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PostMar 09, 2007#126

STLMO314 wrote:Interesting note on USAToday's "Today in the Sky" online column...



http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/amtrak_tr ... index.html



My connecting flight is on Amtrak…

This may not be earth-shattering news, but if you’re flying to a high-fare airport, you may save some money by using Amtrak as part of your trip. For example, I’m traveling today to visit family in Jefferson City, Mo., where the closest airport is about 25 miles away and is served by only one carrier. As you might expect, fares are high. To help get around that, I’m using a free flight voucher to fly to St. Louis on United and will then take the St. Louis Metrolink light rail from Lambert Airport to the Amtrak station. The fare from St. Louis to downtown Jefferson City is just $17. Even if I bought a ticket to St. Louis, doing the Jefferson City leg by train as opposed to connecting by air would still save me $150 to $200 based on typical airfares. Of course, this option only works to cities that have convenient Amtrak service to nearby big cities. And though I have 90 minutes between my flight and my train, my train is the last one of the day. If I miss it, I’ll be scrambling for other options.


I did this when I came in last year. I needed to get from LA to San Diego, couldn't rent a car (under 25), flights were outrageously expensive and too long (had to fly into vegas first), so I just booked a 3 hr train ride from LA's Union Station to Downtown San Diego. It was awesome, there's a free bus from LAX to the station, the ticket was like 25 bucks one way, I had a gorgeous scenic view the whole way down to San Diego. It's a great way to see the country. I've traveled amtrak 5 times in the US (Boston to Portland (ME), Chicago to Champaign, Baltimore to Phildelphia, St. Louis to KC, and LA to San Diego), and each time it's been better, cheaper, and more relaxing than driving myself to any of those destinations.



Seriously, if people haven't ridden amtrack yet, they should start. i freakin love amtrak

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PostMar 09, 2007#127

wheelscomp wrote:I think STL would make a great hub for Southwest. Theyre getting huge! I always fly southwest, partly because I prefer the low-key East Terminal, but also because the airline is so great.



...the no assigned seats means I can find the cutest girl to sit next to...


Aren't we already are a hub for SWA?

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PostMar 09, 2007#128

Southwest doesn't really call their main connection cities "hubs"... they shy away from it. But yes, STL does serve as one of SWA main terminal hubs with over 200 flights daily to/from STL and connections through Lambert.

PostMar 11, 2007#129

NEW INFORMATION DISPLAY MONITORS



Crews are working diligently to install two super-sized information display monitors on the ticketing level of Lambert’s Main Terminal. Passengers will soon have immediate access to flight information displayed on a bank of monitors which are housed in two huge space frames mounted over the escalators at the east and west ends of the ticketing level. “I think they’re awesome and huge,” smiled Marilyn Walker. The mother of two young children was visiting Lambert to pick-up her husband who was returning to St. Louis after a business trip to Detroit. “All the information you need will be available and easy to read. You can’t ask for more than that,” said Walker. The information system is scheduled to be up and running this month.



you can see the new boards here:



http://www.lambert-stlouis.com/index/about_New.html



Very nice looking!

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PostMar 30, 2007#130

Delta is going to begin flying JFK-STL in June. Hopefully this will lower the really expensive prices between New York and St Louis...



http://news.delta.com/article_display.c ... e_id=10618

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PostApr 03, 2007#131

Some breaking new...




Lambert's director resigns

By Elisa Crouch

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

04/03/2007



Airport Director Kevin Dolliole announced this morning that he’s resigning as chief at Lambert Field, after less than two years on the job, to be with his family in San Antonio.



Dolliole, 51, began as airport director in May, 2005, having led San Antonio International Airport for six years before that. His wife and daughter, now a senior in high school, wanted to stay there.



"My family does need me," Dolliole said. "In the not too distant future, I’ll seek other employment."



St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay named Richard Hrabko airport director effective April 23. The $105 million renovation of the Main Terminal, which Dolliole unveiled in February, is expected to go forward.



Hrabko, 68, is the director of Spirit of St. Louis Airport in Chesterfield, and is credited with building the general aviation airport from scratch. He’s member of the airport commission at Lambert. Hrabko said he intends to follow through with Dolliole’s vision for a renovated main terminal.



"You’ve done a fabulous job leading that process," he told Dolliole at a press conference.



