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PostSep 22, 2011#1551

St. Louis biz article stating time that the first Chinese Cargo flight to land at approximately 4:00 pm tomorrow.

Lambert airport to welcome 1st Chinese cargo flight
Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 10:35am CDT

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... inese.html

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PostSep 22, 2011#1552

It's not just that they don't think it will help their constituents. It's that they don't want to be hammered for supporting a "welfare handout to St. Louis". Never mind that the St. Louis metro area generates far more in Missouri state taxes than it ever gets back in services - that fact doesn't fit into the culture-war narrative that is decisive for their constituents.

It's touching that people keep looking for some economic rationality in the opposition to this, but it just isn't there. It's all cultural.
Yeah, maybe it's me trying not to be completely enraged. It's hard. Beyond the whole urban/rural split, which is definitely real, I got the sense at the capitol yesterday that this as much about ego as anything else. One group of egos wants one thing while another wants something a bit different.

Anyway, this sucks: http://www.stlbeacon.org/voices/blogs/p ... -agreement

Perhaps we should remember this the next time a rural senator wants a bill to subsidize agricultural development. Even if some of them seem to support it, it seems like they are more than willing to let this die without put up much of a fight.

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PostSep 22, 2011#1553

What’s the hold-up? It’s the political game, nothing less.

By and large, it was a very warm welcome we received, invited by one Senator who wanted to meet with us and talk about how it’s all progressing. After that, we sort of roamed the halls and met other Senators, both those for and against it. Overall, it was quite civil, almost surprisingly so. They took us seriously, and we appreciated their time.

We met with a very gracious Senator from out-state, who welcomed our delegation into his office & spoke with us rather deeply about the bill, as a guy who’s open-minded on it but not necessarily ready to sign off on it just yet. His concerns: The bill is written to benefit with $300M in funding a 50 square mile area around Lambert. So, how do the people in his area directly benefit? They’ll be sacrificing from less tax monies taking care of public services, et.al., but the 50 mile line really had him questioning if there will be broad benefits of this legislation outside the STL core. If unsure that what you’re passing is the best thing possible to pass, could it be preferable to just sit back and leave it for later when it is written better?

Trust me, he’s open minded and really was inquisitive to what he had to say. He just wants to make sure whatever he’s doing is in his constituents’ best interests. Now, you know where I stand, that it completely is. When asked if we supported the Complete Missouri package over the $360M legislation, our answer was that we support both, neither, a hybrid, or whatever it takes to close the deal and make sure we don’t let this opportunity pass us by.

Another Senator who’s not in favor of the legislation? He welcomed us in and gave us Cokes. Good times.

But, the Senate as a whole doesn’t want to work with the House. It’s a pissing contest.

It’s a game of chicken, with the Senate and the House driving cars right at each other waiting to see who’s going to flinch. And for the second time in a row, they’re probably going to crash head-on and kill the legislation.

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PostSep 23, 2011#1554

Looks like this thing is going down in flames! Denver and Ohio cities looking to jump on this immediately if we fail.

link: http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-mo-leg ... 4973.story

PostSep 23, 2011#1555

Basically the Midwest China Hub Commission has done all the hard work for 4 years to get this hub and the Missouri Tea Party is going to sink the whole thing!

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PostSep 23, 2011#1556

Perhaps I am being naively optimistic, but is it out of the realm of possibility that there will be development despite the Aerotropolis Bill not passing? It seems to me, that even without the tax incentives that it would still be a good business move, especially for local development firms; McEagle maybe?

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PostSep 23, 2011#1557

^^Problem is that there are so many unrelated pieces that have to fall into place for this to happen. That's why it is kind of necessary to enact legislation to make this work. For example, McEagle could build some warehouses, but good luck coordinating the freight forwarding industry. Also, we all know how easy it has been for Mckee to develop in north city without encountering serious opposition. Have fun building a China hub by yourself in north county. Considering this, I don't know if the Chinese will risk allocating significant resources and effort into developing a haphazard project when other cities have the necessary infrastructure in place. These cities might not have the vacancies or location of Lambert, but they are viable options. Steve Stone must be the angriest man in the city right now. I would be if I were him
I don't know about you all, but I'm ready to start actively opposing any out-state development bill. What are they going to do, sabotage important stl bills? hahahahaha. I'll put the same effort into undermining agricultural subsidies and the like as I put into the China hub

Are you serious? http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/201 ... omic-bill/

Such simplistic thinking! Mamtek ran into trouble with a Chinese company and China Cargo Airlines is a Chinese company, so this must be scam. The Chinese negotiating this probably aren't serious people, right? They are probably just like the shady people who worked the Mamtek deal. I mean, they only sent the ambassador, the vice premier, and one of China's six consuls-general to negotiate this deal. Also, it's not like China Daily is a guide to official policy or anything.
I'm honestly disappointed in the P-D for printing a similar thinly veiled attack on the hub. I mean, I understand that journalists are supposed to be critical, but this is the dumbest correlation one could make. Are you f*ing serious? I'm sure we've run into trouble with German companies. Maybe we should refuse to do business with them, too.

