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PostNov 06, 2017#1451

arch city wrote:First, the WSJ leans conservative. The WSJ rarely writes positive pieces on St. Louis.

On top of that, considering the number of new apartments under construction, renovation and planned - nope - St. Louis is not losing population. Perhaps - as usual - it is growing slower than the national average - but not losing.

Keep in mind that millennials prefer renting and St. Louis consistently ranks as a top city for millennials in a number of measurements. That said, new multi-million dollar subdivisions are planned all across the region. Definitely not a sign a dwindling population.

There may be some population shifting - as usual - but not any losses.

Write Shaydi Raice (Shayndi.Raice@wsj.com) at the WSJ.

Ask her what sources she used in order to determine "The St. Louis region is losing population......."

She could come back and say, "I meant to say St. Louis City or St. Louis County" or both. If that's the case, they don't represent the entire region.

^^ THIS.


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PostNov 06, 2017#1452

US Census Bureau site numbers.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tab ... l?src=bkmk

St. Louis, MO-IL Metro Area

2010 2,790,092
2011 2,793,811
2012 2,796,903
2013 2,800,154
2014 2,804,862
2015 2,808,330
2016 2,807,002

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PostNov 28, 2017#1453

Okay, a bit of an interesting thing is happening on snapchats Snap Map right now. Snap Map not only shows you where your friends are, but it lets you see snap “stories” in places all over the world. I frequently look at St Louis, however currently there is a “feature” snap story in St Louis. These are for high profile events or breaking news. It’s titled “St Louis Incident” and it appears to be occurring in the West End. Is anything going on there? Nothing in the story seems to be indicative of a serious emergency, nothing is on the news either . I only post because typically a snap “incident” revolves around a mass shooting and/or serious act of Terror.


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PostNov 29, 2017#1454

Chalupas54 wrote:Okay, a bit of an interesting thing is happening on snapchats Snap Map right now. Snap Map not only shows you where your friends are, but it lets you see snap “stories” in places all over the world. I frequently look at St Louis, however currently there is a “feature” snap story in St Louis. These are for high profile events or breaking news. It’s titled “St Louis Incident” and it appears to be occurring in the West End. Is anything going on there? Nothing in the story seems to be indicative of a serious emergency, nothing is on the news either . I only post because typically a snap “incident” revolves around a mass shooting and/or serious act of Terror.


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PostDec 13, 2017#1455

St Louis reconnect with the Gateway Arch and Its Pioneer Spirit
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/busi ... -arch.html

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PostDec 13, 2017#1456

^Nice article. Kind of silly of them to compare the number of Arch visitors last year to earlier years, though. I mean, it was a construction zone, ya know?

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PostDec 15, 2017#1457

I know this article on the Hyperloop is a few months old, but I stumbled across it and got pissed. Who in the hell do these KC people think they are, fn Chicago or Dallas? This new found arrogance is getting ridiculous! They are so obsessed with one-upping STL.( nothing new ). KCStar never passes up a chance to rip STL.
"But before we get too hyped-up about Hyperloop, can we at least have a conversation? For starters, we’d like a little more information about the demand to travel back-and-forth between St. Louis and Kansas City. We understand the interest our friends in St. Louis have in visiting Kansas City. We’re on a roll, after all, with our burgeoning downtown and winning NFL football team.

But St. Louis? Its population is in decline, and the city hasn’t produced a World Series champion since way back in 2011. Seriously, though, how many of us are in a screaming rush to get to St. Louis? And how much would you pay for it?"
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansasci ... 99656.html

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PostDec 15, 2017#1458

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Dec 15, 2017
I know this article on the Hyperloop is a few months old, but I stumbled across it and got pissed. Who in the hell do these KC people think they are, fn Chicago or Dallas? This new found arrogance is getting ridiculous! They are so obsessed with one-upping STL.( nothing new ). KCStar never passes up a chance to rip STL.
"But before we get too hyped-up about Hyperloop, can we at least have a conversation? For starters, we’d like a little more information about the demand to travel back-and-forth between St. Louis and Kansas City. We understand the interest our friends in St. Louis have in visiting Kansas City. We’re on a roll, after all, with our burgeoning downtown and winning NFL football team.

But St. Louis? Its population is in decline, and the city hasn’t produced a World Series champion since way back in 2011. Seriously, though, how many of us are in a screaming rush to get to St. Louis? And how much would you pay for it?"
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansasci ... 99656.html
This was posted a while back. The inferiority complex is insane.

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PostDec 15, 2017#1459

Personally it's very childish journalism i mean who goes out of their own way to be little another city? Yeah KC has things going on but so does St.Louis and from what i remember St.Louis still has 11 World series to KC's 2.
Anyways KC is yesterdays news come back to me when they are actually relevant and I'm not talking BBQ. :roll: :lol:

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PostDec 15, 2017#1460

Chalupas54 wrote:
Dec 15, 2017
DogtownBnR wrote:
Dec 15, 2017
I know this article on the Hyperloop is a few months old, but I stumbled across it and got pissed. Who in the hell do these KC people think they are, fn Chicago or Dallas? This new found arrogance is getting ridiculous! They are so obsessed with one-upping STL.( nothing new ). KCStar never passes up a chance to rip STL.
"But before we get too hyped-up about Hyperloop, can we at least have a conversation? For starters, we’d like a little more information about the demand to travel back-and-forth between St. Louis and Kansas City. We understand the interest our friends in St. Louis have in visiting Kansas City. We’re on a roll, after all, with our burgeoning downtown and winning NFL football team.