In his 23 months at Lambert, Dolliole oversaw completion of a $1 billion runway. He led negotiations with airlines over leases. He also focused on improving the passenger experience and led development of plans for an extensive airport makeover — more stores and restaurants, terrazzo floors and pedestrian bridges from the parking garage to the ticketing area — to be complete by 2012.



Prior to San Antonio, Dolliole had spent 10 years managing nearly every aspect of operations at New Orleans International Airport, where he became acting director in 1999. He also worked as chief agent and passenger service manager for now-defunct Eastern Airlines.


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PostApr 03, 2007#132

Hrabko was the interim Director in early 2005 when the search that resulted in hiring Dolliole was conducted. Since 1980, Hrabko has been the St. Louis County's director of aviation, the Spirit of St. Louis airport in Chesterfield. It was reported in the StLBJ that he's worked at SoStL since 1964. On the surface, I'm not too excited about this - it's always fun to see a visionary who has transformed another facility take charge, but what do I know? In the end a Director can only do what there's a budget to do. BTW - I don't buy the "spend time with my family excuse." Your daughter's a senior - presumably she's going away to college next year anyway, why not WU or SLU, etc.? Anyone know anything about the behind-the-scenes action?

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PostApr 03, 2007#133

Grover wrote:Hrabko was the interim Director in early 2005 when the search that resulted in hiring Dolliole was conducted. Since 1980, Hrabko has been the St. Louis County's director of aviation, the Spirit of St. Louis airport in Chesterfield. It was reported in the StLBJ that he's worked at SoStL since 1964. On the surface, I'm not too excited about this - it's always fun to see a visionary who has transformed another facility take charge, but what do I know? In the end a Director can only do what there's a budget to do. BTW - I don't buy the "spend time with my family excuse." Your daughter's a senior - presumably she's going away to college next year anyway, why not WU or SLU, etc.? Anyone know anything about the behind-the-scenes action?


I don't have any behind the scenes info, but on the news yesterday (fox I think) they mentioned that he turned in his resignation letter way back on March 6th.

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PostApr 03, 2007#134

Disappointing news - hopefully the upcoming improvement projects will stay on track.

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PostApr 03, 2007#135

How unfortunate. He seemed to be doing such a good job. Keep an eye out for where he goes next and if his wife follows. We'll know then if she wasn't feeling St. Louis. I can't see why she would be so adamant about not moving - jeopardizing her husband. I'll be googling him in two years to see where he's landed.



Sidebar: It could be that the vibe and cost of living in San Antonio is a lot like New Orleans. Southern, heavily Catholic, rich in history and architecture, with a modest Black creole community (Dolliole and his wife are "Black" Creoles). With them being from New Orleans, it's probably like home to his wife now (especially since Katrina). Just a guess.



Although St. Louis has southern flavor, is heavily Catholic and rich in history, St. Louis' Afro Creole community is very small to almost non-existent. From San Antonio over to Atlanta (primarily along the Gulf Coast) there are small to large Creole communities.



I don't know if this played a factor or not, but it is worth noting.

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PostApr 04, 2007#136

^ All good points Arch City. However, anyway you cut it, I think this is a loss for the region. I think Dolliole was making a positive impact on Lambert (simple improvements like new monitors and better stores on the C concourse) than Griggs had made in years. Hopefuly the new guy will keep the airport moving forward, though I am somewhat concerned about a potential conflict of interest given his role with Spirt of St. Louis.

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PostApr 04, 2007#137

They should keep Dolliole on the payroll as a consultant, have him come in to town on a regular basis.

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PostApr 05, 2007#138

I just hope we can lure jetblue. I remember insiders on airliners.net a while back saying we pissed off jetblue and they lost interest in flying to STL. Hopefully the new guy can bring them in. Airtran finally came to St Louis after service came to Flint, MI, Bloomington, IL, and even Moline, IL. St Louis is the 18th largest metro in the US, we should not be getting service after Moline (I literally had to wikipedia the place to find what state it was in). Jetblue currently flys to a bunch of smaller metros (salt lake city, Austin, nashville) and not st louis. Maybe this new guy will reinstate negotiations.

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PostApr 06, 2007#139

Airlines today are cautious to enter markets.



Southwest doesn't fly to a lot of cities (i/e: Atlanta) because of saturation of AirTran.



STL has hubs for American and Southwest.

