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PostMay 13, 2016#451

^Roger, I agree. The Blues have been better on the road this playoff.

Regarding the new rink, that is going to be an amazing development. I hope there is a lot of Blues related signage towards the highway. It would be cool if there was a giant Bluenote on the sign, so out-of-towners know they are in Blues country.
Where in the Valley are we talking? Closer to east end, I hope. What becomes of the Mills? This will be the final dagger, I'd assume, if the dagger was not already inserted.

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PostMay 13, 2016#452

I'm not feeling overly confident for the San Jose series. I think the Blues strength is their toughness and forecheck and I think that will be mitigated a bit against a bigger and tougher Sharks team (relative to the Hawks and Stars, I mean). On the flip side, that also means that the Sharks aren't as fast and explosive as the Hawks or the Stars so hopefully that means a better defensive match-up. Finally, their team and fan base is equally as hungry to shed the "Choker" label as we are.

Should be a war of a series. Go Blues!

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PostMay 13, 2016#453

DogtownBnR wrote: Where in the Valley are we talking? Closer to east end, I hope.
Nope. West end by the Comfort Inn.

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PostMay 13, 2016#454

A "Ballpark village for the Blues?" 30 miles away from their arena..ok.

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PostMay 14, 2016#455

^ Or is it there way of promoting a grander plan by suggesting indirectly the Blues should eventually move west?

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PostMay 14, 2016#456

stlien wrote:A "Ballpark village for the Blues?" 30 miles away from their arena..ok.
I laughed when I read that too. I will say though that there is huge demand for a youth hockey complex in far west county.

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PostMay 14, 2016#457

Blues are quite friendly with Ballpark Village as it is... Great relationship with FSMW and the current Blues Group VP, Sports & Entertainment Operations was the initial Director of Hospitality at BPV.

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PostMay 16, 2016#458

If we're going to be honest, a hockey complex in the county that in large part helps to promote youth hockey makes sense. Hockey takes money to play and there's a lot more money and demand for hockey in the county than there is in the city.

Now, you could argue that the Blues could still develop the hockey complex in the county while building more of an entertainment district in the city, but as chaifetz points out, BPV already has that covered.

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PostMay 16, 2016#459

^ good points, you could also add the fact that LHM is developing Union Station as hotel/entertainment complex on top of BPV on the other end. All you need to do from their is put in a couple of well placed infills in and around Clark Ave, Old Muni courts parking lot and Cupples come to mind, as well as a plan/vision for the day that the Post Office facility can be relocated.

PostMay 29, 2016#460

First hint of what the Scottrade improvements include, along with cost. I also found the last two paragraph of the PD article on Scottrade interesting. Anyone know of or heard of any further discussions on America's Center? Now just need to add the soccer stadium

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 4760b.html

Remodeled concourses, a bigger scoreboard and an enclosed beer garden are part of a $160 million renovation plan for Scottrade Center in downtown St. Louis.

Plans are preliminary but include revamped seating areas and a larger team store for the St. Louis Blues, who operate and manage the city-owned arena.

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In addition to renovation of Scottrade, officials have discussed a plan to remodel America’s Center and the attached Dome, which the Rams vacated to move to Los Angeles. That project could cost more than $120 million, officials have said.

The Scottrade and America’s Center projects — including upgrades to the Dome at America’s Center — were expected to be packaged together in an effort to maximize public financing from potential sources including the city, county, and state of Missouri, officials said in January.

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PostMay 29, 2016#461

shimmy wrote:If we're going to be honest, a hockey complex in the county that in large part helps to promote youth hockey makes sense. Hockey takes money to play and there's a lot more money and demand for hockey in the county than there is in the city.
Does a hockey complex in the city not make sense? Since there's more money in the county, the facility should be there as opposed to the city? Can't those kids commute to the city?