But St. Louis? Its population is in decline, and the city hasn’t produced a World Series champion since way back in 2011. Seriously, though, how many of us are in a screaming rush to get to St. Louis? And how much would you pay for it?"
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansasci ... 99656.html
This was posted a while back. The inferiority complex is insane.
I mean...there's considerable dumping on Chicago in these parts. Last few replies in the M&A thread can't even fathom why a business would want to locate there...

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PostDec 15, 2017#1461

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I mean...there's considerable dumping on Chicago in these parts. Last few replies in the M&A thread can't even fathom why a business would want to locate there...
Difference being that urbanstl is not a professional journal. Also, not just a business locating, it’s one of our largest businesses potentially RE-locating. I think a little bitterness is warranted.

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PostDec 15, 2017#1462

urban_dilettante wrote:
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ricke002 wrote:
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I mean...there's considerable dumping on Chicago in these parts. Last few replies in the M&A thread can't even fathom why a business would want to locate there...
Difference being that urbanstl is not a professional journal. Also, not just a business locating, it’s one of our largest businesses potentially RE-locating. I think a little bitterness is warranted.
Showing concern for losing a major corporation and dumbfounded that a corporation would chose to move to the 3rd largest CSA in the country are two entirely different things.

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PostDec 15, 2017#1463

Ways to shut down haters:

1. Be Confident
2. Keep Doing Well
3. Ignore Them

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PostDec 16, 2017#1464

ricke002 wrote:
Dec 15, 2017
urban_dilettante wrote:
Dec 15, 2017

Difference being that urbanstl is not a professional journal. Also, not just a business locating, it’s one of our largest businesses potentially RE-locating. I think a little bitterness is warranted.
Showing concern for losing a major corporation and dumbfounded that a corporation would chose to move to the 3rd largest CSA in the country are two entirely different things.
I think urban_dilettante has a point. I might say rotten things about Chicago or San Francisco in the heat of the moment. (Even though I actually mostly like both towns.) But I'm not the Post Dispatch. The article in the Star carried their editorial board's byline. So . . . it wasn't even a guest opinion. The editorial board signed off on that. There might be members of the Post Dispatch on this forum. (I'm fairly certain there are, in fact.) But there's a difference between a personal post on an internet bulletin board and an editorial from a major daily. And honestly, the noxious mixture of braggadocio and invective wasn't even particularly central to the opinion. It was a triviality included for color. There's enough cross state ugly without that kind of juvenile nonsense.

That said, it's not really worth wasting too much time on it. It's just an editorial. And even with the imprimatur there was probably only one primary author, albeit likely working off notes from a meeting. Sure. There are people there that dislike St. Louis. This isn't really news. There's folks here that dislike KC. Probably best to just move on. But this one does sting a bit more than most.

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PostJan 03, 2018#1465

I bring to you more positive press from an airline magazine, this time a ~15 page piece on STL in the January 2018 of United Airlines Hemispheres. It's not published online yet but read it today on our flight back. I think it did a great job covering startups, venture capital, research/plant science, and a little bit on the neighborhoods. This is all outstanding, my suggestion to future pieces would be to incorporate more of a vibe that it's a hip, trendy, up and coming city. Jobs will attract people, as will "hype".

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PostJan 04, 2018#1466

Only sort of a national media spotlight for St. Louis but my Alma mater, Lindbergh High School, was just in the Rose Parade in Pasadena for the third time the other day. I was in the parade the last time the band went, and it's always nice to get some national and international exposure for St. Louis out of it.

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PostJan 06, 2018#1467

Couldn't find a local media thread so I'm putting this here...

So I know KMOV gets a lot of criticism for being particularly willing to give downtown and pretty much the entire city a black eye whenever possible, but they have a really cool video promo of their new St. Louis Proud segment that looks like it airs on Thursdays... http://www.kmov.com/category/329134/st-louis-proud

I don't see the promo itself online but keep an eye out for it as it has some really cool visuals.

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PostJan 08, 2018#1468

Fodors Travel inclues Missouri with Taj Mahal and Great Wall as one of top 10 places in the world to avoid. They criticize actions of Jeff City, but then use a photo of St. Louis. Thank you Jeff City.

https://www.fodors.com/news/photos/fodors-no-list-2018

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PostJan 08, 2018#1469

gary kreie wrote:
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Fodors Travel inclues Missouri with Taj Mahal and Great Wall as one of top 10 places in the world to avoid. They criticize actions of Jeff City, but then use a photo of St. Louis. Thank you Jeff City.

https://www.fodors.com/news/photos/fodors-no-list-2018
yep, as usual St. Louis is the face of all that's bad with MO while KC gets a shout out for great BBQ. :roll:

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PostJan 08, 2018#1470

The hate crime of the suspected Muslims didn't even happen in Missouri. It happened in Kansas!