Finding the right "niche" and price is what it is all about.



With JetBlue's recent problems, I understand they are not agressively seeking new destinations until 2008.

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PostApr 06, 2007#140

I partially agree to your Jetblue point-though many of the airports/routes served by Jetblue are hubs and are in direct competition with, in many cases, multiple airlines for routes. STL - NYC really only has had one main airline serving it, AA (minus continental into newark and now Delta into JFK starting this summer), so there is definately room there for competition, some routes from St Louis have 3, sometimes 4 airlines serving it (i.e. Atlanta will have 3 with Airtran, Orlando will have 4 with Airtran if you include Allegiant from Midamerica). And Airtran just does not care about hubs/going up against competition. It it based in Atlanta, like Delta, and goes up directly against Delta in most of their flights. The reason that we didnt get it until after small, random towns has got to be because of lambert officials.



STL has failed to attract Jetblue because of lambert people doing something to piss them off, see earlier traffic on jetblue and a section on airliners.net. I just hope it can be remedied.

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PostApr 17, 2007#141

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busine ... enDocument


Lambert airport hopes to lure more flights with $5 million incentive program

By Tim Logan

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

04/17/2007



In their latest bid to sell new airlines on flying to St. Louis, Lambert Field officials are trying an old trick of salesmen everywhere. You might call it fly now, pay later.



An incentive program approved last week by the Airport Authority would waive landing fees and terminal rental costs for at least six months for any airline that launches new flights here. Lambert will set aside $5 million over the next two-plus years for the program, and officials hope it'll be enough to tip an on-the-fence airline into adding service in St. Louis.



"It gives us an edge," said Brian Kinsey, Lambert's manager of business and marketing. "If it's a toss-up, we hope that this program will get them here."



It's an increasingly common tactic in a world of risk-averse airlines and airports hungry for more flights. Many cities, from Miami to Columbus, Ohio, have added similar programs in recent years. At Lambert, where flights and passenger traffic nose-dived after American Airlines cut back in 2003, it's a first.



"This makes us much more competitive than we were a week ago," Kinsey said. "We actually have the ability to entice carriers to come here."



Under the program, Lambert will offer to waive landing fees and terminal rental costs for nine months for new carriers, and six months on the additional landing fees and terminal rent for an existing airline that adds service.



The total will be capped at $5 million through June 2009. To get the money, a new airline must stay put for two years, an existing carrier for one year.



Airlines say the money can help them choose a city, but they don't want to start service they can't sustain.



For them, opening in a new market is a big investment. Equipment, hiring and training, marketing and other costs can easily top $10 million, experts say.



"You end up losing a massive amount of money in the first year or so," said Tad Hutcheson, spokesman for AirTran Airways, which is starting service at Lambert next month.



"The goal for both airline and airport is to get the route to profitability as soon as possible."



Landing fees are based on weight of the plane— Lambert's are $5.73 per 1,000 pounds. So for AirTran, which by June will have four daily Boeing 717 flights to Atlanta and one to Orlando, the waiver could save about $100,000 a month, which doesn't include terminal rental discounts.



Lambert had discussed the proposed incentives with AirTran months ago, and that helped the airline decide to come to St. Louis.



"It's not the factor, but it's certainly a factor," Hutcheson said. "It's icing on the cake."



It is less clear whether existing carriers will jump in.



American Airlines, for instance, could qualify for six months of discounts if it added flights to a new city. In a statement, the airline said it "certainly will consider" Lambert's program when expanding in the future.



Steve Sisneros, manager of properties for Southwest Airlines, said the incentives would be "a piece of a multifaceted puzzle" of its route planning at Lambert. But the airline is not going to add unprofitable service.



As Lambert's two biggest carriers, American and Southwest already figure heavily in its other incentive programs: cash for airline marketing and a deal to reduce fees starting next year to all carriers if overall passenger traffic climbs. But this is the first offered specifically to lure new service.



It's a good move, said aviation consultant Michael Boyd, especially for an airport like Lambert. Smaller airports often offer such programs but can't sustain the service, he said.



St. Louis is big and stable enough to be more attractive, and it has gates available now.



"In the case of St. Louis it makes a lot of sense, and it doesn't give the store away," Boyd said. "It says, 'Come here. We're not asleep.'"…"

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PostApr 17, 2007#142

this is encouraging, hopefully it not only gets the exisiting airlines to add flights, but can lure some new airlines.

