures on Air Tran. This summer, Southwest will operate close to 100 daily flights from St. Louis, making Lambert the 10th largest market for Southwest."
"Southwest plans nonstop flights to Denver, Baltimore, Orlando and St. Louis International Airports, according to the Southwest flight schedules. There are no direct flights to St. Louis currently at the airport, though there are several to Denver, Baltimore and Orlando."
"Southwest Airlines is the busiest carrier at Lambert with a current schedule of 90 daily flights to 33 non-stop destinations along with the five additional daily departures on Air Tran. This summer, Southwest will operate close to 100 daily flights from St. Louis, making Lambert the 10th largest market for Southwest."
"Southwest plans nonstop flights to Denver, Baltimore, Orlando and St. Louis International Airports, according to the Southwest flight schedules. There are no direct flights to St. Louis currently at the airport, though there are several to Denver, Baltimore and Orlando."
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Interesting piece on how Charlotte Airport became a major hub even though they are a smaller city and close to the major hub of Atlanta. They are starting work on their fifth runway.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11897112 ... _ven=YAHOO
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11897112 ... _ven=YAHOO
Banks = cloutgary kreie wrote:Interesting piece on how Charlotte Airport became a major hub even though they are a smaller city and close to the major hub of Atlanta. They are starting work on their fifth runway.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11897112 ... _ven=YAHOO
Being a hub for airline that bought out other airlines probably helps. Can't recall if America West bought out US Airways or vice versa. But believe Pittsburgh was the hub city that took the hit on that one. Consolidation was coming after 911 but it has been undoubtly cruel to smaller metro areas where the hub based airline was bought by another, St. Louis when TWA was bought out, Cinci and Memphis taking hit after Delta bought out Northwest, Can see Milwaukee AirTran mini hub presence eventually taking a hit after Southwest retires the brand as well as the fact that Southwest will probably reduce AirTran Atlanta flights for BWI and Orlando. Can see Frontier/Republic airlines being bought out by Delta at some point and Denver/Milwaukee ops downsized in favor of Salt Lake/Minneapolis/Detroit. If not Delta, maybe Alaska, even then it is still a west coast airlinebeer city wrote:Banks = cloutgary kreie wrote:Interesting piece on how Charlotte Airport became a major hub even though they are a smaller city and close to the major hub of Atlanta. They are starting work on their fifth runway.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11897112 ... _ven=YAHOO
What will be interesting to me after the USAir/American dealis if they will make any significant changes on the East Coast? - I think you can consider NY/Laguardia area a hub, Philadelphia, Charlotte and Miami. Delta is essentially serving the eastern seaboard and international flights with two, maybe three hubs, Atlanta and NY/JFX (Detriot?), United the same, Newark and Dulles, Southwest with BWI and Orlando for the most part. Does it really make sense for USAir/American to have multiple hubs on the East Coast? To me, both Philly and Charlotte have expansions plans in the works and both are doing it to be the winner instead of the loser.
Charlotte is concerned however with the new American Airlines. The new airline will have to eliminate several hubs most likely in the next years or at least downsize them. STL has great runways and concourses too - all when AA bought out TWA. AA's smallest hub city will be Charlotte and in close proximity to its Miami and Philly Hubs.
I think Charlotte will feel the pinch.
I think Charlotte will feel the pinch.
Cargo Operations at Lambert STL International growing
http://www.aircargoworld.com/Air-Cargo- ... 11/1713369
http://www.aircargoworld.com/Air-Cargo- ... 11/1713369
^ Every time I read stories like that, it makes me SO FREAKING MAD about how much faster it could be growing (and, by extension, how much faster the city could be growing) if only our state senate had passed that damn bill a couple years ago. We had a real chance to do something transformative there to position us head and shoulders above ALL of our peer cities.
Lambert's bonds upgraded by Fitch from BBB to BBB+.
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... 74076.html
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... 74076.html
Not always.dredger wrote:Being a hub for airline that bought out other airlines probably helps.
America West took over USAirways. Doug Parker was the CEO of America West and will be the CEO once the merger with American takes place.Can't recall if America West bought out US Airways or vice versa. But
believe Pittsburgh was the hub city that took the hit on that one.
However, Pittsburgh was dehubbed about a year before the merger after the fees at PIT went up significantly.
Cincinnati was a DL hub, while Memphis as a NW hub - so your argument about being a hub of an acquiring airline doesn't always hold true.Cinci and Memphis taking hit after Delta bought out Northwest.
, Can see Milwaukee AirTran mini hub presence eventually taking a hit after Southwest retires the brand as well as the fact that Southwest will probably reduce AirTran Atlanta flights for BWI and Orlando. Can see Frontier/Republic airlines being bought out by Delta at some point and Denver/Milwaukee ops downsized in favor of Salt Lake/Minneapolis/Detroit. If not Delta, maybe Alaska, even then it is still a west coast airline
AA will likely keep all of the hubs on the east coast open, although some changes will likely take place. JFK will be used for mostly O/D international travel from New York while connecting international travel will be routed over PHL. MIA is a fortress hub designed perfectly to serve Latin & South America -- CLT cannot do that.What will be interesting to me after the USAir/American dealis if they will make any significant changes on the East Coast? - I think you can consider NY/Laguardia area a hub, Philadelphia, Charlotte and Miami. Does it really make sense for USAir/American to have multiple hubs on the East Coast? To me, both Philly and Charlotte have expansions plans in the works and both are doing it to be the winner instead of the loser.
