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Despicable...pathetic...embarrassing...A couple thoughts:

1) Stenger refusing to entertain a change with the city doesn't help

2) our 104 munis don't help.

Man, look at D-Town! Cleaning our clocks so to speak!

I remember seeing that the big reason is that locally there was a 2nd job loss period around 2012. What was the reason for that? Is this connected to issues with the coal industry?

^ uh, oh. the haterz are gonna have a field day with this.

And yesterday the Wall Street Journal had front page story on how Ferguson businesses are still struggling.

You can go to the original source for the raw numbers. Just hover over the circles with your pointer. I couldn't get to Philly's though because it's buried behind others. It looks Milwaukee-sized though so probably about 5-6%.

^ any theory as to what the issue is locally? I remember seeing some data that showed locally there was a 2nd recession and job loss period in 2011-12 that didn't occur elsewhere. This number might be showing this in part, but that also brings up why that happened.

Holy moose's antlers no wonder why we're the punching bag of America fragmented region stagnant to decreasing population high crime one of the most segregated regions if not the most highly polluted the blues Ferguson Rams leaving inability to attract jobs now the Cardinals.. Definitely feel like these are darkest days of Saint.Louis with no end in sight. We're all losers for a reasoning. Im not a Saint.Louis basher i just feel like theres no hope for Saint.Louis if there is please let me know!

St.Louis1764 wrote:I left out McKee Roberts alone have already done collateral damage to Saint.Louis our developments lack any sense of character as in beautification take for instance the new miss river bridge coming into downtown theres no shrubs or flowering trees no signs that say welcome to downtown Saint.Louis the epicenter of our region. It's just things like those that baffles me. Even beautifying your highways expressways boulevards Rds avenues & St's would give out a good perception that people here do care. The blight alone is already like looking at thousands of dead corpse hanging from tree's

I'm guessing you just changed your birth control meds, 'cause your periods are all over the place.

Last person leaving? The graph shows an increase of 41,000 jobs in the StL area in ~5 years.

I think St. Louis was a very fragile region and at a critical inflection point even before Ferguson. Ferguson definitely pulled the scab off of major wounds in regards to race, class, economics, civic and governmental dysfunction etc., but now what is more troubling for me is the total lack of movement on the change front. Its been almost a year since Ferguson, but despite the ticket writing bill what else has been done? It seems like there is little recognition from our leaders that St. Louis need BIG change if we ever want to be a competitive region again. I actually think it will get worse before it gets better for one reason..FERGUSON..unfortunately that will likely define us for a generation. Could you imagine a young person (especially an ethnic minority) having to choose between a job offer in St. Louis vs. Indianapolis, Columbus, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Nashville etc. (not to mention Denver, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston Seattle, any major coastal city etc.)? Ferguson alone would be a major deterrent, because the perception would be hmmm...shouId I take a job in a progressive, growing, clean, modern city or a dysfunctional, high crime, racist, cultural backwater, stagnant/declining central city? and even though that's not the whole story, perception often becomes reality.

Holy Sh*t.

Slower job growth than Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, Rochester, Hartford, and Providence, all of which have slower population growth (and even population losses) compared to St. Louis? And slower than Memphis and Birmingham? What?

blzhrpmd2 wrote:I'd be curious to hear how Peacock would spin/defend something like this if used as amunition by the NFL.

I think this would be a non-issue. The move is about getting a team to Los Angeles, the second largest media market in the country. Not punishing a city for slow growth. The NFL is perfectly happy and long list of slow, no, and negative growth cities.

goat314 wrote:I think St. Louis was a very fragile region and at a critical inflection point even before Ferguson. Ferguson definitely pulled the scab off of major wounds in regards to race, class, economics, civic and governmental dysfunction etc., but now what is more troubling for me is the total lack of movement on the change front. Its been almost a year since Ferguson, but despite the ticket writing bill what else has been done? It seems like there is little recognition from our leaders that St. Louis need BIG change if we ever want to be a competitive region again. I actually think it will get worse before it gets better for one reason..FERGUSON..unfortunately that will likely define us for a generation. Could you imagine a young person (especially an ethnic minority) having to choose between a job offer in St. Louis vs. Indianapolis, Columbus, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Nashville etc. (not to mention Denver, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston Seattle, any major coastal city etc.)? Ferguson alone would be a major deterrent, because the perception would be hmmm...shouId I take a job in a progressive, growing, clean, modern city or a dysfunctional, high crime, racist, cultural backwater, stagnant/declining central city? and even though that's not the whole story, perception often becomes reality.

The example I keep thinking is Birmingham 1960s. They are still dealing with what happened there in that era and the reactionary tone they did there with Bull Connor's actions.

The other issue is that even if the leaders think that big changes are needed, the people may refuse to change. And if that is the case what can you do? I've seen more than a few examples of a reactionary backlash in people's views entrenching in parochialism and whatnot.