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PostSep 23, 2011#1558

Well, I just got off the phone with Representative Dwight Scharnhorst. I was honestly surprised to find him in his office this late. I had just called my district's senator and left a message.

Rep. Scharnhorst said that I might have been the first person to call in support of the bill, as most calls had been against it. It was a good conversation though. He said that he was waiting to see how the final bill looks before deciding on it. He did mention that he thought that the senate was being unreasonable and specifically mentioned that he did not support the sunsetting of some of the developmental tax credits, which he thought were useful. He seemed to be more upset at the unscrupulous political process of changing of the bill and at unrelated items being tacked onto it than any of the China hub provisions.

Everyone please call and annoy your state congressmen. You may just be the first voice that they hear in favor of the bill. They need to know that we're monitoring their actions.

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PostSep 23, 2011#1559

I'm still holding out hope that this will work out one way or another. We're in too damn good a location, and we're a hell of a lot bigger than people seem to think.

Keep the positive energy people. We've got a China Eastern 777 landing at Lambert in six and a half hours. THAT is cool.

I wish I were in town today. Would anyone be able to get pictures?

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PostSep 23, 2011#1560

I will be at the first flight ceremony today. I'll take pictures and write up a piece for nextSTL and Count on Downtown.

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PostSep 23, 2011#1561

Tweet from the P-D's Jason Hancock:
"No local control hearing, and so far, no hearing rescheduled in House for eco devo bill"

St. Louis is getting beat up pretty badly. i wish we could pass a true local control bill, as in secession.

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PostSep 23, 2011#1562

nextSTL will have someone there of course!

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PostSep 23, 2011#1563

BREAKING: HOUSE IS ADJOURNING UNTIL NEXT THURSDAY.
House just added provision that MOSIRA won't pass unless Aerotropolis goes through
Jason Hancock's twitter:
http://twitter.com/#!/J_Hancock

I like this quote from StL's Rep Jones:
"we are only in day 16 of a 60 day special session."

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PostSep 23, 2011#1564

Latest from Biz Journals on first flight landing this afternoon. Trying not to get too much into politics, but I think it is good to see former Senator Kit Bond make a presence. I think it would be helpful if he could get on the soap box while heads cool in Jeff City and think he could do more to get things off the tarmac and onto the runway.

Lambert airport preps for Chinese cargo flight as Aerotropolis sputters

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... inese.html

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PostSep 23, 2011#1565

Senate adjourning until Monday:
http://twitter.com/#!/@j_hancock


This Mamtek thing is really eating at me. Linking that deal going sour with Aerotropolis is about as sophisticated as holding a grudge against all Chinese people because you once got in an argument with a Chinese person. I mean, they all look the same, right? The stupidity is astounding. I think that the Chinese are pretty much the only ethnic group that it is socially acceptable to lump together and openly stereotype in this way. It's stupid and ignorant.
Again, if a Missouri company ran into trouble with a German company, would we also be unreasonably skeptical of doing business with Lufthansa if the German ambassador, vice chancellor, and one of its consuls-general were negotiating the deal? Would we feel the same way about the Brazilians?

Tea Party is attacking UMSL's China study abroad program as "exporting human capital" to China to be "globally indoctrinated," whatever that means. Somehow this is also related to Aerotropolis. Honestly, though, I think the Mamtek criticism is on the same level of simplistic, stupid thinking. Mamtek, however, is mentioned on the front page of the P-D at the same time that the Aerotropolis bill is falling apart at the legislature. Nice work, guys! :roll:
http://www.missourieducationwatchdog.co ... on-of.html

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PostSep 23, 2011#1566

What a shame! Just watched fox 2 and they had an interview with the Chinese representative (I forgot the title) but he made it CLEAR as day light that if MO does not pass this incentive bill they will go somewhere else. This is getting more and more media attention and I really hope that if forces a change.

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PostSep 24, 2011#1567

First it was China Daily, now it’s the People’s Daily:
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90883/7603566.html

Just noticed that China Daily ran the story too: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2 ... 786010.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Daily
From wikipedia:
“The People's Daily (Chinese: 人民日报; pinyin: Rénmín Rìbào) is a daily newspaper in the People's Republic of China. The paper is an organ of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC)”

Further in the wiki article:
“Newspaper articles in the People's Daily are often not read for content so much as placement. A large number of articles devoted to a political figure or idea is often taken as a sign that the mentioned official is rising.”

