738
Senior MemberSenior Member
738

PostFeb 04, 2017#101

“A decade after the U.S. housing market collapsed, Federal Reserve officials are watching rising apartment towers as the next potential asset-price bubble, which could add to the debate about the pace of interest-rate hikes this year.
http://www.bloombergquint.com/global-ec ... s-17-risks

21
New MemberNew Member
21

PostFeb 04, 2017#102

hebeters2 wrote:
Feb 04, 2017
“A decade after the U.S. housing market collapsed, Federal Reserve officials are watching rising apartment towers as the next potential asset-price bubble, which could add to the debate about the pace of interest-rate hikes this year.
http://www.bloombergquint.com/global-ec ... s-17-risks
Good article albeit as usual the Fed has carefully chosen its' words. This has been a concern of mine for quite some time. While I love the developments being built in the central corridor. . . many have grown concerned with the possible glut of apartments as a percentage of commercial residential developments. Over 2000 apartments have been built with a few years without a significant population or employment growth in our region. I realize that much of the development is centered around the institutions (SLU, Wash U, etc.) and exciting innovation hubs like Cortex. However, developers are testing the limits of the rental market. Hopefully, the condominium market strengthens so as to absorbs some of the rental units that are able to be converted to condos. I fear the pendulum has drifted toward apartments because lending is far easier to secure within the commercial apartment market than in building for sale condominiums, etc. This issue isn't mentioned in the article and likely won't be resolved with Fed interest rate hikes alone.

11K
Life MemberLife Member
11K

PostFeb 04, 2017#103

I think it's interesting to consider the local impact of a building glut...I'd argue that a neighborhood like the CWE benefits from a building boom, whether or not investors profit, if rents dip a bit, a building has vacant units, etc. The city and neighborhood get an asset that is likely to stand for 50+ years. In general, I think St. Louis needs to get in on the boom/bust cycle a little more.

5,705
Life MemberLife Member
5,705

PostFeb 04, 2017#104

Alex Ihnen wrote:
Feb 04, 2017
I think it's interesting to consider the local impact of a building glut...I'd argue that a neighborhood like the CWE benefits from a building boom, whether or not investors profit, if rents dip a bit, a building has vacant units, etc. The city and neighborhood get an asset that is likely to stand for 50+ years. In general, I think St. Louis needs to get in on the boom/bust cycle a little more.
Nice comments, I would say St Louis hasn't been anywhere close to the building that has been happening in a lot of big metro areas. A good indication is rents for the area which have consistently trending on slow upward growth if not mistaken. So some extra units might not hurt the market and help the consumers if it levels off prices & adds a little competition. Not too mention Alex comments, One hundred is a +50 year asset.

My worry is you got a couple good proposals in One Hundred and finally a decent BPV phase that need to break ground as they will benefit the region/central corridor as a whole. Otherwise, that leaves all high new rise construction in Clayton. Not bad for Clayton CBD but for the region as a whole having it spread along the central corridor is a better outcome IMO. Now if Koplar/Koman/Clayco can move forward also

2,426
Life MemberLife Member
2,426

PostFeb 07, 2017#105

I attended the public meeting last night at the Schlafly Library. There were probably about 70 people in attendance, and I'm happy to report that the overall support of the project was overwhelming. In fact, not a single person said they are against the project. The main concern seems to be in regards to increased traffic and pedestrian safety in the alley. Representatives of the project pledged to address those issues to mitigate the increased traffic as best they can and offered to meet with representatives of the St. Regis, the Del Coronado and any other residential buildings in the vicinity.

An older gentleman said he is excited to see new development on the lot, but felt that the design of the tower was "jarring" and doesn't respect its surroundings. He also questioned the need for tax abatement given its highly desirable location (project financing was not discussed last night- the purpose of the meeting was specifically about the development itself).

An older woman asked why the building has to be so tall, and wished it could be a few floors shorter. She said it's just too tall. But she wasn't combative or angry, she was just expressing her personal opinion.

Aside from that, all the comments were supportive of the tower as long as the alley concerns were properly addressed. An architect from Studio Gang also discussed the earlier concerns regarding sun rays scorching cars, etc. and everyone seemed satisfied with her explanation (in short, the design of the building will not create issues with heat or overexposure to sunlight).

If everything gets green-lighted as it appears it will, the developer plans to break ground in the 4th quarter of 2017! This year! Construction would take 21-24 months, opening in early 2019. Very exciting!

12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostFeb 07, 2017#106

Nice; thanks for the report.

3,766
Life MemberLife Member
3,766

PostFeb 07, 2017#107

Great to hear that most are in favor and the NIMBYS stayed home! Thanks for the update, great news!

2,426
Life MemberLife Member
2,426

PostMar 14, 2017#108

Any updates on this? What's the latest?

1,054
Expert MemberExpert Member
1,054

PostMar 14, 2017#109

stlgasm wrote:Any updates on this? What's the latest?
I think everything is moving ahead as planned


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

PostApr 06, 2017#110

Do we have a timeline for this project?

12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostApr 06, 2017#111

"If everything gets green-lighted as it appears it will, the developer plans to break ground in the 4th quarter of 2017! This year! Construction would take 21-24 months, opening in early 2019. Very exciting!"

-stlgasm quoted from above.

1,864
Never Logs OffNever Logs Off
1,864

PostMay 07, 2017#112

It's been about a month since someone asked... but any update on this one? Still moving forward?

