Not sure if this is identical to the print version, but they have a web-zine: Southwest the Magazine. The article is Dream On by Jeff Ruby.
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^Wow. That's the lamest photo tour I've ever seen. It's like they went out of their way to make the streets of STL look dead.
These Stockley protests are being featured on CNN, Fox and Conservative News Outlets. Not good for our fragile national image
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I am working in NYC this semester.I can thankfully assure you that literally, no one has so far heard of the protests.
I think the vandalism of Mayor Krewson's home will make the news cycles.
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Oh, so the Arch isn't getting torn down and AB-InBev hasn't been reduced to a pile of rubble? Good thing we don't have a Chicken Little-type in here...Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Sep 16, 2017I am working in NYC this semester.I can thankfully assure you that literally, no one has so far heard of the protests.
I think the vandalism of Mayor Krewson's home will make the news cycles.
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I addressed my initial comments earlier and apologized for my overreaction. No need for personal attacks. There is nothing wrong with being scared for our city. There was (is) great reason to be. When you have people legitimately threaten to inflict devastation to our downtown, that's very serious. I would assume you had seen the damage the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore? The damage was community altering.ricke002 wrote:Oh, so the Arch isn't getting torn down and AB-InBev hasn't been reduced to a pile of rubble? Good thing we don't have a Chicken Little-type in here...Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Sep 16, 2017I am working in NYC this semester.I can thankfully assure you that literally, no one has so far heard of the protests.
I think the vandalism of Mayor Krewson's home will make the news cycles.
There is just reason for me to have been extremely concerned yesterday.
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That's funny, because yesterday while working out I was listening to a Fresh Air podcast. When the podcast finishes it rolls over to broadcasting WNYC (NYC's local NPR station). Top story on news at the top of the hour was STL protests and damage done in the CWE the previous night. It was an extended story with outtakes and additional information from local NPR reporting in STL. I do not know where you get your information or draw your conclusion from but you may want to consider alternative sources in the future.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Sep 16, 2017I am working in NYC this semester.I can thankfully assure you that literally, no one has so far heard of the protests.
I think the vandalism of Mayor Krewson's home will make the news cycles.
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Absolutely none of my coworkers at my internship had any idea about it, and they still do not. I would consider my first hand experience to be a credible source. No one out here knows or frankly cares about what's going on in STL.San Luis Native wrote:That's funny, because yesterday while working out I was listening to a Fresh Air podcast. When the podcast finishes it rolls over to broadcasting WNYC (NYC's local NPR station). Top story on news at the top of the hour was STL protests and damage done in the CWE the previous night. It was an extended story with outtakes and additional information from local NPR reporting in STL. I do not know where you get your information or draw your conclusion from but you may want to consider alternative sources in the future.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Sep 16, 2017I am working in NYC this semester.I can thankfully assure you that literally, no one has so far heard of the protests.
I think the vandalism of Mayor Krewson's home will make the news cycles.
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^Sounds like a representative sample generated with the utmost concern for scientific integrity.
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Yes, because I have the time to interview all 19 million residents of the greater New York City area to ask them what they think about demonstrations in a city 900 miles away.San Luis Native wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2017^Sounds like a representative sample generated with the utmost concern for scientific integrity.
Those who are aware of the domestic news in the US are aware of what is going on in St. Louis. Those who may not care much to watch the news or follow news developments (a significant portion of our country) will have either zero idea or know very little about what is going on in St. Louis.
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Your exact words: "I can thankfully assure you that literally, no one has so far heard of the protests."Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2017Yes, because I have the time to interview all 19 million residents of the greater New York City area to ask them what they think about demonstrations in a city 900 miles away.San Luis Native wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2017^Sounds like a representative sample generated with the utmost concern for scientific integrity.
Those who are aware of the domestic news in the US are aware of what is going on in St. Louis. Those who may not care much to watch the news or follow news developments (a significant portion of our country) will have either zero idea or know very little about what is going on in St. Louis.
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Getting warmer!!!Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2017Those who are aware of the domestic news in the US are aware of what is going on in St. Louis.
I live in Florida, it's all over CNN, MSNBC, FOX. People know about it. My friends know I'm from St. Louis and ask me if I know the areas where they are protesting. One thing I will say, a couple people have commented that the city looks gorgeous on TV. I have to agree, especially the Loop and CWE.
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ricke002 wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2017Your exact words: "I can thankfully assure you that literally, no one has so far heard of the protests."Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2017Yes, because I have the time to interview all 19 million residents of the greater New York City area to ask them what they think about demonstrations in a city 900 miles away.San Luis Native wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2017^Sounds like a representative sample generated with the utmost concern for scientific integrity.