I think the weakest position is CLT, but still has a very strong market.
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I flew in to terminal 2 last thursday night at 930 and the place was jumping. My group of coworkers was shocked. What a positive site to see.
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Was sitting at Lamberto tonight, MY GOD. It has really gotten much busier!
Terminal 2 is getting really busy. The main terminal not so much. As a frequent traveler I find people's complaints about Lambert amusing. Most US airports have problems. With the recent improvements Lambert is middle of the pack at worst. I think its just hard for everyone here to adjust from the glory days of TWA.
Lambert's air traffic has steadily been ticking up and I'd much rather be riding the Southwest train right now than American.
I am still holding out hope the the Cargo Hub will find new life.
Lambert's air traffic has steadily been ticking up and I'd much rather be riding the Southwest train right now than American.
I am still holding out hope the the Cargo Hub will find new life.
Been a while since one of my business trips went through Memphis but would have been tough to fathom a few years ago that Southwest in STL would have just as much or I think even more flights now then Delta has going out of Memphis with its hub status for years under Northwest.robertn42 wrote:Terminal 2 is getting really busy. The main terminal not so much. As a frequent traveler I find people's complaints about Lambert amusing. Most US airports have problems. With the recent improvements Lambert is middle of the pack at worst. I think its just hard for everyone here to adjust from the glory days of TWA.
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... bb8c2.html
Yet Delta has cut its daily departures in Memphis from about 236 in 2009 to about 94 this year. While that’s still more than some cities of Memphis’ size have, it means getting around the country can require connecting in Atlanta. Salting those wounds, Memphis is also losing its downtown headquarters of Delta Connection carrier Pinnacle Airlines, which is moving to the Minneapolis area.
As far as my own complaints or desires as a business traveler, having the Consolidated Rental Car within walking distance or short tram ride from the terminal is sweat. Shuttle bus just seems a completely inefficient, cumbersome way to handle people in and around airports. Lambert bulldozing old Concourse D, expanding Terminal 2 and slap a rental car in between moves Lambert to above average.
I fully believe travelers look for two things at end of day, how fast you can get into the airport and how fast the plane can leave the ground or vice versa. OK - three, forgot the drink.
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Okay. So I have been thinking for the past few days...Lambert is in very good shape, and it's numbers of passengers is going up, in 2012 it was 13 million. We are also the 23rd busiest airport in the Unites States. We are the 10th biggest hub for a major domestic carrier (SWA) , we have very significant infrastructure for an airport our size, and were once a major international hub. So I was really pondering the possibility of a European route out of KSTL. We have had them before with TWA and early American years, and we can support one. Also, some people from England who worked with my dad said how much they loved it when they could fly from London to STL, but hate O'Hare. Some more evidence that could add to the possibility of an Int'l route is the 787. It has lead to several new int'l routes from Denver. Also with Useless Air and American's merger, American would have almost 16 routes. Is it possible for STL to get a route to London in the next 10 years? Or am I thinking to far ahead of myself?
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FWIW, Lambert does have direct non-stop international flights to Canada, Mexico and a few Central Amercan and Caribbean destnations. But yeah, regaining direct longer-distance and trans-Atlantic flights would be great.
At some point, I have to wonder whether the handful of hubs that handle those flights will become so unpleasant that the numbers in St. Louis will work out. I can't tell you how much I dread flying through O'Hare, Newark, Atlanta and *especially* the airport in Miami... which has to be the meanest, most poorly planned and user-hostile place this side of a Syrian "interview" room.
At some point, I have to wonder whether the handful of hubs that handle those flights will become so unpleasant that the numbers in St. Louis will work out. I can't tell you how much I dread flying through O'Hare, Newark, Atlanta and *especially* the airport in Miami... which has to be the meanest, most poorly planned and user-hostile place this side of a Syrian "interview" room.
^ It will be interesting to see what Southwest does with AirTran's international flights when the merger is finalized, will they cut back on the unprofitable routes, keep the status quo or look for opportunities to expand AirTran's network. If expand, will they look outside of Texas, Chicago, BWI and Southwest to see if some international flights might work for airports like St. Louis? Will they consider another class of airplane - thinking big if Southwest would be put in a Dreamliner order for say a STL to BWI to Europe destination
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dredger wrote:^ It will be interesting to see what Southwest does with AirTran's international flights when the merger is finalized, will they cut back on the unprofitable routes, keep the status quo or look for opportunities to expand AirTran's network. If expand, will they look outside of Texas, Chicago, BWI and Southwest to see if some international flights might work for airports like St. Louis? Will they consider another class of airplane - thinking big if Southwest would be put in a Dreamliner order for say a STL to BWI to Europe destination
My dad spoke to the GM of the St Louis Operations for SWA when he was the Contractor for office renovations, said that STL will get routes to Bermuda and San Juan. No timetable given, but he did say that SWA is restructuring their Nashville operation, so more STL routes are possible. Meanwhile, SWA has cut 5 more routes from Kansas City. They are frantic over there as their passenger numbers are plummeting in an uncontrolled dive.