And maybe, just maybe, a Planet Hollywood...
Isnt that what kind of contributed to the downfall of STL Centre in the first place? Everyone will just flock to the same chain, except which ever one is "newer" or "bigger"ttricamo wrote:Amen! I say cram in as many chains as we can handle. Get'em all downtown ASAP!
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The last one sure saved us!Mark Groth wrote:And maybe, just maybe, a Planet Hollywood...
I've been reading here for a good number of months and never really felt compelled to write anything until now. I have to say I am in total agreement with zink. Downtown can continue it's comeback only by striving to make itself more and more unique. Throwing chains together in hopes of attracting people from the County has been tried and failed. Chains can be good as long as they complement the balance of downtown as a mixed use neighborhood, serving the demands of residents and office workers that currently aren't being served. For this reason, attracting "chainlets" like Schnucks, an AMC, and maybe a True Value hardware can be huge positives for the area. Throwing an Old Navy or D&B into the mix right now, when the demand really isn't there for current downtown residents, would greatly disturb the balance of downtown in my opinion. Keep it unique. Keep it something you can't get anywhere else in the area. Then you've got something.zink wrote:Isnt that what kind of contributed to the downfall of STL Centre in the first place? Everyone will just flock to the same chain, except which ever one is "newer" or "bigger"ttricamo wrote:Amen! I say cram in as many chains as we can handle. Get'em all downtown ASAP!
as a galleria 6 employee, i definitely endorse STL Cinemas 
But really, I'd rather it be a STL cinema or Landmark or something small and local. AMCs scare me! Plus where else are you gonna order a combo called the full monty?
But really, I'd rather it be a STL cinema or Landmark or something small and local. AMCs scare me! Plus where else are you gonna order a combo called the full monty?- 11K
FYI - discussion has been split. Continue St. Louis Centre discussion here, including chain/local stores as it pertains to St. Louis Centre. The broader discussion of chain/local urban/suburban is a new thread.
It is absolutely illogical to think downtown, or the city for that matter, would totally revitalize without chain stores.
I would understand if someone was adamantly opposed to, say, Wash Ave having a chain store. In other words, certain enclaves of the city would be better served by small locally owned businesses.
However, as a whole, Downtown will need chain stores in order to expand, diversify, and refine it's retail environment; it's capitalist economics 101. I've argued this point many times before - only having "cool kid" stores would out price downtown for all of the cool kids.
St. Louis City Centre seems to be the prime location for some clothing chains and perhaps a Crate and Barrel, in the opinion of this beautiful person. At the very least, I would love to see our downtown have enough density to begin housing chain stores independent of a "mall".
And finally, to rain on some elitest parades around here:
Link to NYC and Brooklyn's Applebees - http://maps.google.com/maps?q=applebee% ... 10378&z=13
The NYC Red Lobster - http://maps.google.com/maps?q=red+lobst ... 13&iwloc=A
The NYC Olive Gardens - http://maps.google.com/maps?q=red+lobst ... 13&iwloc=A
Enjoy!
I would understand if someone was adamantly opposed to, say, Wash Ave having a chain store. In other words, certain enclaves of the city would be better served by small locally owned businesses.
However, as a whole, Downtown will need chain stores in order to expand, diversify, and refine it's retail environment; it's capitalist economics 101. I've argued this point many times before - only having "cool kid" stores would out price downtown for all of the cool kids.
St. Louis City Centre seems to be the prime location for some clothing chains and perhaps a Crate and Barrel, in the opinion of this beautiful person. At the very least, I would love to see our downtown have enough density to begin housing chain stores independent of a "mall".
And finally, to rain on some elitest parades around here:
Link to NYC and Brooklyn's Applebees - http://maps.google.com/maps?q=applebee% ... 10378&z=13
The NYC Red Lobster - http://maps.google.com/maps?q=red+lobst ... 13&iwloc=A
The NYC Olive Gardens - http://maps.google.com/maps?q=red+lobst ... 13&iwloc=A
Enjoy!