Hate Crime Is Feared as 2 Indian Engineers Are Shot in Kansas
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/24/worl ... hotla.html

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PostJan 08, 2018#1471

Something I have always wondered and suggested to the CVC is maybe launching a PR campaign that simply promotes St Louis, but not Missouri.

St Louis does not need Missouri. More or less along the lines of this:

In promotional materials, refer to the STL area as "St. Louis" , dropping the "Missouri".

In fact, AP Style dictates that the ",Missouri" is not needed to identify the city as it's already a recognizable name.

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PostJan 08, 2018#1472

It's sad that St.Louis has to take the brunt of every mistake this state makes. Lets face it whether we admit it or not St.Louis is still the namesake/bread&butter of this state.
In all sincerity i hope that the St.Louis region can regain the NAACP's trust & bridge the inadequately gap.
I believe St.Louis is making efforts in doing so but the state of missouri isn't helping at all.

I vote make St.Louis the new state capitol

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PostJan 08, 2018#1473

Here’s some more clickbait that came across my Facebook feed— 15 US Cities with the Worst Reputations. St. Louis clocking in at #2, right behind Detroit. This is such BS, because I actually think St Louis now has a worse national image than Detroit.

http://travel.alot.com/themes/15-us-cit ... ons--15221

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PostJan 09, 2018#1474

stlgasm wrote:
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Here’s some more clickbait that came across my Facebook feed— 15 US Cities with the Worst Reputations. St. Louis clocking in at #2, right behind Detroit. This is such BS, because I actually think St Louis now has a worse national image than Detroit.

http://travel.alot.com/themes/15-us-cit ... ons--15221
Eh, debatable. I would argue that Detroit, on the other hand, is synonymous with decline and decay. I don't think, at least imo, that's the case with St Louis. Definitely, there are people that think this way, but I still attest that the majority of the country either does not care enough about St Louis to have an opinion or thinks of the Arch. I do believe it would be worth it for the CVC to do a study on national impressions of St Louis. I would bet that they skew more to the positive/no opinion side. I really only say this because St Louis' celebrities I think do a really incredible job promoting the city. Karlie Kloss, Andy Cohen, Sterling K. Brown, Jon Hamm are all A-listers with millions of followers. They shamelessly plug St Louis whenever they can. That does go a long way.

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PostJan 09, 2018#1475

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Eh, debatable. I would argue that Detroit, on the other hand, is synonymous with decline and decay. I don't think, at least imo, that's the case with St Louis. Definitely, there are people that think this way, but I still attest that the majority of the country either does not care enough about St Louis to have an opinion or thinks of the Arch. I do believe it would be worth it for the CVC to do a study on national impressions of St Louis. I would bet that they skew more to the positive/no opinion side. I really only say this because St Louis' celebrities I think do a really incredible job promoting the city. Karlie Kloss, Andy Cohen, Sterling K. Brown, Jon Hamm are all A-listers with millions of followers. They shamelessly plug St Louis whenever they can. That does go a long way.
I'd love to agree with you, but I think you're being a little too generous. It's true that Detroit has long been synonymous with decline and decay, but that's precisely what gives the city its edgy, gives-no-f**ks appeal. Detroit owns that reputation and has built its brand around it. It has buzz. It's on the map. St. Louis' relative obscurity essentially equals negative, sorry to say it. If the average Joe doesn't think anything about St. Louis, what makes it a compelling place? "No opinion" = bland and boring, doesn't it? Detroit may be sh*tty, but no one would call it bland. There's no cache in being the 2nd sh*ttiest city, which is unfortunately where we rank. Do you ever read the City-Data.com forums? There's a "Detroit vs. St. Louis" thread, and guess which city won the poll (hint: NOT St. Louis). And this is a forum frequented by self-described city freaks.

I think hometown celebrity plugs only go so far. For one thing, a lot of our celebrity shout outs are rather cliche. "Go Cardinals! Oh Ted Drewes! Good BBQ! Provel rules! Our zoo is free!" I find them kind of patronizing, as if they're patting little St. Louis on the head or something. That said, I think Andy Cohen is the real deal and he does St. Louis proud.

And you better believe our negative/no opinion national image has hurt our tourism and convention industry. There are just too many strikes against us-- high crime (whether perceived or real, doesn't matter-- we show up on every list), ass-backwards state legislature, crippling regional fragmentation, ongoing racial tension that has made St. Louis the poster child of poor race relations... the list goes on and on. The Fodor's list, ridiculous as it may be, is the proof in the pudding.

Our moment of reckoning is here. This city needs to shake things up in a big way. I think an edgy, high-budget ad campaign placed in major urban markets from coast to coast would be a good start.

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