Those who are aware of the domestic news in the US are aware of what is going on in St. Louis. Those who may not care much to watch the news or follow news developments (a significant portion of our country) will have either zero idea or know very little about what is going on in St. Louis.
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So you're good with constantly speaking in hyperbole, getting called on it and then whining/laughing it off?Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2017ricke002 wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2017Your exact words: "I can thankfully assure you that literally, no one has so far heard of the protests."Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2017
Yes, because I have the time to interview all 19 million residents of the greater New York City area to ask them what they think about demonstrations in a city 900 miles away.
Those who are aware of the domestic news in the US are aware of what is going on in St. Louis. Those who may not care much to watch the news or follow news developments (a significant portion of our country) will have either zero idea or know very little about what is going on in St. Louis.
St. Louis officers chant ‘whose streets, our streets’ while arresting protesters
By Susan Hogan September 18 at 11:14 AM
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Protests erupt in St. Louis after former officer who shot black driver was acquitted
The acquittal of a white former police officer sparked protests in St. Louis on Sept. 16. (Monica Akhtar/The Washington Post)
After a third night of violence and unrest in St. Louis, about 100 protesters marched in silence along downtown streets Monday during the morning rush hour. Once they reached City Hall, the silence gave way to chants for justice.
The city has been marked by protests since Friday, when former police officer Jason Stockley was acquitted on charges of murdering a black motorist after a police chase in 2011. Stockley is white.
Overnight Sunday, police arrested more than 80 people after a peaceful protest turned violent as night fell. In a concentrated area downtown, some protesters smashed windows and overturned trash cans, while others threw chemicals and rocks at police, authorities said.
“After the demonstration, organizers announced that the daytime protest was over,” Mayor Lyda Krewson said in news conference at about 1 a.m. Monday. “But a group of agitators stayed behind, apparently intent on breaking windows and destroying property.”
She declined to take reporters’ questions.
Some protesters complained that police were unnecessarily aggressive. Further inflaming tensions, a St. Louis photographer reported he and others heard police chant “whose streets, our streets” after making some arrests.
The photojournalist, David Carson, later tweeted that he’d spoken to the commander at the scene, who said that he did not hear the chant but that it was unacceptable and he would “deal with it.”
The Associated Press also independently reported on the police chanting. The phrase used is commonly chanted by demonstrators, particularly Black Lives Matters protesters.
At around 11:20 p.m. Sunday, the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department’s Twitter feed said “multiple warnings to disperse” had been given near the intersection of Washington Avenue and North Tucker Boulevard. They soon started arresting those that hadn’t left.
But several protesters said police had encircled them and there was no way out. Caught in the melee was St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Mike Faulk, who tweeted, “Less than 100 of us including media blocked in at wa and Tucker on all four sides.”
Shortly afterward, Faulk was among those arrested. In a photo, he appeared to be wearing a media badge around his neck at the time of his arrest.
Interim Police Chief Lawrence O’Toole repeatedly referred to those arrested as “criminals” during a news conference overnight Sunday.
“These criminals that we’ve arrested should be held accountable and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,” he said. “We’re in control. This is our city and we’re going to protect it.”
O’Toole said some officers incurred “moderate or minor” injuries, but didn’t say how many were hurt.
“I’m proud to tell you the city of St. Louis is safe and the police owned tonight,” he said. “Once again, a group of criminals set out to break windows and destroy property. Tonight, those criminals are in jail.”
According to local media, about 1,000 people had gathered outside a downtown police station before sunset and marched peacefully before nightfall. The violence appeared to erupt about 8 p.m. as a small group broke away and began smashing windows at several businesses.
Those protesters were eventually greeted by police officers dressed in riot gear. Police said they gave demonstrators an hour’s notice before making the mass arrests just before midnight.
A man throws a rock into the window as during protests in St. Louis on Sept. 17. (AP)
Earlier Sunday, news outlets reported that the Department of Justice had opted not to pursue a federal civil rights prosecution of former officer Stockley. The decision was made a year ago, but the department waited to announce it until after Friday’s verdict in the criminal case.
Stockley, 36, was charged in May 2016 with first degree murder in the fatal shooting of 24-year-old Anthony Lamar Smith after a police chase. Stockley and his partner had pursued Smith by vehicle after failing in an attempt to arrest him for a suspected drug deal at a Church’s Chicken.
Prosecutors said in a videotape during the chase, Stockley was heard saying “Going to kill this motherf—er don’t you know it” before telling his partner to drive into Smith’s slowing car. Prosecutors also suggested Stockley had planted a gun in the vehicle since the weapon contained the officer’s DNA, but not Smith’s.
In a 30-page ruling issued Friday, St. Louis Circuit Judge Timothy Wilson said he had agonized over his decision. “This Court, as the trier of fact, is simply not firmly convinced of the defendant’s guilt,” he said.
