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Thanks for the map, DB. Now I get it.

small rendering - I don't think I've seen this here yet:

I disagree with the concensus that this project will improve the look of the campus. I think the monolithic neo-Gothic architecture of Wash U is oppressive and repetitious. The monotony is pronounced. First of all, in any new construction, I would hope they would shy away from faux-historic.



Secondly, I think the stretch of Lindell between Grand and Vandeventer is one of the most lively interactions of differing architectural styles in the whole city. There's a lot of grand historic, interesting modern, and small scale historic too. McGannon and the Humanities building, taken singularly, are perhaps "ugly" and a representation of garrish Modernism. I think, though, in the context of the streetscape, they are very interesting buildings. If the Humanities building had an entrance facing Lindell, that would solve its problems.



This is a net loss for the campus, in my opinion, and does set a precedent for demolishing the visual cohesion of the Lindell corridor--one that I feel should be protected as nearly as possibly in its present state. If replacement is necessary, it should be modern construction. We have had far too much blase in St. Louis. Bring on the lively and creative architectural innovations, I say...or don't touch it at all.

I agree somewhat with 'Drops the H. I've been traveling this stretch of Lindell lately to visualize the coming changes, and I have to say that I like the Law Library as it is now. Its a good looking building, and I see no reason to re-clad it. Some variety is nice.



On the other hand, I do like the "collegiate gothic" look of Wash U's newer construction. They've spent a lot of money and have built some very nice buildings. The cohesive look works - they're building a campus, after all. It's a bit differant for SLU, though, because they've got so many existing buildings to work with. Plus, they're smack in the middle of an urban area, whereas Wash U functions pretty much as an island. I'd say SLU should go with the eclectic look.

WashU has spent so much money on their new buildings to make sure they dont look "faux-historic". I think theyve done a very good job. Now SLU better spend the same type of dollars that WashU did if they want the same effect. Im afraid they may be the ones coming off "faux-historic"

Here's a pic of the business school expansion that was completed around 2000 or so, to give you an indication of how the law school will probably look:

I think it's nice. I kind of like what they're doing at the University of Cincinnati, but it doesn't seem to be so well received by many outside architectural circles.

I'm going to register my official opinion on this expansion and demolition: Boo.

I understand why some aren't in favor of this project, but we all want a healthy, vibrant and successful SLU (at least for Midtown if nothing else) - this will be another great component of the University.

I just wish that if they were going to tear down a historic building or two, they might design something a little more interesting and eye catching.

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That's not a bad idea, actually. Maybe not at Grand and Lindell, but elsewhere on campus. While the law school definitely needs a new building, its existing facilities would work really well for other departments too.

saw a model of the new law school in the atrium on the way to class tonight. i forgot to snap a picture of it, but maybe tomorrow. looks great IMO, but too bad it won't be finished by the time i graduate.. although maybe that's a good thing. studying around all of that construction could be a PITA. the placard on top mentioned a 41month timeline...

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Any idea on how fundraising is going and if there's an anticipated groundbreaking date?

no idea how the fundraising is going or when the groundbreaking will occur, but here are some pictures of the model - sorry about the quality - my camera skillz are lacking... the view if observed from ground level looks nice, but the aerial views certainly give new meaning to faux historical. the new expansion west of queen's daughter hall is much needed and least eliminates one of the many small ugly parking lots already on campus.



views from the east









view from the west





view from the north

Thanks for the post. Now I can see how this all fits together.

It really is too bad that the building on the site was lost, but this is a very attractive building and incorporates the remainging structure well - IMO.

I disagree Grover. I think it is further monotonizing the stretch of Lindell.



Lindell used to house mansions. It later gave way to similarly scaled modern buildings, many of which remain today.



SLU's current plan for the area calls for further campus-izing Lindell Blvd, turning attractive modern and historic buildings over to these faux-Gothic massive Cook Hall-style type.



I will admit that the design could be much worse. I just would rather see SLU for once show some sort of dedication to historic preservation at times when it is the slightest bit inconvenient to do so.



A new law school is a great idea. Why more demolition though?

turning attractive modern and historic buildings over to these faux-Gothic massive Cook Hall-style type.

Were the historic buildings on Wash U's campus considered "faux Gothic" when they were built in the 1904-1920's period? I didn't know the Gothic period ended only 80 years ago. Everything that is built today does NOT have to be in the "modern" style. Personally, I'm a huge fan of both modern and traditional styles, but people, come on, take an architecture class.

I HATE to see the destruction of any building, as one can see from my posts, but if something BETTER is going to be placed on the same spot, then I'm not opposed.

Aside from this new project, SLU definitely has a HORRIBLE track record of demolishing tons of historic structures in the area.

Your point splits hairs a bit. Of course the Gothic style didn't end 80 years ago. Clearly, the term "faux Gothic" refers to building materials that are cheap and do not reflect the respected Americanized Gothic style that was better produced that 80 years ago.



And of course, I agree with you. A teardown may be justified if what replaces it is "better"--a complicated assessment, though.

In any event, the current law school is an emabarassment no matter how you look at it. So get over it. It's an improvement.