What is the point of this discussion?newstl2020 wrote: I know your schtick on this board, but when you are actively ignoring the point of the discussion it just makes you idiotic, not ironic.
No.newstl2020 wrote:^If Stan K wants a team in StL to go with his new stadium and gives the Rapids to his son in order to go full bore at MLS brass about a team, do you honestly think they are going to stonewall him?
I think a team would draw fans. I did not know 10k season ticket pledges were signed; then why didnt it happen? Didnt some teams graduate from NASL to MLS? I doubt they are comparable in quality. I dont know how the UFL is doing.newstl2020 wrote:If there is a bonafide MLS team in StL do you really think they would not draw fans? Didn't the potential team in Collinsville have like 10K season ticket pledges signed? Do you think anyone associates NASL with MLS? Are they comparable in terms of quality at all? How's the UFL doing? Football is the most popular sport in America and it doesn't correllate AT ALL.
The Wilfs are actively trying to gain an MLS team in MN to play in their new stadium. With the facilities these teams will have and the money these NFL owners will be putting behind these potential new franchizes, do you really think they are going to tell them to get lost because they want smaller venues?
Hey man, Im exhausted and I really have no idea of the point youre trying to get across. But to sum my thoughts: Yes, I want a team here. Yes, I think it would be a success. Yes the MLS is a business; they didnt get to where they are today by not being dead set in their apparent desire to have their own venue. Bottom line, shared venues are not the best move for the MLS. They are making all the right moves and they dont need to rush into adding new teams if the situation is not ideal.newstl2020 wrote:I know that the MLS has an opperating ideal of how they want their league to be, but landscape is changing. Cities are strapped and don't want to have to pay for more stadiums. The back-lash against government funding is only growing stronger and I wouldn't want to be in the position of being the fifth tier league competing for funding for my venues. At some point in the future they might not be fifth tier, but right now they indisputably are, and if they ever want to move from this spot they are going to have to expand in big markets in ways that might not be ideal to them. Hell, it might end up being a massive blessing if they do start acheiving the levels of popularity they want. Business is fluid and the MLS is a business. They just might have to begin changing their thoughts about how they are going to continue to expand. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see this happen. Seatlle is one of the most recent expansions, plays in a larger stadium, and is a raging success. In addition, the league parlays this venue into supporting cross-promotional matches with EPL and European teams as they sell-out the extra seating.
I just don't think the MLS can afford to be so dead set in their apparent desire to have their own venue. MLB and NFL teams shared venues up until the 90's and there are some that still do! NFL and NBA share they venues. I don't think the MLS can afford to be so rigid when they are trying to get a foothold in the extremely competetive sports landscape of America where soccer in general is starting from far behind.
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^My point was that I disagree with CS that we cannot support a team and have not shown that we could, that I disagree that it would not be possible to have a MLS team in the theoretical shared venue that would be the new Rams stadium, and that I think it would definitely benefit the negotiations for the renovation of the EJD if Stan began to actively pursue another full-time revenue generating business for the new facility.
There. Summed up nicely
There. Summed up nicely
To build on Beer City's original question: Do people think Stan would float the idea of building an MLS stadium out of pocket as part of negotiations? Would people care, or would they think of it as another Kiel Opera House, Ballpark Village type of pie in the sky promise?
^ No, No and No. Stan K made his fortunes building Walmart stores and look how that happens. There is a lot of government subsidies and tax dollars involved.
St. Louis PD posted a good AP story about the fight for business between Kansas and Missouri on the other side of the state. It noted the $140 million of bonds Kansas was willing to float for a new MLS stadium. That is why there is a KC MLS team and not a St. Louis team.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/a ... 4e47a.html
Nearby is a new, 18,500-seat stadium for the Major League Soccer team Sporting Kansas City, built with $145 million in bonds after Kansas lured the franchise away from the Missouri side. Also in the neighborhood is a new office complex for Cerner Corp., a medical computer systems firm that employs about 5,500 people on the Missouri side and planned to expand. Missouri and Kansas offered nearly equal incentives of about $85 million for Cerner's expansion, which is projected to employ an additional 4,000.
Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/a ... z1v949JvBE
St. Louis PD posted a good AP story about the fight for business between Kansas and Missouri on the other side of the state. It noted the $140 million of bonds Kansas was willing to float for a new MLS stadium. That is why there is a KC MLS team and not a St. Louis team.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/a ... 4e47a.html
Nearby is a new, 18,500-seat stadium for the Major League Soccer team Sporting Kansas City, built with $145 million in bonds after Kansas lured the franchise away from the Missouri side. Also in the neighborhood is a new office complex for Cerner Corp., a medical computer systems firm that employs about 5,500 people on the Missouri side and planned to expand. Missouri and Kansas offered nearly equal incentives of about $85 million for Cerner's expansion, which is projected to employ an additional 4,000.
Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/a ... z1v949JvBE
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MLS shouldn't be our focus here.