We have to remember that journalism in China is vastly different than it is here, particularly with regard to these flagship publications. They are direct organs of the party, and nothing gets printed without official clearance from Beijing. Also, the article quotes Consul-General Yang Guoqiang as expressing his support for the hub. Still, though, in light of Mamtek, this is probably just a fly by night operation. I mean, they are all Chinese, right? We should avoid at all costs any interaction with the future economic hegemon. Economic isolationism is the way to get ahead in the 21st century! :roll:

P-D Editorial Board writes another solid op-ed: http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/co ... af20f.html

If you want to contact a legislator, I'd say your time would be best spent reaching out to Steven TIlley. The P-D seems to suggest this, and this is what GC, Count, and I were told when we were at the capitol.
email: Steven.Tilley@house.mo.gov
phone:573-751-1488

Update: I criticized the Show-Me Institute in a civil manner for the article they wrote suggesting a link between Mamtek and the China hub, and they erased my comment. I know at least one of them reads this message board. I'd appreciate an explanation. You believe in the free market. What about the marketplace of ideas?

PostSep 26, 2011#1568

Excellent interview with the director of UMSL's International Business Institute:

Still waiting for the SMI to explain why they felt the need to erase my comment criticizing the alleged link between Mamtek and the China hub. At least one of you comments on the board. Show me a reason!

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PostSep 27, 2011#1569

^ Now c'mon, SMI is a "think tank", not a place for open and rational discussion.

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PostSep 27, 2011#1570

link: http://www.kplr11.com/news/ktvi-chinese ... 3449.story

Looks like the lines have been drawn in the sand. Pass the bill and jobs will be created. Don't pass the bill and the Chinese will go to a state that is serious about economic development. Seems like the legislature will use Mamtek as an excuse to not pass the bill and the 4 years of work that St. Louis put in will benefit another region.

Is anyone optimistic?

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PostSep 27, 2011#1571

Goat314 - diametrically opposed to the optimistic view point that the hub legislation is passed.

Keep the faith! It's not over yet. I'm glad the Chinese have provided a clear and distinct decision tree. How refreshing compared to the horse sh*t politics we typically deal with. It's become very American for large legislation like this to come down to the absolute wire.

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PostSep 27, 2011#1572

so i recently emailed all the senators urging them to pass "Aerotropolis". now, i haven't had a chance to read the bill and i know next to nothing about taxes or state politics, so i tried to keep the message general-ish and not completely betray my ignorance. anyway, so far only Will Kraus has responded to my emails (quite quickly i might add) so i'm posting the exchange here. Does anyone know if what he says about the historic tax credits is true? i keep hearing that they're such a huge success...
Adam,

Low Income and Historic Preservation return less than 20% to our state revenues. That is abysmal. The purpose of tax credits is to incentivize growth so that the state's revenues grow, not shrink. The state should not be in the business of renovating buildings "just because." The truth is we cannot fix those programs without being able to end them first...years of experience and tens of thousands in campaigns donations have proven that. I will stand by my call for those reforms.

Aerotropolis legislation has included these reforms from the beginning because the sponsors knew that no NEW tax credits would be approved until the 61 current programs were reformed. In fact at this point I'd say we actually have a tax credit reform bill that includes Aerotropolis, not the other way around.

Finally, if the China Hub loses the state's money like the Historic and Low Income programs have, I'd be happy to let Cincinnati or Denver have it.

My door is always open,

Will Kraus

-----Original Message-----

From: Adam XXXXXXX [mailto:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX]

Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:16 AM

To: Will Kraus

Subject: Re: PASS AEROTROPOLIS AND LOCAL CONTROL OF STLPD!

Senator Kraus,

I greatly appreciate your quick response. However, I have to protest the insistence on sunsetting the Low Income and Historic Preservation tax credits. The HPTC in particular is a proven economic success (according to the National Park Service) and has restored life to countless valuable buildings throughout the state, creating jobs and increased revenue and preserving our heritage in the process. Certainly better provisions can be put in place to prevent big developers from disproportionately taking advantage of the credits, but doing away with them altogether is counterproductive. It appears to me (and many others) that certain tax credits are under attack simply to satisfy a small but vocal group of anti-tax constituents.

The size of the "Aerotropolis" tax credit has already been drastically slashed, and it now appears that the HPTC and local control of the STLPD are hostages in a game of political chicken. I do understand the need for fiscal conservation in this poor economy and although I think the cuts to the "Aerotropolis" credits are a bit too steep I can accept them in the name of compromise. If this opportunity is lost, though, and the Chinese set up their cargo hub in Cincinnati or Denver, just as the railroads went to Chicago last century, we'll be kicking ourselves through the rest of this century as Missouri falls further out of relevance in the global economy. Somebody has to budge for the good of the state, and in this case I think those who demand the sunset of the Historic and Low Income tax credits are, rather arbitrarily, demanding too much.

