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See what was recently brought up in Chicago. Looks like they found a great way to cover the estimated $900 million cost of Olympic venues.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 6367.story



Next up: Using red light cameras to nail those driving without insurance.

The city could net nearly $10 million a year in fines just by citing uninsured vehicles that also get photo ticketed for a red-light violation, said Ald. Ed Burke (14th), who brought the idea to the City Council Traffic Committee.



Citing more vehicles—including those driven safely but uninsured—could net the city more than $100 million a year, added Rowland Day, executive vice president of InsureNet, a Michigan-based company that provides instant insurance verification.

The vendor claims to have 3 or 4 states ready to sign on in the next three months.



One wonders why this couldn't already be handled by having the DMV batch up its registration records, send them over to be verified, and fine those who don't. Of course, then the $500 fine would go to the state, and not to the city.

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Next up: Using red light cameras to nail those driving without insurance.

yes !!!!! If you have ever been in an accident with an uninsured driver than you know what I mean. Get those F'ers OFF THE ROAD!

Moorlander wrote:^

Next up: Using red light cameras to nail those driving without insurance.

yes !!!!! If you have ever been in an accident with an uninsured driver than you know what I mean. Get those F'ers OFF THE ROAD!

The only thing worse than driving uninsured is driving drunk.



I just have a hard time with the idea that this still seems like private law enforcement, and very clearly done in an attempt to garner $100 MM+ in annual revenue to shore up budget deficits.



Just like with the red light cameras, a private company comes in and says "here's the pile of cash you could be making, just give us a little bit of it and we'll do the rest."

hey, let's take it a step further. let's have "face recognition technology" in every public place imaginable. A camera monitors everyone's face either driving or walking down the street and is submitted back to a main computer, and if you're in the system, the red light goes off and tracks your every move, police are sent.. please take away my freedom and liberty. surely this would never be used for the wrong purpose. Judge Dredd?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_recognition_system

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Anyone notice the newly erected automated speed traps on I-170 just north of the St Charles Rock Rd exit? I think the town of Charlack put them up, but am not totally sure.

JCity wrote:hey, let's take it a step further. let's have "face recognition technology" in every public place imaginable. A camera monitors everyone's face either driving or walking down the street and is submitted back to a main computer, and if you're in the system, the red light goes off and tracks your every move, police are sent.. please take away my freedom and liberty. surely this would never be used for the wrong purpose. Judge Dredd?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_recognition_system

When I went to the 2001 Super Bowl I was told they were using facial recognition for the first time.

Question:

I was driving the other day, saw light turned yellow, entered the intersection on yellow, light turned red as I was right in the middle of the intersection, saw the flash go off. Will I get a ticket?
What is the rule of thumb on what constitutes a violation. I was in the intersection on red, but I entered when it was yellow, yet I got flashed.
If it is hard to determine, how can I find out if I got one, how long will it take??
If I can find out, where and how soon after the 'violation'?

I greatly appreciate any input, thanks in advance.

I believe to get a ticket you need to cross the line when the light is red. The flash goes off twice for a ticket to be issued - once at the moment you go over the line, and again when you're in the middle of the intersection. If it didn't snap twice you're probably OK.

A while back the P-D reported the cameras also try to anticipate whether you might run the light and preemptively flash -- if you're heading at the light quickly and still stop before you hit the line, it might still take the first picture so it'd have one of you going over the line if you didn't stop. If there was anyone behind you, the camera might have been going off for them because of that reason.

Edit: this is not from STL but this PDF features the same camera vendor/ticket processing company and explains the two pictures that get taken. "Phase R" in the top corner of the first shot reflects the light was red before the motorist went in.

http://www.ppines.com/police/red-light/ ... t-work.pdf

^Thanks for the info!

Just buy the spray that makes your plates invisible to cameras that use a flash. Then you can run red lights all day till your lil hearts content.

RFT - St. Louis Board of Aldermen Eyes Red Light Cameras to Curb Traffic Violence


https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/st ... e-40486626

She was reacting to the reckless driving described in this thread.

Don't think that's going to do it. If we can't enforce license plates I doubt people would pay red light tickets. It won't stop the people that run red lights blatantly and will ticket those that may miss a light by 1/2 a second. 

Also What:
"The draft bill attempts to compensate for those concerns by requiring officials to consider “equity and environmental factors” when deciding where to install cameras and having the police perform annual assessments that will include data on who is being cited. "


It sounds to me like a cash grab. Redesign intersections and deploy traffic police.

I am also skeptical on the ability to enforce the citations. I wonder if there is any data pre 2015 that indicates the effectiveness?

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Sep 18, 2023

I am also skeptical on the ability to enforce the citations. I wonder if there is any data pre 2015 that indicates the effectiveness?

At one point between 2/2014 and summer of 2015, 56,000 people their $100 red light camera citation in the City, no idea how many were issued. 

dbInSouthCity wrote:

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Sep 18, 2023

I am also skeptical on the ability to enforce the citations. I wonder if there is any data pre 2015 that indicates the effectiveness?

At one point between 2/2014 and summer of 2015, 56,000 people their $100 red light camera citation in the City, no idea how many were issued. 

That’s more than I would’ve expected. Perhaps it can play a role in improving traffic safety along with redesigning safer intersections and beefing up traffic policing.