Say the Jones Dome gets rebuilt as per the Rams' proposal. The new field would be big enough for professional soccer as per the global standards. With the Rams heading to London for the next 3 years, we should be anticipating European Soccer coming to the US.
If London gets the Rams vs. Patriots, is it reasonable to think STL could host Arsenal vs. Man U?
Say the Jones Dome gets rebuilt as per the Rams' proposal. The new field would be big enough for professional soccer as per the global standards. With the Rams heading to London for the next 3 years, we should be anticipating European Soccer coming to the US.
If London gets the Rams vs. Patriots, is it reasonable to think STL could host Arsenal vs. Man U?
^ Sure, sounds great. But how many games per year can we reasonably expect to host? 1, maybe 2? European soccer doesn't seem to make the economics of a new dome any better.
Some interesting developments have been unfolding with the NASL and possible expansion.
Now NASL commish Downs says St. Louis is targeted for 2014 (potentially)
http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2012/05/3 ... -on-track/
Ownership not identified
Now NASL commish Downs says St. Louis is targeted for 2014 (potentially)
http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2012/05/3 ... -on-track/
Ownership not identified
Earlier this year it was revealed that a group of local soccer enthusiasts had put together a group to promote the idea of a higher division team coming to St. Louis.
They now have a website-
http://www.stlsocceralliance.com/
They now have a website-
http://www.stlsocceralliance.com/
Related but at the same time not:
Market and Feasibility Study - Middle America Soccer Complex RFQ
St. Louis County Economic Council is seeking a qualified firm(s) to research, analyze and prepare a market and feasibility study for a proposed Middle America Soccer Complex to be located in or near Creve Coeur Park.
Description:
The soccer complex, as currently contemplated, could include the following elements:
• 13 full-sized, artificial turf, heated, lighted fields
• 2 small fields (for use by kids and for warm-ups, practice, etc.)
• Building(s) – field-house, lockers, concessions, restrooms, etc.
• Sufficient surface parking
It is anticipated that the soccer complex will serve not only the St. Louis area but also a larger
approximately 300 mile radius that may include surrounding states such as Illinois, Indiana,
Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, and Wisconsin.
Link: http://www.slcec.com/cmss_files/attachm ... 206-12.pdf
Market and Feasibility Study - Middle America Soccer Complex RFQ
St. Louis County Economic Council is seeking a qualified firm(s) to research, analyze and prepare a market and feasibility study for a proposed Middle America Soccer Complex to be located in or near Creve Coeur Park.
Description:
The soccer complex, as currently contemplated, could include the following elements:
• 13 full-sized, artificial turf, heated, lighted fields
• 2 small fields (for use by kids and for warm-ups, practice, etc.)
• Building(s) – field-house, lockers, concessions, restrooms, etc.
• Sufficient surface parking
It is anticipated that the soccer complex will serve not only the St. Louis area but also a larger
approximately 300 mile radius that may include surrounding states such as Illinois, Indiana,
Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, and Wisconsin.
Link: http://www.slcec.com/cmss_files/attachm ... 206-12.pdf
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Not that this is a huge deal, but at least St. Louis was mentioned by MLS Commissioner Don Garber, when talking about expansion.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2 ... twitter-qa
^Somebody needs to tell Mr. Garber that we in St. Louis, have never lost interest in MLS!
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2 ... eading-mls
7. CHELSEA vs. MAN. CITY IN ST. LOUIS SELLS OUT … IN 20 MINS.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2 ... twitter-qa
^Somebody needs to tell Mr. Garber that we in St. Louis, have never lost interest in MLS!
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2 ... eading-mls
7. CHELSEA vs. MAN. CITY IN ST. LOUIS SELLS OUT … IN 20 MINS.
So we know St. Louis has long been touted as a hotbed for soccer in the US, maybe this proves it. Just 20 minutes after releasing tickets for the friendly between Manchester City and Chelsea at Busch Stadium on May 23, the game sold out. A crowd of nearly 47,000 will cram into the home of the St. Louis Cardinals. Manchester City's Tom Glick said: “We believe in US soccer and we know how much passion the fans in North America have for the beautiful game.”
He's not talking about interest from the consumer. He's talking about interest from an owner who has the wherewithal to purchase a franchise as well as getting a stadium built.DogtownBnR wrote:Not that this is a huge deal, but at least St. Louis was mentioned by MLS Commissioner Don Garber, when talking about expansion.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2 ... twitter-qa
^Somebody needs to tell Mr. Garber that we in St. Louis, have never lost interest in MLS!
And there's interest...we'll know more in due time. Keep the positivity.
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Do you know something we don't know or are you just being positive?
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^There are reasons to be positive, but no news to share. Sorry to be so vague. Best we can do as individuals is to keep letting MLS know that STL has many people who are serious soccer fans and very much want professional soccer here while prospective ownership is courted/vetted.
We'll see what starts rolling after the proper people see Busch crammed for the "friendly" later this month.gone corporate wrote:^There are reasons to be positive, but no news to share. Sorry to be so vague. Best we can do as individuals is to keep letting MLS know that STL has many people who are serious soccer fans and very much want professional soccer here while prospective ownership is courted/vetted.