Protests erupted almost immediately on the streets of St. Louis.
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By Susan Hogan September 18 at 11:14 AM
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Protests erupt in St. Louis after former officer who shot black driver was acquitted
The acquittal of a white former police officer sparked protests in St. Louis on Sept. 16. (Monica Akhtar/The Washington Post)
After a third night of violence and unrest in St. Louis, about 100 protesters marched in silence along downtown streets Monday during the morning rush hour. Once they reached City Hall, the silence gave way to chants for justice.
The city has been marked by protests since Friday, when former police officer Jason Stockley was acquitted on charges of murdering a black motorist after a police chase in 2011. Stockley is white.
Overnight Sunday, police arrested more than 80 people after a peaceful protest turned violent as night fell. In a concentrated area downtown, some protesters smashed windows and overturned trash cans, while others threw chemicals and rocks at police, authorities said.
“After the demonstration, organizers announced that the daytime protest was over,” Mayor Lyda Krewson said in news conference at about 1 a.m. Monday. “But a group of agitators stayed behind, apparently intent on breaking windows and destroying property.”
She declined to take reporters’ questions.
Some protesters complained that police were unnecessarily aggressive. Further inflaming tensions, a St. Louis photographer reported he and others heard police chant “whose streets, our streets” after making some arrests.
The photojournalist, David Carson, later tweeted that he’d spoken to the commander at the scene, who said that he did not hear the chant but that it was unacceptable and he would “deal with it.”
The Associated Press also independently reported on the police chanting. The phrase used is commonly chanted by demonstrators, particularly Black Lives Matters protesters.
At around 11:20 p.m. Sunday, the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department’s Twitter feed said “multiple warnings to disperse” had been given near the intersection of Washington Avenue and North Tucker Boulevard. They soon started arresting those that hadn’t left.
But several protesters said police had encircled them and there was no way out. Caught in the melee was St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Mike Faulk, who tweeted, “Less than 100 of us including media blocked in at wa and Tucker on all four sides.”
Shortly afterward, Faulk was among those arrested. In a photo, he appeared to be wearing a media badge around his neck at the time of his arrest.
Interim Police Chief Lawrence O’Toole repeatedly referred to those arrested as “criminals” during a news conference overnight Sunday.
“These criminals that we’ve arrested should be held accountable and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,” he said. “We’re in control. This is our city and we’re going to protect it.”
O’Toole said some officers incurred “moderate or minor” injuries, but didn’t say how many were hurt.
“I’m proud to tell you the city of St. Louis is safe and the police owned tonight,” he said. “Once again, a group of criminals set out to break windows and destroy property. Tonight, those criminals are in jail.”
According to local media, about 1,000 people had gathered outside a downtown police station before sunset and marched peacefully before nightfall. The violence appeared to erupt about 8 p.m. as a small group broke away and began smashing windows at several businesses.
Those protesters were eventually greeted by police officers dressed in riot gear. Police said they gave demonstrators an hour’s notice before making the mass arrests just before midnight.
A man throws a rock into the window as during protests in St. Louis on Sept. 17. (AP)
Earlier Sunday, news outlets reported that the Department of Justice had opted not to pursue a federal civil rights prosecution of former officer Stockley. The decision was made a year ago, but the department waited to announce it until after Friday’s verdict in the criminal case.
Stockley, 36, was charged in May 2016 with first degree murder in the fatal shooting of 24-year-old Anthony Lamar Smith after a police chase. Stockley and his partner had pursued Smith by vehicle after failing in an attempt to arrest him for a suspected drug deal at a Church’s Chicken.
Prosecutors said in a videotape during the chase, Stockley was heard saying “Going to kill this motherf—er don’t you know it” before telling his partner to drive into Smith’s slowing car. Prosecutors also suggested Stockley had planted a gun in the vehicle since the weapon contained the officer’s DNA, but not Smith’s.
In a 30-page ruling issued Friday, St. Louis Circuit Judge Timothy Wilson said he had agonized over his decision. “This Court, as the trier of fact, is simply not firmly convinced of the defendant’s guilt,” he said.
Protests erupted almost immediately on the streets of St. Louis.
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Sticks and stones, right?
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"Whose streets, our streets" is an extremely common protest chant, though it is definitely unusual for cops to use it.
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I'm glad the cops are throwing it back in those protesters face. Get the trash off the streets and as far as those businesses that were hurt by lack of patrons and vandalized give the bill directly to those clergy's that started this mess in the first place make them feel the pain right back.
St. Louis police used a controversial police tactic called "kettling" to mop up protesters downtown earlier this evening, sweeping up over a hundred people. There are currently large protests under way at city lockup.
