Speed Humps and Traffic Calming

quincunx · PostJul 10, 2023#1912023-07-10T13:54+00:00

NextSTL - Safety Improvements coming to Skinker and Forest Park Parkway

FPP and SKinker Safety Improvements Drawing.png (407.93KiB)

https://nextstl.com/2023/07/safety-impr ... k-parkway/

LArchitecture · PostJul 10, 2023#1922023-07-10T14:36+00:00

quincunx wrote:NextSTL - Safety Improvements coming to Skinker and Forest Park Parkway

FPP and SKinker Safety Improvements Drawing.png

https://nextstl.com/2023/07/safety-impr ... k-parkway/

Other than having perpendicular/facing crosswalks I don’t really see how this is much of a safety improvement. It’s pretty much what already exists and then adding some crosswalk width for bikes. Need the center median on east forest park parkway to continue west and run north south on Skinker. That would be an improvement.

symphonicpoet · PostJul 10, 2023#1932023-07-10T17:48+00:00

^Yeah, a real pedestrian refuge in the center of both streets and protected bike lanes and a road diet at least on Skinker would be really good.

quincunx · PostJul 10, 2023#1942023-07-10T18:04+00:00

I wish we had the courage to do that, but the level of service!
The earlier drawings had a median on the west side. I don't know why it was removed from the design.

jwisch · PostJul 11, 2023#1952023-07-11T14:24+00:00

I'm with you guys on wanting things to be faster and genuinely protective, but my daily experience of crossing Skinker on a bike at the intersection just south of FPP & Skinker has improved like 200% since they added the green paint. I know paint isn't going to magically protect me from a driver who does not care that I exist, but for the 98% of drivers who I genuinely believe are trying not to murder someone...I think the paint helps a lot. It seems to highlight for drivers that they should be looking for bikes. For awhile I was going the extra couple blocks out of my way to cross Skinker at Wydown just because the paint seemed to be encouraging better driver behavior, so I'm really glad to see this continuing to spread north, even if it's only a half measure.

sc4mayor · PostJul 11, 2023#1962023-07-11T14:40+00:00

The WashU Skinker intersections are nice. Maybe not perfect, but you're also not going to eliminate every a**hole driver out there no matter how perfect you build it. But the extra wide, visible cross walks, green bike lanes, etc. will get the majority of drivers to pay attention and mind their space. My guess is FPP will look exactly like these:

I wish Wydown and Skinker would get the same treatment:

airforceguy1 · PostJul 11, 2023#1972023-07-11T22:27+00:00

MoDOT to show possible safety upgrades for Page Boulevard in north St. Louis on Tuesday

State transportation officials on Tuesday afternoon will demonstrate potential changes for Page Boulevard aimed at improving traffic safety along the north St. Louis street.
The event will be from 2 to 6 p.m. along a two-block stretch of Page between Belt and Arlington avenues, in front of the Better Family Life facility at 5415 Page.

Among possible improvements to be shown are a reduction in vehicle lanes, pedestrian "refuge islands," a median and curb extensions and "bump outs."
"We're really looking forward to giving our residents and commuters an opportunity to physically experience how various safety features might work" and get feedback, said Jen Wade, the Missouri Department of Transportation's area engineer for the city.

The reaction gathered at the event will be used by MoDOT in determining what features to include when the agency in 2026 resurfaces and improves the 4-mile stretch of Page inside city limits and a 2-mile segment of Martin Luther King Drive east of Page.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/modot-to-show-possible-safety-upgrades-for-page-boulevard-in-north-st-louis-on-tuesday/article_354cbc26-2009-11ee-956b-134e13c1b450.html#tracking-source=home-the-latest

quincunx · PostJul 12, 2023#1982023-07-12T00:12+00:00

MoDOT Route D Page Ave project page

https://www.modot.org/route-d-safety-an ... louis-city

dweebe · PostJul 20, 2023#1992023-07-20T19:02+00:00

Can we give Olive/Lindell a road diet like this from Tucker to Grand?

(Yes, I know we can't do palm trees.)

EssTeeEll · PostJul 20, 2023#2002023-07-20T20:19+00:00

^ All the yes

STLinCHI · PostJul 20, 2023#2012023-07-20T23:45+00:00

This would be the most transformative way to ignite development between DTW and Midtown. The Brickline Greenway will be a nice amenity, but will not have a huge development impact by itself.

LArchitecture · PostJul 20, 2023#2022023-07-20T23:59+00:00

Include appropriate bike lanes, storm water management methods (similar to cortex), and soil cell tree systems and yes I’m totally on board.

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostJul 21, 2023#2032023-07-21T02:31+00:00

The best part about that kind of traffic calming is that it's very politically expedient. Not only does it vastly improve the streetscape and slow cars down, it also adds street parking capacity! Perfect solution for some of our wider streets.

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostJul 22, 2023#2042023-07-22T00:14+00:00

I would like this better if a street car was down the middle.

quincunx · PostJul 25, 2023#2052023-07-25T13:54+00:00

KMOV - Crown Candy owner continues demands for improved street safety due to reckless driving

https://www.kmov.com/2023/07/25/crown-c ... s-driving/

PostAug 02, 2023#2062023-08-02T01:35+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Jul 10, 2023
NextSTL - Safety Improvements coming to Skinker and Forest Park Parkway

FPP and SKinker Safety Improvements Drawing.png

https://nextstl.com/2023/07/safety-impr ... k-parkway/

They finally started today.

PostAug 04, 2023#2072023-08-04T19:10+00:00

StlToday - Our bollard world: St. Louis is increasingly guarded by columns of concrete

https://www.stltoday.com/life-entertain ... ee0da.html

LArchitecture · PostAug 04, 2023#2082023-08-04T20:48+00:00

quincunx wrote:StlToday - Our bollard world: St. Louis is increasingly guarded by columns of concrete

https://www.stltoday.com/life-entertain ... ee0da.html

There’s a good point in the article about making sure the right bollard is chosen for a particular project or aesthetic. I definitely agree with this as well as the idea of a blended security line of a variety elements ie not just bollards.

quincunx · PostAug 07, 2023#2092023-08-07T13:49+00:00

You can comment on the possible reconfigurations of MO-231, Kingston and Telegraph in south Stl County.
https://www.modot.org/missouri-route-23 ... y-st-louis