Find parking for their pickup trucks? You're joking right?MarkHaversham wrote:That would be a hard sell, I think most of RGA's employees live pretty far out from the city. In Clayton it would be harder for them to find parking for their pickup trucks.stlien wrote:Dooley would've won if he could've convinced RGA to build in downtown Clayton.
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Sort of?stlien wrote:Find parking for their pickup trucks? You're joking right?MarkHaversham wrote:That would be a hard sell, I think most of RGA's employees live pretty far out from the city. In Clayton it would be harder for them to find parking for their pickup trucks.stlien wrote:Dooley would've won if he could've convinced RGA to build in downtown Clayton.
just watched the timelapse... wow it looks like they have A LOT of parking? Surface lot plus 2 underground levels.
Is there a map of the Metro STL where it shows the EXACT CENTER of the metro (including IL obviously) population is. Is it really west of clayton? North west?
Is there a map of the Metro STL where it shows the EXACT CENTER of the metro (including IL obviously) population is. Is it really west of clayton? North west?
Your guess is pretty close to the population center of St. Louis County, which is at 33 Upper Ladue Road.
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Its not that far from their current building at 64/141?zink wrote:If that is the center... why did they build so far out west?
Too bad it's in Chesterfield, but this could be a game-changing building for St. Louis. Hopefully, it will cause other companies to raise their design standards. The building was designed by Gensler, a major international architecture firm, and really is a stunner. Here's some info from St. Louis Construction News and Review:
http://www.stlouiscnr.com/features/arti ... dium=email
Maybe someone could make the trek out there and get some photos?
http://www.stlouiscnr.com/features/arti ... dium=email
Maybe someone could make the trek out there and get some photos?
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Because many of RGA's employees live in Ballwin, O'Fallon, or smaller rural areas like New Melle or High Ridge. And it's cheaper.zink wrote:If that is the center... why did they build so far out west?
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^ I didn't get a great look going westbound, but coming back to civilization the place looked pretty striking at night with the openness. Makes me vomit every time I head out that way seeing all the office space... regional suicide sucks.
At least RGA decided to remain and invest in the St. Louis region. It is better than the alternative that we have experienced so many times.
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I guess this is the best we, as St. Louisans, will ever be able to hope for.tech840 wrote:At least RGA decided to remain and invest in the St. Louis region. It is better than the alternative that we have experienced so many times.
^Wow. That's bleak.
I'm trying to think of companies that have chosen to leave St. Louis. As in, not due to a merger or acquisition, but because they just wanted to be somewhere else and relocated. The only two I can think of are Southwestern Bell/SBC moving to Texas, and Clayco moving to Chicago. Maybe Hardee's? I now the CEO was looking to Texas for some tax breaks, but it was never clear to me if that happened.
Other than tiny start-ups leaving, or city firms leaving for the county, I can't think of any. Point being, I don't think it was ever a consideration that RGA would just up and leave on its own accord.
I'm trying to think of companies that have chosen to leave St. Louis. As in, not due to a merger or acquisition, but because they just wanted to be somewhere else and relocated. The only two I can think of are Southwestern Bell/SBC moving to Texas, and Clayco moving to Chicago. Maybe Hardee's? I now the CEO was looking to Texas for some tax breaks, but it was never clear to me if that happened.
Other than tiny start-ups leaving, or city firms leaving for the county, I can't think of any. Point being, I don't think it was ever a consideration that RGA would just up and leave on its own accord.
I guess I was disappointed in the term "makes me want to vomit" when a company invests in St. Louis. The urban regeneration is obviously a slow process and I support anyone who invests in the region. More investment in downtown is obviously needed. Many companies have decided to sell out or no longer invest locally. For instance, I do not have a good feeling about the decisions being made at AB/Inbev. They have now moved marketing to NYC and micro-brewery decisions to Chicago. I believe we will continue to see a reduction in force in the St. Louis office. The slow reduction in personnel and power at this downtown stalwart is much more a reason for sickness then RGA deciding to invest in the county.
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^ The problem is that these HQ locational decisions made in the past 15 years or so have had enormous consequences on where we live and how effective we can be as a region.... too much of our corporate and development community thinks we're Atlanta or something where impressive growth is actually happening. The RGA headquarters is way out there.... in fact it is further from the 270 interchange as Buckhead is to downtown ATL. It is further out from downtown STL than Marietta or almost even Alpharetta is from downtown ATL.
The main beneficiary of all these unfortunate decisions to locate past 270 or 141 is Saint Charles County.... being a leader in job sprawl has enormous negative consequences, and if half of this far-flung development had occurred in places like Clayton, NorthPark/UMSL and downtown we'd all be much better off. Except maybe for Saint Chuck's.
The main beneficiary of all these unfortunate decisions to locate past 270 or 141 is Saint Charles County.... being a leader in job sprawl has enormous negative consequences, and if half of this far-flung development had occurred in places like Clayton, NorthPark/UMSL and downtown we'd all be much better off. Except maybe for Saint Chuck's.
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RGA already has a hugely far-suburban (farburban?) workforce. It was probably never going to locate in or near the city without an extremely convincing reason to give many of its key employees an extra 20 minute commute.
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^ Because they already are out in some boring office building on Timberlake Manor... if they would have moved towards Clayton that would have been in the right direction!
Charter moved to NYC.wabash wrote:^Wow. That's bleak.
I'm trying to think of companies that have chosen to leave St. Louis. As in, not due to a merger or acquisition, but because they just wanted to be somewhere else and relocated. The only two I can think of are Southwestern Bell/SBC moving to Texas, and Clayco moving to Chicago. Maybe Hardee's? I now the CEO was looking to Texas for some tax breaks, but it was never clear to me if that happened.
Other than tiny start-ups leaving, or city firms leaving for the county, I can't think of any. Point being, I don't think it was ever a consideration that RGA would just up and leave on its own accord.
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"Dunn weighed the size of work stations and informal areas, and analyzed RGA's population. The company had 753 employees in St. Louis and plans to quickly add 300 more. “Sixty percent of headquarters employees are Baby Boomers or Gen X, 40 percent are Millennials and Generation Y,” who have different expectations about work spaces. “A year after they occupy the building, the proportions will flip. In 10 years, the Baby Boomers will be gone,” he said."
If they *really* gave a crap about Millennials (or the region) they would have at least built inside of Lindbergh.
If they *really* gave a crap about Millennials (or the region) they would have at least built inside of Lindbergh.
In addition to some updates about the Wildhorse project in the PD, this rendering of a potential new RGA office building was also included:
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https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 1f224.html
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 1f224.html