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PostJul 07, 2006#101

That building in Nashville probably will happen. If you pay any attention to the Nashville boosters on the skyscraper forum, apparently their sales are cruising along.



One thing to watch out for if StL is going to get a new office tower are the big tenant leases in Clayton or West Co. Are there any that are expiring around 2010-15? If so start soliciting them for a new signature tower downtown. All it takes is a little confidence and aggressive selling to get downtown back in the mix.

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PostJul 07, 2006#102

Christ someone post the renderings already!

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PostJul 08, 2006#103

McGowan is co-hosting a downtown panel discussion at Copia on Tuesday evening. Maybe he'll bring the rendering.

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PostJul 11, 2006#104

Framer wrote:McGowan is co-hosting a downtown panel discussion at Copia on Tuesday evening. Maybe he'll bring the rendering.


Hmm, didna hear about that. I can't go, but what's the panel discussion for? Details? Open to the public? What am I saying, if Kevin is involved, it must be open to the public. :lol:

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PostJul 11, 2006#105

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Framer wrote:McGowan is co-hosting a downtown panel discussion at Copia on Tuesday evening. Maybe he'll bring the rendering.


Hmm, didna hear about that. I can't go, but what's the panel discussion for? Details? Open to the public? What am I saying, if Kevin is involved, it must be open to the public. :lol:


McGowan Walsh Presents: DOWNTOWN IS ALIVE!



Tuesday, July 11th 2006, 5:30- 9:00 PM at Copia Urban Winery



Join your friends at McGowan Walsh for this unique downtown panel discussion.



Want to know what's up with downtown? Bring your questions and a friend for this informative downtown panel discussion. Listen and learn from some of downtown's most influential opinion leaders and trendsetters, including our very own Kevin McGowan! After the discussion, the wine garden at Copia Urban Winery (1122 Washington Ave.) will open to a networking happy hour with complimentary appetizers from Copia, wine tasting from Les Bourgeois Vineyards and drinks by Budweiser.



This event is free with RSVP before July 7th. Make sure to use the codeword, McGowan Walsh, in the comments box when registering on the ALIVE website.



$10 at the door (proceeds benefit GenNext).



RSVP Today at http://www.alivemag.com

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PostJul 11, 2006#106

urbanstlouis wrote:
This event is free with RSVP before July 7th. Make sure to use the codeword, McGowan Walsh, in the comments box when registering on the ALIVE website.



$10 at the door (proceeds benefit GenNext).



RSVP Today at http://www.alivemag.com


The website said before July 5th. Your source says before July 7th. I just registered on the website, and it didn't say anything about being late. So hopefully I'm in.



I just hope there aren't too many of those annoying "wine lovers" there.

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PostJul 11, 2006#107

Why the quotes? Do you not like wine?



And report back what happens tonight.

PostJul 11, 2006#108

Please.



:D

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PostJul 11, 2006#109

Wine lovers show up at Art Openings too, and do so to "look" intellectual. As far as I go, I'm called a "beer" leech. We show up at Art Openings for free beer and hipster women... oh and art too.

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PostJul 11, 2006#110

I like beer. I like wine. I like hard liquor. I'm an alcohol leech. :twisted:



A good night would be a couple coctails (preferrably bourbon or vodka on the rocks) before dinner, a good bottle of wine with dinner, a glass of port after dinner. And either going back to bourbon/vodka, or switching to beer. :)

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PostJul 11, 2006#111

Please keep this discussion on topic....

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PostJul 12, 2006#112

Based on the comments Mr. McGowan made at Copia today the developement will be announced offically sometime later this summer. In addition the developement will be 85 % finainced using money from Wall Street .

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PostJul 12, 2006#113

Good news. This gets more intriguing ever time we hear something. I wonder who the mystery main tenant will be?

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PostJul 12, 2006#114

trent wrote:Why the quotes? Do you not like wine?



And report back what happens tonight.


I do not like wine, and I find most "wine people" to be dull and pretentious.



OK. I went. It was OK. Let me look and see if there is a specific thread about the night.

PostJul 12, 2006#115

OK, there doesn't seem to be a thread specific to tonight's event, so I will post here. Mods, feel free to split this off.



The event was held out back in the outdoor (but covered) "beer garden". I bit warm, but hey, the beer was free.



Event opens about 5-10 minutes late. Not sure why, as it looked like everyone was there.