Is there anything better than just the one rendering I have seen of how the rebuilt St. Louis Centre complex will be layed out inside and out when finished. It seems I have only seen the one perspective.
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^ colored glass on the east and west facades. Frosted glass on the north facade
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FYI - here's the latest rendering. I wish they would go up 2-3 floors with retail/office...
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I like the materials and simplicity of the rendering.
But the center will only look as good as the effort retailers and the garage operator put into making this a showcase.
otherwise it could look like this—
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But the center will only look as good as the effort retailers and the garage operator put into making this a showcase.
otherwise it could look like this—
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Interesting fact: No one from NYC has ever had dinner at that Olive Garden location.ttricamo wrote:The NYC Olive Gardens - http://maps.google.com/maps?q=red+lobst ... 13&iwloc=A
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False.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Interesting fact: No one from NYC has ever had dinner at that Olive Garden location.ttricamo wrote:The NYC Olive Gardens - http://maps.google.com/maps?q=red+lobst ... 13&iwloc=A
shadrach - that's AWESOME (and scary)
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In response to that rendering: WOW. That really will liven up that section of downtown! It will see more open and, well, inviting.
I remember walking around there during the All Star Game FanFest and thinking of how dark and uninviting it was. I wasn't expecting the rehab to have all that glass and modernness.
I remember walking around there during the All Star Game FanFest and thinking of how dark and uninviting it was. I wasn't expecting the rehab to have all that glass and modernness.
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Usually the optimist, but Shadrach, I think you called this one right. I fear the worst. Sooper Cheap smokes, hilariousshadrach wrote:I like the materials and simplicity of the rendering.
But the center will only look as good as the effort retailers and the garage operator put into making this a showcase.
otherwise it could look like this—
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I guess I should have qualified that - No one from NYC with good taste has ever had dinner at that Olive Garden location.Alex Ihnen wrote:False.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Interesting fact: No one from NYC has ever had dinner at that Olive Garden location.ttricamo wrote:The NYC Olive Gardens - http://maps.google.com/maps?q=red+lobst ... 13&iwloc=A
shadrach - that's AWESOME (and scary)
I was laughing so hard when I saw Sooper Cheap Smokes.
I am really curious to see what the other 3 corners of this building will look like. I wish I knew someone who worked at Clayco who I could get the drawings from. I am so inteested to see how this project will turn out.
I am really curious to see what the other 3 corners of this building will look like. I wish I knew someone who worked at Clayco who I could get the drawings from. I am so inteested to see how this project will turn out.
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It's hard to get excited about a parking garage, but I'm glad to see that St. Louis is seeing some variety and a little effort to disguise new parking facilities. This garage in downtown Cincinnati is OK and the Centene garage in Clayton with the motion wall is another OK variation.
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But then your NYC qualifier isn't necessary.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I guess I should have qualified that - No one from NYC with good taste has ever had dinner at that Olive Garden location.
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Shadrach, that is hilarious! I won't be laughing so hard, however, if that's what happens to the place, because that's how it looks in my worst nightmare.shadrach wrote:
Even with those banners, though, this place would be a beauty queen next to some of our worst garages, like the Stadium East/West twins and the garage dressed in hideous drag that now stands at Tucker Boulevard and Clark Street. Maybe the developers will have enough sense to refrain from the signs like those in your picture, but I have a sense of dread thinking of vast empty spaces plastered in 'for lease' signs, or undesirable tenants like Sooper Cheep Smokes.
Glad to make you all laugh but exactly WHO are the tenants going to be?
The leasing company, Partnership for Downtown, and the City (i.e. their restrictive sign ordinance) really need to work in concert, in some way, to make sure this key location truly delivers on its potential.
(maybe 'Partnership' should take the lead on this.)
The leasing company, Partnership for Downtown, and the City (i.e. their restrictive sign ordinance) really need to work in concert, in some way, to make sure this key location truly delivers on its potential.
(maybe 'Partnership' should take the lead on this.)
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Maybe you're too young, but those aren't noodles, they're Pick-up Sticks!
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