Still amazed to see standing room and nosebleed seats priced in the mid $100's on ticket resale sites.
MLS announces NYCFC - second team in New York - will be owned by Man City who is stopping over in NYC before going to STL -
Tickets still available for the Chelsea Man City game in Yankee Stadium - STL sold out in 20 mins
Fruther proof that if Garber wants a team somewhere he will find an owner
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2 ... y-football
Tickets still available for the Chelsea Man City game in Yankee Stadium - STL sold out in 20 mins
Fruther proof that if Garber wants a team somewhere he will find an owner
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2 ... y-football
Now if only we could get the Cardinals, Kronke, and Arsenal to do something similar.
As of right now (Tuesday lunch time) Stubhub.com shows:
-standing room only tickets reselling around $100/each
-nosebleeds starting around $120/each
-box seats (100 section) starting around $200/each
-standing room only tickets reselling around $100/each
-nosebleeds starting around $120/each
-box seats (100 section) starting around $200/each
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I can't wait. I'll be the intoxicated hooligan in section 237!
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MLS Commissioner Don Garber said the league is moving towards another expansion (maybe even beyond 20 teams) at a recent interview in Kansas City.
Hope St. Louis is on their radar...and more importantly, some big spenders are ready to step up to the plate and build a stadium.
Hope St. Louis is on their radar...and more importantly, some big spenders are ready to step up to the plate and build a stadium.
^ That's really encouraging! The Rams should be sorted out by then and it will be on to "the next big thing" in St. Louis sports. The 2020 timeframe will position our fair city nicely, I suspect.
ughh.
Insiders say that MLS want to greatly expand its southern footprint Candidates include Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, Raleigh, Charlotte, San Antonio and Nashville has also been mentioned.
I would fully expect that 3 of the 4 available spots will go to the South-
Locks-
Miami (Becks as owner, MLS failed once here)
Orlando - have put a lot into campaigning for a team
Good Shot-
San Antonio - civic leadership has put a lot into trying to get a team - Drawback - do you really want 3 teams in Texas?
everyone else in the south is a dark horse, Atlanta and Charlotte have proven to be difficult markets, Raleigh might not be MLS's cup of tea anymore, Nashville does not have a whole lot of momentum.
The Midwest, - currently there are 3 teams - a fourth is almost required to balance the travel schedules
Candidates - Minneapolis, Detroit, Indy, St. Louis
Minne is, most likely, getting a new stadium, built for soccer and football, they are the front runner.
Detroit - is a mess, the bankruptcy is going to be tough for them
Indy - Do not know much about their efforts, But it seems that their name keeps coming up.
and StL - great fan base, American birthplace of the game, once an expansion darling, now relegated (no pun intended) to dark horse hopeful. We have one decent shot - Stan - who is a man who keeps his intentions to himself, after not making a sound rode in at 11:59 to exercise his right of first refusal on the Rams taking it away from Khan. Our best hope for MLS lies in the future of the Rams, if there is one.
Other StL ownership groups could rise, but if they are out there they are really quiet.
My best guess -
2017 - Miami and Orlando
2020 - San Antonio and ....Minne or StL - most likely Minne at this point
Insiders say that MLS want to greatly expand its southern footprint Candidates include Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, Raleigh, Charlotte, San Antonio and Nashville has also been mentioned.
I would fully expect that 3 of the 4 available spots will go to the South-
Locks-
Miami (Becks as owner, MLS failed once here)
Orlando - have put a lot into campaigning for a team
Good Shot-
San Antonio - civic leadership has put a lot into trying to get a team - Drawback - do you really want 3 teams in Texas?
everyone else in the south is a dark horse, Atlanta and Charlotte have proven to be difficult markets, Raleigh might not be MLS's cup of tea anymore, Nashville does not have a whole lot of momentum.
The Midwest, - currently there are 3 teams - a fourth is almost required to balance the travel schedules
Candidates - Minneapolis, Detroit, Indy, St. Louis
Minne is, most likely, getting a new stadium, built for soccer and football, they are the front runner.
Detroit - is a mess, the bankruptcy is going to be tough for them
Indy - Do not know much about their efforts, But it seems that their name keeps coming up.
and StL - great fan base, American birthplace of the game, once an expansion darling, now relegated (no pun intended) to dark horse hopeful. We have one decent shot - Stan - who is a man who keeps his intentions to himself, after not making a sound rode in at 11:59 to exercise his right of first refusal on the Rams taking it away from Khan. Our best hope for MLS lies in the future of the Rams, if there is one.
Other StL ownership groups could rise, but if they are out there they are really quiet.
My best guess -
2017 - Miami and Orlando
2020 - San Antonio and ....Minne or StL - most likely Minne at this point
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^Other potential owners exist in STL... And not that Cooper guy in Collinsville.
Agree that STL Rams' future home is a key element, but it's not all beholden on Stan Kroenke.
Agree that STL Rams' future home is a key element, but it's not all beholden on Stan Kroenke.