This part doesn't even make any sense. What does equitable enforcement even mean?flipz wrote: ↑Apr 16, 2024I agree it's a money grab. Hope they took out the part about equitable enforcement.
"The revenue from the fines won’t go to the city’s general-use fund as it once did, either. Instead, it will be earmarked to first cover the cost of administering the program for city police and courts and then pay for improvements to neighborhood streets and sidewalks."RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Apr 16, 2024In addition to the red light cameras, I'd love to see what the city did on Louisiana Ave. and copy/paste it all around the city.
In the past some municipalities have intentionally shortened the duration of the yellow lights in order to generate more red light tickets, and thus more ticket revenue:_nomad_ wrote: ↑Apr 16, 2024The only reason yellows "aren't long enough" is if the driver is already speeding too fast. Drive a reasonable speed and you won't be caught out by the light.
-RBB3) Springfield, Missouri
The city of Springfield, Missouri prepared for the installation of a red light camera system in 2007 by slashing the yellow warning time by one second at 105 state-owned intersection signals across the city.
The city defended its effort to the Springfield News-Leader by claiming it was “standardizing” and had increased the yellow time at 136 city-operated lights to meet national standards. During the city council meeting last October where the red light camera ordinance was approved, however, Assistant Director of Public Works Earl Newman gave a different explanation for the reduction. Newman said he was, “concerned that many individuals run the light if the light remained yellow too long.”
It's worth noting that t-bone accidents are among the most serious and dangerous, and rear end accidents are noticeably less so, thanks in part to the layout of automobiles, but also, interestingly, to the layout of our own anatomy. The head trauma from side impacts is considerably worse. I don't think red light cameras are a perfect solution, or that they can't be abused, but if used sensibly I truly believe they have a role to play. Likewise speed cameras.hebeters wrote: ↑Apr 16, 2024The last major traffic study from dept trans of Ohio indicates that red light cameras DON'T decrease accidents / public safety. They DO decrease t-bone accidents but increase rear end collisions. The best solution, that dropped ALL accident rates - increase the length of the yellow light. This is a momey grab under the guide of public safety. Street calming measures (narrower roads, etc) increase public safety, actual accountability - police in force yanking unregistered cars and three year old temp plates, Increase safety - this ain't it (IMO).
That's great, thanks for sharing!dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2024You’re in luck!kipfilet wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2024^ Agreed. Instead of number of accidents, I'd be more interested in number of serious injuries. I'd trade 1 serious accident for 3 less serious ones.
https://x.com/beganovic2024/status/1780 ... 00755?s=46
That data, like the post it’s quoted is for crashes where a signal violation was the main cause of the crash. (That will always be the main cause even if there is speeding)kipfilet wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2024That's great, thanks for sharing!dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2024You’re in luck!kipfilet wrote: ↑Apr 25, 2024^ Agreed. Instead of number of accidents, I'd be more interested in number of serious injuries. I'd trade 1 serious accident for 3 less serious ones.
https://x.com/beganovic2024/status/1780 ... 00755?s=46
I don't know if they're sticking with the 'equitable enforcement' part but that was supposed to be part of it and should tell you your answer. They don't care to uphold the laws, this is a money grab.10-intuition wrote: ↑Jul 09, 2024How will this affect those driving around with expired temp tags or cars with no license plates? I see so many cars in North St. Louis that don't have license plates driving around recklessly. The other day I saw a Toyota Avalon on Goodfellow running though a red light with expired tags from 2020! I am not a fan of redlight cameras because they aren't about safety and more about revenue generating. Also, the camera operators get quite a commission from each violation too.
Why do you say “we don’t like actual enforcement”? From what I can see, stricter enforcement auto authentication is overwhelmingly popular.quincunx wrote:Cars need authentication schemes to verify license, registration, and insurance. But we don't like actual enforcement, just cat and mouse.
The state passed the mind boggling amount of money to stand up sales tax collection at point of sale for cars.
I think you’re misrepresenting the opinion of most drivers. Stricter enforcement of things like license plate tags, and traffic laws in general seems overwhelmingly popular.quincunx wrote:No, drivers want to be able to break the law at their discretion. Enforcement is for others.