Thank you for reading,

Adam XXXXXXX

-----Original Message-----

From: "Will Kraus" [Will.Kraus@senate.mo.gov]

Date: 09/22/2011 05:03 PM

To: "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX>;

Subject: PASS AEROTROPOLIS AND LOCAL CONTROL OF STLPD!

Adam,

The House leadership,to include Steve Tilley, Tim Jones, and John Diel, know that if they pass a bill that does not include seven year sunsets on Low Income and Historic Preservation tax credits - or attempt to add new ideas at the last minute - the legislation has no chance of passing the Senate. It is all in their hands to pass a bill out of the House that will not dramatically change the bill that has passed the Senate. The Senate has passed this bill not once, but twice. The ball is in their court.

By the way, if Aerotropolis were voted on by itself it would fail in both chambers. The only reason it is being considered is because of the billions of dollars in savings on other tax credit programs.

Will

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From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX [XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX]

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:52 PM

To: Will Kraus

Subject: Out-of-District: PASS AEROTROPOLIS AND LOCAL CONTROL OF STLPD!

The zipcode entered indicates the sender is actually in District 015.

Name: Adam XXXXXXX

Address: XXXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX XXX

City: Saint Louis

Zipcode: 63026-6919

Phone: (XXX) XXX-XXXX

Dear Representative,

I just read in the Columbia Daily Tribune that the current special
legislative session involving the "Aerotropolis" tax credits and local
control for the Saint Louis police department may end as early as
tomorrow without passage of either. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. It is the
duty of our representatives to act in the best interest of ALL the
people of Missouri, of which approximately HALF live within the Saint
Louis Metro area. Establishing a hub from which Missouri
products will be exported to the soon-to-be largest market in the
world is simply too important to the future economic well-being of our
state and the city of Saint Louis - Missouri's primary generator of
revenue. If this initiative fails due to business-as-usual partisan
bickering then you all will have willingly thrown the livelihood of
your constituents under the bus to promote your own party-centric
agendas while a neighboring state and city jumps at the
opportunity that you will have thrown away. You will not get a second
chance to make this work, so the many supporters of this bill
throughout the state of Missouri (whom, i say with confidence,
outnumber those who oppose based on poorly-informed anti-communist or
anti-taxation-in-any-form sentiments) expect you to remain in session
until a reasonable compromise is reached. (For a cross-section of this
support see the following link to nextSTL.com:
http://nextstl.com/forum-bridge/index.p ... start=1545).
Moreover, using the issue of local control of the STLPD as leverage
and turning it into a casualty of war amidst such partisan nonsense is
plainly unethical and antithetical to your oath of office. In the
years to come if, for one of many examples, Cincinnati steals the
cargo hub and Ohio prospers because Missouri
representatives are more concerned with their political chess game
than with the economic health of our state, then voters will remember
at the polls. I, for one, will not rest until those responsible are
removed. That is a promise. We are sick of this.

Sincerely,

Adam XXXXXXX

XXXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX XXX

Saint Louis, MO 63026-6919

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PostSep 27, 2011#1573

^In regards to the amount the state gets back from tax tax credits (the 20%), I believe he is correct.

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PostSep 27, 2011#1574

pat wrote:^In regards to the amount the state gets back from tax tax credits (the 20%), I believe he is correct.
i wonder how that return is measured, though. property taxes only? do they account for state income taxes paid by new inhabitants of renovated buildings? those paid by construction workers and artisans employed to renovate the buildings?

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PostSep 27, 2011#1575

He misunderstands the nature of the bill. These are tax credits designed to lure business activity that otherwise would not exist in the region. As the state doesn’t collect taxes on non-existent business activity, we would not diminish existing revenue streams. Also, does he seriously think that we would not profit from serving as the hub for trade between the two largest economies in the world? What?
If this fails, he’s going to go down as someone who turned away a potentially major source of jobs and revenue during the Great Recession. I hope he doesn’t harbor any statewide political ambitions.
This is why we are not a serious state: “By the way, if Aerotropolis were voted on by itself it would fail in both chambers. The only reason it is being considered is because of the billions of dollars in savings on other tax credit programs.”

It's been repeated a million times, but here is another story quoting the consul-general saying that they will establish operations in another Midwestern city should the legislature fail us by not passing the bill: http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-chines ... 7683.story

I'm not feeling confident. It looks like Mamtek might kill this whole thing, which is beyond dumb. Mamtek was financed largely by the issuance of public bonds to the Chinese shell company, whereas this bill includes only tax incentives with sufficient safeguards. Additionally, the two companies have absolutely nothing in common beyond the fact that they are both headquartered in China. You know who else lives in China? About 20% of the human race. The China hub has been negotiated by officials representing the highest levels of the Chinese government on behalf of one of the largest companies in the country. On the other hand, Moberly essentially wired money to a Nigerian prince who emailed them about a tremendous business opportunity.

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