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PostMay 29, 2016#462

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Does a hockey complex in the city not make sense? Since there's more money in the county, the facility should be there as opposed to the city? Can't those kids commute to the city?
I don't think a hockey complex in the city makes much sense, at least on the scale being discussed. Hockey is still very much growing in the United States, particularly in markets outside of its traditional strongholds (New England and Minnesota, for the most part). St. Louis is an emerging hockey market and it is being fueled by the growth of the sport among youth. A hockey complex in the city may be more convenient for those in the Metro East, particularly towns with stronger hockey traditions (though "tradition" still seems like too strong a word for a sport that still doesn't have varsity status) like Edwardsville, Columbia, and to a lesser extent Collinsville, but the overwhelming heart of the market is in the county.

The city provides some wonderful opportunities for the Blues, and the NHL, to invest to grow the game. Let's be blunt, hockey is a sport that is mostly played by wealthy white people. I think inner-cities are markets for hockey that are just waiting for exposure to the game. There's an issue with making it cost-effective, as hockey requires more equipment than most sports to play (and if we're talking real hockey as opposed to street hockey, then it also requires ice - obviously - which is an issue).

However, my neighborhood is an example of how interest in the game can grow despite access to glitzy facilities. Yes, I grew up in a suburban, white neighborhood. But it was a working class neighborhood where no one could afford to play competitively, but we would play backyard hockey all night long. I still can't skate, but I'm a die hard hockey fan and my brother (who also still can't skate) is a season tickets holder. I think a template that the NHL can use is the MLB's "Just Play" (I think it's called that anyways) initiative which encourages kids to play the game in any form (wiffle ball, stickball, etc.), and not just organized leagues, in order to grow interest in the game.

Point being, should the Blues invest in the city? Absolutely, it's a great chance to grow the game. Should that be their primary investment in the scale discussed? No, I don't think so. Their biggest (and still growing) market is in the county.

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PostJun 10, 2016#463

David Backes house is for sale. I wonder if this means he's gone?

https://www.coldwellbankerhomes.com/mo/ ... _12615177/

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PostJun 10, 2016#464

Or just being proactive in soliciting offers just in case he's gone. He can always pull it off the market if he doesn't go.

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PostJun 25, 2016#465

NHL.com: "St. Louis flavor expected for 2016 Draft" https://www.nhl.com/news/four-players-f ... -281033242

Four local players are expected to get drafted in the first round. I'm watching the draft now and Minnesota is currently picking at #15. The first three STL players went #6, 7, and 11.

As a man who can't even skate, I'm blushing from all the praise that NBCSN is giving the St. Louis youth hockey movement. This goes a long ways towards establishing St. Louis as a genuine hockey market and not just a good NHL fan base.

Edit: And there it is. Luke Kunin selected by Minnesota 15th overall. St. Louis with 4 players selected in the top 15 picks of the NHL Draft.

Edit #2: Unexpectedly, Trent Frederic selected #29 overall by the Boston Bruins. On a night where a record number 12 Americans were selected in the first round, FIVE St. Louisians were selected in the first round of the NHL draft. Awesome. AWESOME!

http://blues.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=8 ... L|STL|home

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PostJul 06, 2016#466

shimmy wrote:
stlien wrote:
Does a hockey complex in the city not make sense? Since there's more money in the county, the facility should be there as opposed to the city? Can't those kids commute to the city?
Point being, should the Blues invest in the city? Absolutely, it's a great chance to grow the game. Should that be their primary investment in the scale discussed? No, I don't think so. Their biggest (and still growing) market is in the county.
Pardon me Shimmy but I cut out some of your comment to get to last point. One of the development proposals submitted to Maryland Heights provided details on a plan centered around arena catering to hockey. Their proposal seems like overkill for the market they stated and certainly probably more than what the Blues is seeking for their next practice arena.

I'm pretty much sold on the idea of city armory as an indoor facility for city youth leauge and or a college team. Blues maintains a large fan base in the county and see them having every intention of their practice facility in the county. Nor do I see a ice in Armory competing with a county ice facility for leagues, etc..

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... d85f0.html

Hat Trick in its submission told Maryland Heights of plans to build a multi-purpose, 6,200-seat Lake District arena.

The facility — constructed primarily to accommodate youth and adult amateur hockey — would include a business park, hotel and stores.

Hat Trick predicts the development will host 125 events a year and have a “direct economic impact” of $19 million annually.