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I was in Midtown this evening dropping my wife off for class, so I looped through the West End and U. City. The damage along Euclid is noticeable, but only just. I saw perhaps three or four business with broken windows, but it wasn't too concentrated. You wouldn't know it was related to protests if someone didn't tell you. Probably wouldn't think a second thing about it. The West End being large, there's quite possibly more that I didn't see. I didn't go past the mayor's residence, but I went along Euclid from Lindell to Delmar and Maryland from Euclid out to Kingshighway, which I believe is where the worst of it was supposed to be. The damage in U. City was apparent, but much less than described. I counted fourteen businesses with broken windows. Most were right at the corner immediately west of Blueberry Hill. If you went no further than the Tivoli you might well not know anything at all had happened, since there was only one business city side with damage that might have been related. If you keep going west you'll see it, but it's not serious and I'd guess it will be cleaned entirely up in a week or two as the glass companies get the inventory in. There might be a little more, but the Loop is compact enough I'd bet I saw most and maybe all of it. I didn't go downtown, since it was out of my way, but in such a comparatively large area I bet you can't even tell anything happened unless you really know where to look. So this seems to amount to a few dozen windows. Which probably won't cost the insurance companies much more than a couple of new cars totaled in an accident. Of which we have several any given weekend. Strictly guessing there. I'm no adjustor. But I'll bet this isn't even a blip from a financial perspective . . . unless it's your window. Which sucks. But you get over it. (I've had a car totaled out from under me. And I've had some windows broken. As often in Wentzville as in Midtown and with less reason It's frustrating, but you get over it, if that's all it is.)
It increasingly sounds like all of this happens when the police start trying to aggressively disperse the stragglers. From public streets. In business districts. I've heard no declarations of curfews, so on what basis are they dispersing crowds? They don't do that after baseball games or the VP fair. (And it often takes quite some time for folks to clear out.) So I'm inclined to think they bear some very real share of the responsibility. From all I've heard their tactics have been . . . less than friendly. They look more like an occupying army than the national guard troops. (Who aren't wearing kevlar. Just Desert Storm era fatigues and utility hats. Which maybe gives them away as actual soldiers. They know this isn't a battle. This is nothing. They look . . . bored. And slightly damp tonight. I actually kind of feel sorry for them. They probably have better things to do than stand in front of isolated fire stations.)
Of course, not all of the early reports spun it that way, as the police got their version of events out first. (Naturally.) And some media outlets really get off on anger and violence. (Maybe all those with moving pictures. Slow stories, like marches, work better in still photographs and print.)
Anyway, don't believe the hyperbole. Things are mostly okay, save for the very things the protesters are protesting. I have to admit, I respect the logic of taking things to the swank neighborhoods. Gets more attention from people who have power. Wake 'em up. Let 'em know all is not well beyond their fair towers. (Which towers I like, just for the record. Still as always.) And yes, it does, at least, give the media a different look at St. Louis. Which is kind of nice. A little bonus. Hopefully this continues in its current relatively visible, but mostly harmless fashion until someone actually notices and maybe fixes something. (Like maybe appointing a police chief with enough courage and responsibility to engage his community rather than pretending to occupy it. I have to say, the current fellow is not impressing me with his acumen or diplomacy.)
It increasingly sounds like all of this happens when the police start trying to aggressively disperse the stragglers. From public streets. In business districts. I've heard no declarations of curfews, so on what basis are they dispersing crowds? They don't do that after baseball games or the VP fair. (And it often takes quite some time for folks to clear out.) So I'm inclined to think they bear some very real share of the responsibility. From all I've heard their tactics have been . . . less than friendly. They look more like an occupying army than the national guard troops. (Who aren't wearing kevlar. Just Desert Storm era fatigues and utility hats. Which maybe gives them away as actual soldiers. They know this isn't a battle. This is nothing. They look . . . bored. And slightly damp tonight. I actually kind of feel sorry for them. They probably have better things to do than stand in front of isolated fire stations.)
Of course, not all of the early reports spun it that way, as the police got their version of events out first. (Naturally.) And some media outlets really get off on anger and violence. (Maybe all those with moving pictures. Slow stories, like marches, work better in still photographs and print.)
Anyway, don't believe the hyperbole. Things are mostly okay, save for the very things the protesters are protesting. I have to admit, I respect the logic of taking things to the swank neighborhoods. Gets more attention from people who have power. Wake 'em up. Let 'em know all is not well beyond their fair towers. (Which towers I like, just for the record. Still as always.) And yes, it does, at least, give the media a different look at St. Louis. Which is kind of nice. A little bonus. Hopefully this continues in its current relatively visible, but mostly harmless fashion until someone actually notices and maybe fixes something. (Like maybe appointing a police chief with enough courage and responsibility to engage his community rather than pretending to occupy it. I have to say, the current fellow is not impressing me with his acumen or diplomacy.)