The first person up is the, well, I'm not sure what she is. Not the MC, but it is her job to introduce the panel. Her name was Sherry (something). And I must say, she was an absolute, total, complete waste of time. That is 20 minutes of my life I will never get back. For those who have never been to a panel discussion like this, you are supposed to introduce each panel member, and give a brief list of their accomplishments, and more importantly, which of their accomplishments qualify them to be on the panel. Well, Sherry had no problem with that, except she was more interested in telling us how well she knew the panelist, and how long she had known them, and to relate any anecdotes that involved the panelist and, of course, Sherry.



It went something like this:



Sherry: Our first panelist is Pat Shannon. I have know Pat for several years. And of course, I grew up listening to her dad on the radio. Pat and I first met when I worked on a project with her for X, and then I went on to serve on (some) board with her. I remember the first time I walked into the new Shannon's with Pat and I noticed how there were still wires hanging out of the wall, and I said to Pat.... She blathered on, and on, and on, and on about herself and how "I" know each and every one of them. It took 20 minutes to introduce 5 people. I wanted to chew my fingers off. Seriously, I thought about leaving.



Anyhow, we finally get to the panel. McGraw Millhaven of KMOX(?) takes over. He's a good MC, and kept the evening rolling. Asked good (pre-rehearsed) questions.



Kevin McGowan could have been up there all by himself. An impressive guy. At one point he mentioned that MW would have a "major" announcement later in the Summer. The MW Tower perhaps? He also talked about Wall Street getting into the game, and how that was good for the area - it means they think this whole thing isn't a passing fad. Said something about them financing 85% of a $600 million upcoming project. Again, perhaps the tower?



Pat Shannon and a black guy (Chuck?) had the business owners perspective. (Black guy) sounds like he owns some sort of Kitchen Supply store? If so, I'll be visiting when I move down there.



Jim Cloan from Downtown STL had some good input. A lady from Nestle-Purina (Betty? It was hard to hear sometimes), didn't have a whole lot to say, but she was OK.



A few questions from the audience followed. None were terribly interesting. Someone asked about the Bottle District. Jim said that McGuire had assembled about 16 acres, and had the "developer from NC" lined up, and he felt it would be really good for that area, since it is sort of cut off from the rest of downtown by the dome and I-70.



Kevin McGowan, as might be expected, is a BIG supporter of the downtown renaissance. He says we are only this far (holds fingers about 1/2 inch apart) along on the journey.



Show lasts about 1 hour, and when McGraw says "OK, let me re-introduce Sherry for some closing comments", I said "OK, that's my cue, exit stage left". So I have no idea what she said to close, but I'm sure it was about her.



I'll try to think of more...



ETA: Oh, and at one point Sherry had to tell us how she had tried to make the "Top 30 people under 30" or something like that. But I guess she failed, so now she was working on the "Top 40 under 40". Gee Sherry, will you call me when it happens? I don't think I'll be able to go on without knowing. Whatever.... :roll:

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PostJul 12, 2006#116

I feel a little encouraged about this project, but I'm still veeeery skeptical.



BTW, Scrutinizer...I'm pretty sure the "black guy named Chuck" is the owner of Casa Semplice at 10th and Locust.

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PostJul 12, 2006#117

Really, Scrutinizer, you should have just ignored her and busied yourself with the free alcohol like I did. I also figured there'd be a few forumers there, so I spent that time trying to imagine who might be who.



The $600 million dollar project to which Kevin was referring IS the MW Tower and it is also the project for which "a Wall Street firm has offered to supply 85% financing". If you are at all familiar with commercial real estate development, an 85% financing commitment for a project like this would be surprising for any project in any city, let alone St. Louis, and an extremely positive development. I am sure there are some big conditions for that kind of commitment, but it really sounds like this might be doable.



A couple of corrections: There would be 600,000 SF of office space, not 300,000 SF, of which, half is being considered by some mystery local company. I would imagine that 50% of the office space pre-leased would be enough to get the financing, provided the hotel portion falls into place. The condos will sell, no problem. I would also imagine, the financing is conditional upon some movement on Ballpark Village and/or Chouteau Lake, depending on the site chosen.



Two tidbits overheard that I'm sure will send some forumers into a frenzy:



The building would be over 1000 feet tall. That might include the HD antenna on top, but still...