11K
Life MemberLife Member
11K

PostMay 08, 2017#113

Still moving forward.

And I haven't been keeping up with everything on this one, but in case no one else has shared the story...I was told that the developer had planned to build without incentives. They were moving forward and a local lawyer called them and said, "ahem, Ahem, AHEM...they give out free money in St. Louis!" And thus the request for subsidy was born.

1,864
Never Logs OffNever Logs Off
1,864

PostMay 09, 2017#114

Good to know. Not quite sure what they're asking for, but we know they can build without incentives. At the very worst, demand more height and low income units in return for some bare minimum tax incentives.

5,261
Life MemberLife Member
5,261

PostMay 09, 2017#115


1,518
Totally AddictedTotally Addicted
1,518

PostMay 09, 2017#116

from reading a few comments above it looks like some are anxious about this one - Given the complexity and size of this project, and the realities of the St. Louis market - i think it is moving pretty quickly actually - Hopefully pushing dirt by fall

249
Junior MemberJunior Member
249

PostMay 11, 2017#117

Alex Ihnen wrote:Still moving forward.

And I haven't been keeping up with everything on this one, but in case no one else has shared the story...I was told that the developer had planned to build without incentives. They were moving forward and a local lawyer called them and said, "ahem, Ahem, AHEM...they give out free money in St. Louis!" And thus the request for subsidy was born.
They have asked for a 90% tax abatement for 10 years, and then a 50% tax abatement for 5 years.

I believe an additional request was made for a rebate of sales tax on all construction materials purchased.

Don't know who the law firm mentioned above is, but it would not surprise me if that did happen.

12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostMay 11, 2017#118

andrewarkills wrote:
May 11, 2017
I believe an additional request was made for a rebate of sales tax on all construction materials purchased.

I once did a very large framing job for a law firm's new space downtown, and one of their perks was that they paid no sales tax on any of the new artwork or the framing thereof. All of these types of line-items add up to big dollars in lost revenue.

1,610
Totally AddictedTotally Addicted
1,610

PostMay 11, 2017#119

framer wrote:
May 11, 2017
andrewarkills wrote:
May 11, 2017
I believe an additional request was made for a rebate of sales tax on all construction materials purchased.

I once did a very large framing job for a law firm's new space downtown, and one of their perks was that they paid no sales tax on any of the new artwork or the framing thereof. All of these types of line-items add up to big dollars in lost revenue.
Your screen name makes sense now.

5,705
Life MemberLife Member
5,705

PostJun 16, 2017#120

Looks like the project looking for some help with revenue bonds as per biz journal article. Behind pay wall so I'm not much help

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... llion.html

8,910
Life MemberLife Member
8,910

PostJun 19, 2017#121

dredger wrote:Looks like the project looking for some help with revenue bonds as per biz journal article. Behind pay wall so I'm not much help

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... llion.html
Below is what they're asking for in addition to the $10million in subsidies. The LCRA board is meeting tomorrow to discuss.

"According to city documents, New Jersey-based Mac Properties is requesting the city’s Land Clearance Redevelopment Authority issue $118 million in taxable industrial revenue bonds to facilitate the sales tax exemption on the construction materials for the project."

3,762
Life MemberLife Member
3,762

PostJun 19, 2017#122

^ Not sure what to think about that.

Here's what Wikipedia says about Industrial Revenue Bonds:

An industrial revenue bond (IRB) is a unique type of revenue bond organized by a state or local government. The bond issue is sponsored by a government entity but the proceeds are directed to a private, for-profit business.

An IRB differs from traditional government revenue bonds as the bonds are issued on behalf of a private sector business. IRBs are typically used to support a specific project, such as a new manufacturing facility.

The bond issue is created and organized by a sponsoring government, with the proceeds used by the private business. The business is responsible for bond repayment. The sponsoring government holds title to the underlying collateral until the bonds are paid in full. In some cases, this arrangement may provide a federal tax exempt status to the bonds, and many times a property tax exemption on the collateral. The sponsoring government is not responsible for bond repayment and the bonds do not affect the government’s credit rating. IRBs are desired as the private business receives a lower interest rate (due to the bonds tax-exempt status), a property tax exemption, and a long-term, fixed rate financing package. [1]

Bond proceeds may be used for a variety of purposes, including land acquisition, building construction, machinery and equipment, real estate development fees, and the cost of bond issuance.[2]
Also not sure what this condo building has to do with industrial revenue.

12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostJun 20, 2017#123

So should we take this as an encouraging sign of progress, or a troubling sign of financial difficulties?

1,054
Expert MemberExpert Member
1,054

PostJun 20, 2017#124

framer wrote:So should we take this as an encouraging sign of progress, or a troubling sign of financial difficulties?
A sign of progress IMO.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

4,553
Life MemberLife Member
4,553

PostJun 20, 2017#125

^^I'd say neither. Just the developers and their lawyers seeing how much they can get away with, testing the waters to see if they can get the bonds backed, because why not? Lawyers get more fees and the developer gets a shot at a lower overall blended rate on their borrowings. Makes sense from their perspective, although it seems potentially politically unpalatable though.

As much as we love them on this site, I get the sense in general that people - and certainly St. Louis City politicians - aren't chomping at the bit for more luxury high rise apartment buildings and certainly not government involvement therein.

Read more posts (1299 remaining)