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PostApr 17, 2007#143

It appears to at least put us with Columbus, OH and others in terms of doing something to lure air traffic.

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PostApr 17, 2007#144

St. Louis looks like a promising destination for Columbus, OH start-up cheapie called Skybus. They're basing their model largely on that of Ryanair in Europe, meaning even cheaper flights than Southwest. Speculation also says this might have been done to get JetBlue back for negotiations as apparently the airline walked away before when STL didn't offer incentives.



Speaking of Ryanair, they are looking to begin trans-atlantic operations with concentrations on underserved destinations in the US like STL, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, etc. though, as is Ryanair's strategy, they might very well fly into Mid-America and not Lambert. If this doesn't happen though, St. Louis will likely not see any European service until AA makes a substantial pullout from area, because Origin/Destination traffic exists for the area, but as long as AA has stronger hubs in Chicago and Dallas-Fort Worth and subsidized flights through Raleigh-Durham and extensive London operations from JFK in New York, any St. Louis international passenger is easy to funnel into one of those airports.

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PostApr 17, 2007#145

cheap Ryanair trans-Atlantic flights out of Mid-America? I'd take it in a heartbeat! Plus Mid-America will be connected via MetroLink before long.

That's better connectivity than many European cities I've flown into w/ Ryanair. Often I had to take an hour or longer bus ride into town from the far out smaller airport (Brussells & Barcelona had this, for example)

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PostApr 17, 2007#146

RyanAir at MidAmerica would rock! Not only would it bring some international travellers to St. Louis - I'd be on it all the time! You're right about the Metro connection making it ideal - they fly to some out-of-the-way places around Europe!

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PostApr 17, 2007#147

^ That would be a complete waste of resources. Come on. Lambert is the main aiport. Mid America is a failure as a passenger airport. Can't we all accept these facts?

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PostApr 17, 2007#148

^ ?



What do you mean a waste of resources? RyanAir flies wherever it's cheaper to land and where air traffic is at a minimum. Certainly Lambert would be too mainstrean/expensive. Assuming that MidAmerica is to be connected by Metro (Illinois seems willing to pay for this) then why does it matter? Obviously MidAmerca isn't a passenger airport at all right now - but I don't see why that couldn't change.



BTW - it's not just in this thread, but people seem to missuse the word "fact" quite often.

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PostApr 17, 2007#149

Call me crazy, but the fact that a number of airlines have moved into Mid America and then summarily gone bankrupt or pulled their service works well for me as a “fact” that Mid America is an airport that the region does not (and frankly cannot) support.



I mean come on, something like 2 million of the 2.8 million people in the region live on the Missouri side, reducing MidAmerica's ability to capture part of the St. Louis metro air market. This is not 1972 when a Waterloo airport was a viable choice. To bulk of the St. Louis metro is simply too far west for Mid America to work. Moreover, residents recognize Lambert clearly as the regions primary airport. Many don't even think about MidAmerica.



If the region or any airport individually should be throwing money at airlines to lure international service it should be Lambert (you know, our “international” airport). Metrolink service or not, (and lest we forget that Lambert has Metrolink service as well) putting international flights, domestic flights, any passenger flights at MidAmerica (perhaps except for charter service) would be a gross mistake. MidAmerica has found its niche as a freight airport and should not be lured off this path by the promise of another failed dabble in passenger air service.

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PostApr 17, 2007#150

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I would drive four hours to say, Chicago, if Ryanair had international flights out of that city. They are ridiculously cheap!! -- I flew from London to Barcelona for like $12. If they offered transAtlantic flights for a couple hundred...I wouldn't give a crap where they flew out of... I'd be thankful they'd chosen STL at all! And like Grover was saying...it doesn't matter if Lambert is the major airport...Ryanair doesn't fly into major airports...that's why it's so cheap. They fly out of Stansted Airport in London (30 miles NE of London)...not Heathrow, not Gatwick, but their third tier airport.. For Paris, they fly out of Beauvais Airport (50 miles outside of the city!), not Charles de Gaulle, not Orly Airport, but again, their third-tier "budget airline" airport. That's their business model...there are drawbacks but they offer incredible savings.

Besides, I thought there was still one budget passenger airline flying out of Mid-America that flies to Orlando and Las Vegas.

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