And, the name of the hotel operator starts with a W... :lol:

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PostJul 12, 2006#118

jlblues wrote:And, the name of the hotel operator starts with a W... :lol:


As long as it doesn't start with a "T"!

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PostJul 12, 2006#119

Central, this is the portion of your comment that is relevent to this thread. I'll put it in bold.



Kevin McGowan could have been up there all by himself. An impressive guy. At one point he mentioned that MW would have a "major" announcement later in the Summer. The MW Tower perhaps? He also talked about Wall Street getting into the game, and how that was good for the area - it means they think this whole thing isn't a passing fad. Said something about them financing 85% of a $600 million upcoming project. Again, perhaps the tower?



Pat Shannon and a black guy (Chuck?) had the business owners perspective. (Black guy) sounds like he owns some sort of Kitchen Supply store? If so, I'll be visiting when I move down there.



Jim Cloan from Downtown STL had some good input. A lady from Nestle-Purina (Betty? It was hard to hear sometimes), didn't have a whole lot to say, but she was OK.



A few questions from the audience followed. None were terribly interesting. Someone asked about the Bottle District. Jim said that McGuire had assembled about 16 acres, and had the "developer from NC" lined up, and he felt it would be really good for that area, since it is sort of cut off from the rest of downtown by the dome and I-70.



Kevin McGowan, as might be expected, is a BIG supporter of the downtown renaissance. He says we are only this far (holds fingers about 1/2 inch apart) along on the journey.


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PostJul 12, 2006#120

Framer wrote:I feel a little encouraged about this project, but I'm still veeeery skeptical.



BTW, Scrutinizer...I'm pretty sure the "black guy named Chuck" is the owner of Casa Semplice at 10th and Locust.


You are correct sir! I think he said 10th about a block south of Wash.

PostJul 12, 2006#121

I also forgot to mention that Kevin McGowan said that Chouteau's Lake is the project he is most excited about now.

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PostJul 12, 2006#122

Interesting news! However, $600 million of a 71-story tower? Doesn't that seem expensive? I figured a 71-story tower might be $200-$300 off, but I guess I'm wrong!



Also, if 85% of the project is financed by Wall Street already, I'd almost say this thing is a lock if they sign 50% of the space from a local tenant. I hope they build this thing south of the plaza somewhere, to help balance out the skyline a little. Also - maybe it will set into motion a few more tall towers.

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PostJul 12, 2006#123

I was at the event also, and I thought the mystery project was the tower as well, since you heard that it may be 1000 feet tall did you over hear where it is supposed to be built? My guess is somewhere around the lake, Mcgowan seemed to be really excitied about that area.



The panel was good, it was shorter than I thought it would be, but I enjoyed the beer and met few new future neighbors...



I spoke with Mcgowan very briefly but he was full of excitement and energy and kept talking about the long journey ahead and that we really have only just begun transforming downtown... I thanked him for helping the transformation...

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PostJul 12, 2006#124

interesting. I wonder too what the company is. Does anyone know what big office leases might be up in the next 3 years or a local company growing fast enough that it would be looking for 300,000 of space in the near future? And no rendering still? Too bad, because I really want to know where the tower is and whether it is actualy part of a 1st phase for the Chouteau's Lake development.



All in all good info from those who attended. The comments about the BD are worrying, as it does sound like not alot has been acomplished other than picking Ghazi. Too bad, it does have some potential. Now all downtown needs is to take that next big step from rehabing warehouses to planning new development... to building new development.

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PostJul 12, 2006#125

MidcoastSTL wrote:I was at the event also, and I thought the mystery project was the tower as well, since you heard that it may be 1000 feet tall did you over hear where it is supposed to be built? My guess is somewhere around the lake, Mcgowan seemed to be really excitied about that area.



The panel was good, it was shorter than I thought it would be, but I enjoyed the beer and met few new future neighbors...



I spoke with Mcgowan very briefly but he was full of excitement and energy and kept talking about the long journey ahead and that we really have only just begun transforming downtown... I thanked him for helping the transformation...


The panel could have been longer, if someone hadn't spent 20 minutes talking about herself. :x



Anyhow, like I said above, nothing against the other guests, but I suspect I could listen to McGowan by himself all evening.



And I guess the lake is really going to happen! I wonder if he has a hand in it, or is just excited as a citizen of downtown.

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