St. Louis in the National Media

cteclipse · PostApr 19, 2024#26262024-04-19T15:05+00:00

The problem I see is the local outlets, aka Biz Journal, various local media, and many county nay-sayers dwell on and push the negative news. There have been so many positive articles and stories about the city and region lately which have only gathered a quick mention (or God forbid you read the comments section). I'd love to see that reversed.

I travel all the time, I was in NM a few years back and the headline was Albuquerque is the #1 city for filming movies. EVERY local station was running away with this and celebrating. STL has had the #1 or #2 city for beer, food, parks, zoo and it makes the news as basically a footnote. Yet when a skewed article is published everyone seems to jump on the doom bandwagon. It'd be great if the collective minds from this group can publish a rebuttal.

goat314 · PostApr 19, 2024#26272024-04-19T15:14+00:00

cteclipse wrote: ↑
Apr 19, 2024
The problem I see is the local outlets, aka Biz Journal, various local media, and many county nay-sayers dwell on and push the negative news. There have been so many positive articles and stories about the city and region lately which have only gathered a quick mention (or God forbid you read the comments section). I'd love to see that reversed.

I travel all the time, I was in NM a few years back and the headline was Albuquerque is the #1 city for filming movies. EVERY local station was running away with this and celebrating. STL has had the #1 or #2 city for beer, food, parks, zoo and it makes the news as basically a footnote. Yet when a skewed article is published everyone seems to jump on the doom bandwagon. It'd be great if the collective minds from this group can publish a rebuttal.

I went to Albuquerque last year. That place is very depressing.

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostApr 22, 2024#26282024-04-22T14:28+00:00

Positive articles: 7 comments

Negative Articles: 451 comments

STLEnginerd · PostApr 22, 2024#26292024-04-22T15:14+00:00

goat314 wrote: ↑
Apr 19, 2024
cteclipse wrote: ↑
Apr 19, 2024
The problem I see is the local outlets, aka Biz Journal, various local media, and many county nay-sayers dwell on and push the negative news. There have been so many positive articles and stories about the city and region lately which have only gathered a quick mention (or God forbid you read the comments section). I'd love to see that reversed.

I travel all the time, I was in NM a few years back and the headline was Albuquerque is the #1 city for filming movies. EVERY local station was running away with this and celebrating. STL has had the #1 or #2 city for beer, food, parks, zoo and it makes the news as basically a footnote. Yet when a skewed article is published everyone seems to jump on the doom bandwagon. It'd be great if the collective minds from this group can publish a rebuttal.
I went to Albuquerque last year. That place is very depressing.

Not sure why this comment has any more merit than a hit piece article on St. Louis. Its been 8 years since i was there but i liked Albuquerque. At least their Old Town was pretty fun and the Sandia Mountain Cable Car is a neat feature. Every town has good and bad areas though. So your mileage may vary.

DogtownBnR · PostApr 29, 2024#26302024-04-29T13:14+00:00

The "St. Louis doom loop" articles keep on coming. The gift that keeps on giving. Hopefully a few years down the road we'll see the "great comeback" articles. We are currently being abused like Detroit was for years. This bad PR is awful with regards to attracting anything new. STL needs one of those companies to erase bad articles when people search St. Louis. (Reputation defender).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... bile=false

matguy70 · PostMay 02, 2024#26312024-05-02T03:43+00:00

'Nobody knows': Outsiders think St. Louis is smaller than it really is

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... HapXB9qwCi

DogtownBnR · PostMay 02, 2024#26322024-05-02T11:52+00:00

^All goes back to the City being independent of the County as we know. So stupid that we are pushing the "60th largest city". Like I always say, the great divorce is the absolute worst thing to happen to our region in our history.

whitherSTL · PostMay 02, 2024#26332024-05-02T12:49+00:00

I find it odd that our 2 leaders, Tishaura and Page, who are so similar politically, haven’t even made an attempt towards reunification. The personal rewards and power of the status quo must be too attractive.

DogtownBnR · PostMay 02, 2024#26342024-05-02T13:02+00:00

^ That is exactly it. Nobody wants to give up power for the greater good. We need politicians that really love this region and want to what is truly best for our future. Unfortunately, we have not had that type of visionary leadership that can unite us and make us realize the damage these divisions are doing to St. Louis. How far behind do we have to fall in all categories before somebody steps up to make a historic change. Our reputation nationally has reached the 90's Detroit level. That takes a generation to get over. When will constituents who love this place demand better?!

whitherSTL · PostMay 02, 2024#26352024-05-02T13:14+00:00

DogtownBnR wrote: ↑
May 02, 2024
^ That is exactly it. Nobody wants to give up power for the greater good. We need politicians that really love this region and want to what is truly best for our future. Unfortunately, we have not had that type of visionary leadership that can unite us and make us realize the damage these divisions are doing to St. Louis. How far behind do we have to fall in all categories before somebody steps up to make a historic change. Our reputation nationally has reached the 90's Detroit level. That takes a generation to get over. When will constituents who love this place demand better?!

And watching the NFL draft in Detroit, seeing the skyscrapers being built as all political and business leaders have complete buy-in. We really are a joke.

addxb2 · PostMay 02, 2024#26362024-05-02T13:37+00:00

I think we could see a “unification” proposal in the near term (1-3 years).

My prediction: City of St. Louis will be reincorporated as a municipality of St. Louis County. County PD will consume SLMPD, forever ending risk of state takeover. County (with city resident representation) will also takeover city libraries, public health, management of arterials, and the Airport.