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dredger wrote:
shimmy wrote:
stlien wrote:
Does a hockey complex in the city not make sense? Since there's more money in the county, the facility should be there as opposed to the city? Can't those kids commute to the city?
Point being, should the Blues invest in the city? Absolutely, it's a great chance to grow the game. Should that be their primary investment in the scale discussed? No, I don't think so. Their biggest (and still growing) market is in the county.
Pardon me Shimmy but I cut out some of your comment to get to last point. One of the development proposals submitted to Maryland Heights provided details on a plan centered around arena catering to hockey. Their proposal seems like overkill on seats for the market they stated and certainly probably more than what the Blues is seeking for their next practice arena. At same time, probably seeking other entertainment options to support the proposed arena.

I'm pretty much sold on the idea of city armory as an indoor ice facility for city youth leauges and or a college team. Blues maintains a large fan base in the county and see them having every intention of keeping their practice facility in the county. Nor do I see a ice in Armory needing the Blues nor competing with a county ice facility for leagues, etc..to be successful. Just some backing from the city and one of the colleges whether it be SLU or Wash U

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... d85f0.html

Hat Trick in its submission told Maryland Heights of plans to build a multi-purpose, 6,200-seat Lake District arena.

The facility — constructed primarily to accommodate youth and adult amateur hockey — would include a business park, hotel and stores.

Hat Trick predicts the development will host 125 events a year and have a “direct economic impact” of $19 million annually.

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PostJul 06, 2016#468

6,200 seats does seem like an awful lot. I guess it could attract other acts (circus, etc.) but there seems to already be plenty of venues for that.

An armory arena would be awesome. I'd love to see SLU or WashU sponsor a varsity team and lead the effort.

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PostJul 07, 2016#469

^ Not to mention that there is a 10,000 seat arena directly across the Missouri River from this proposed development whose largest current tenant is the St. Louis Ambush.

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PostJul 07, 2016#470

shimmy wrote:6,200 seats does seem like an awful lot. I guess it could attract other acts (circus, etc.) but there seems to already be plenty of venues for that.

An armory arena would be awesome. I'd love to see SLU or WashU sponsor a varsity team and lead the effort.

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To me the best possible outcome would a County/Blues practice/Youth league & tournament facility and a City/College/Youth having ice @ the Armory. That would cement continued Blues support as well as build a college hockey program for the region.

The aforementioned plan sounds like one to many arenas and venues competing for the same number of mid size shows. Which means only more tax dollars keeping the existing facilities afloat. Heck, still don't like the idea of Centene putting its weights behind a Clayton CBD performance hall.

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PostSep 22, 2016#471

I've seen several articles over the last 6 months, regarding Brett Hull selling his home in Clayton. Anyone know where he moved and if he is still living primarily in STL? He claimed to be back in STL for good, as a permanent resident, when he joined Blues management. Just curious..

http://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-r ... _wp_site=1

PostDec 20, 2016#472

Even though the hometown kid, Patrick Maroon's goal was a back-breaker for the Blues and inevitably cost them the game, this is an awesome clip. Pat Maroon was interviewed after the game. At the end of the clip, he is asked about his son cheering his goal in the crowd at Scottrade last night. He becomes very emotional saying how awesome it was and how being on the road, he does not get to see him very often.

Anyhow, check this out. Makes me like Pat Maroon even more.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/artic ... brate-goal

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PostDec 30, 2016#473

Game day! Let's Go BLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUES!!!!!!!!!!!

Would love to see our boys avenge their loss to the Preds in Nashville earlier this month.

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PostJan 03, 2017#474

Per Casey Nolen with KSDK, a bill to renovate Scottrade will be unveiled today.


I'm hearing that this will be Industrial Revenue Bonds, which are issued by the City, backed and paid back by the Blues. City holds the title until the bonds are paid back, and it keeps the City's credit rating intact.

If this is true, I'm wondering why these aren't an option for the SC STL group.

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PostJan 03, 2017#475

Looks like City is asked to pay $4M a year towards bond payments.... uuugh.

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