DogtownBnR · PostMay 02, 2024#26372024-05-02T13:42+00:00

^How does regional leadership get everyone to buy-in? Does this have to come via vote in the STL City & County? If so, I would find it hard to fathom, considering the current PR issue the City is going through. I can't remember a time in my life where St. Louis City had a worse reputation and a worse political climate. People in this region have typically been very negative and self-loathing, but I think it has reached an all-time high. Something has to reverse this ASAP

addxb2 · PostMay 02, 2024#26382024-05-02T13:53+00:00

City will have to spin this as a plea and concede. Although that won’t be the case. Crime is at a ten year low and city is on its best financial footing in a generation. Many days recently I’d rather be the Mayor than the County Executive.

I’d also highlight the fact that the city will only be a municipality.

dbInSouthCity · PostMay 02, 2024#26392024-05-02T13:57+00:00

addxb2 wrote: ↑
May 02, 2024
I think we could see a “unification” proposal in the near term (1-3 years).

My prediction: City of St. Louis will be reincorporated as a municipality of St. Louis County. County PD will consume SLMPD, forever ending risk of state takeover. County (with city resident representation) will also takeover city libraries, public health, management of arterials, and the Airport.

Considering the budget issues the county is having, I don’t think the City would ever give up control over those, especially the airport nor should it.

JaneJacobsGhost · PostMay 02, 2024#26402024-05-02T14:00+00:00

This isn’t the national media.

The BJs incessant StL doom loop coverage is a bummer. It feels like they’ve shifted resources from actual business reporting to this crap. Innovation page is not nearly as active as was a short time ago.

RockChalkSTL · PostMay 02, 2024#26412024-05-02T14:20+00:00

I don't see reunification efforts going anywhere anytime soon.

I truly think Better Together will end up killing the appetite for discussion about the topic for a decade.

whitherSTL · PostMay 02, 2024#26422024-05-02T14:58+00:00

addxb2 wrote: ↑
May 02, 2024
City will have to spin this as a plea and concede. Although that won’t be the case. Crime is at a ten year low and city is on its best financial footing in a generation. Many days recently I’d rather be the Mayor than the County Executive.

I’d also highlight the fact that the city will only be a municipality.

Is this just a hunch on your part?

addxb2 · PostMay 02, 2024#26432024-05-02T15:03+00:00

Yes.

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostMay 02, 2024#26442024-05-02T17:06+00:00

Giving up the airport entirely, as an exceptional asset, is unlikely. But could county participation at sone level be dangled as a carrot to voters?

quincunx · PostMay 02, 2024#26452024-05-02T17:36+00:00

The county already gets sales taxes from it.

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostMay 03, 2024#26462024-05-03T13:40+00:00

Can you give me the cliff notes on that mechanism?

And why then would anyone care who runs/owns it? (Other than Steve Ehlmann)

STLEnginerd · PostMay 03, 2024#26472024-05-03T16:00+00:00

logically it should be run by a joint port authority. The real questions are
-What would the city get out of giving it up?
-How does this help assure long-term stability and growth of the airport?

The city toyed with the idea of privatization and thankfully backed off of that, but just giving up the airport gets them what? THe privilage of joining St. Louis County which is itself seeing at least a leveling off and possibly a decline in population in the near future. A county which has shown regular disdain for the city in many ways. A city which is showing signs of population stabilization and an increase in the average affluence of its residents meaning a steady increase in tax returns YOY despite population changes.

I want the county and city to reunify but the fact that the county has regularly thumbed there nose at the city through its hardest years now wants to catch them on the rise to subsidize the county which is starting to show its age and was built in an unsustainable way is not something that strikes me as an appealing agreement. The county still wants to believe they are in the same position as they were in the 1990s.

gone corporate · PostMay 05, 2024#26482024-05-05T19:54+00:00

Following-up on the Wall Street Journal article about Downtown STL being in a "doom loop"... I'm wondering how much of that article was meant to fit an overall narrative on the decline of Class A office rentals in cities nationwide. We're going to see a lot of major US city office buildings having to take on onerous mortgage refinancing in the near future, as many have 5-year terms and are now due to come up in this high inflation, high interest rate economy. The consequences of not obtaining quality refinancing while recognizing decreased tenancies will be bankruptcies (we've already seen some bankruptcies for office buildings in our Downtown). Perhaps the Journal's trying to further a storyline about how dangerous such refinancing will be and just struck gold on a narrative about Downtown STL? Just a thought, and I'm certainly not saying that story was either a hit piece or that it wasn't deserved.

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostMay 06, 2024#26492024-05-06T14:25+00:00

gone corporate wrote: ↑
May 05, 2024
Following-up on the Wall Street Journal article about Downtown STL being in a "doom loop"... I'm wondering how much of that article was meant to fit an overall narrative on the decline of Class A office rentals in cities nationwide. We're going to see a lot of major US city office buildings having to take on onerous mortgage refinancing in the near future, as many have 5-year terms and are now due to come up in this high inflation, high interest rate economy. The consequences of not obtaining quality refinancing while recognizing decreased tenancies will be bankruptcies (we've already seen some bankruptcies for office buildings in our Downtown). Perhaps the Journal's trying to further a storyline about how dangerous such refinancing will be and just struck gold on a narrative about Downtown STL? Just a thought, and I'm certainly not saying that story was either a hit piece or that it wasn't deserved.

I was wondering this same thing. A lot of the daily podcasts I listen to tend overlap quite a bit, Today Explained, Marketplace, Post Reports, and just NPR in general have all done pieces on the upcoming doom loop. I guarantee they saw the heavily discounted sale of AT&T and saw a perfect opportunity to demonstrate this process.

I wouldn't say it's a hit-piece on STL as much as we are collateral damage from a writer who wanted to write about the consequences of the very real recession in office real estate but didn't care to provide all of the context

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostMay 07, 2024#26502024-05-07T10:40+00:00

https://www.yahoo.com/news/auditors-can ... am1INJxdrg

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