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PostNov 21, 2006#26

They'd be silly to open when 40 is under construction. I wonder what happens if Galleria goes downhill in the interim, though, as others have predicted.



I don't understand the Post's banner that the old L&T space will be demolished and the contradictory statement in the last paragraph of the article that the L&T store will be "converted into two new restaurants and several shops" in 2007. Which is it?
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PostNov 21, 2006#27

I don't understand the Post's banner that the old L&T space will be demolished and the contradictory statement in the last paragraph of the article that the L&T store will be "converted into two new restaurants and several shops" in 2007. Which is it?


There talking about the old Lord and Taylor space at West County Mall being converted into new restaurants and shops.
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PostNov 21, 2006#28

St.Louis UAB alumni wrote:


2010?? Damn.
It is quite consistent for Nordstrom to announce new stores years in advance. Nordstrom doesn't want to fall victim of growing too fast.



Check out Nordstorm Store Openings
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PostNov 21, 2006#29

can someone bring me up to speed about the "rumored" expansion? Where on the property, details?
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PostNov 21, 2006#30

^There are two expansions:



Westfield's West County Center: I understand that they will tear down or convert the former L&T space into new shops and restaurants.



General Growth's St. Louis Galleria: I think GGP will convert or tear down the L&T site into a new Nordstrom and build additional restaurants, shops, and entertainment.



Maybe others could clarify, but this is my understanding.
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PostNov 21, 2006#31

^thanks...I'm up to date on the Westfield one, I saw the plans when I went to CPK...but i'm more interested in the rumored/possible galleria expansion...???

PostNov 21, 2006#32

Nordstrom moving to the Galleri

By Gail Appleson

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

11/21/2006





Nordstrom Inc. said Monday that it has agreed to open a store in the St. Louis Galleria in 2010, giving the mall a prestigious anchor that appeals to more-affluent shoppers.



The announcement puts to rest months of speculation that the upscale retailer was serious about taking the space in the Richmond Heights mall that was once the Lord & Taylor store. The mall's other anchors are Macy's and Dillard's.



Seattle-based Nordstrom also operates a store in Westfield West County Mall in Des Peres. Although there have been rumors that Nordstrom might close that location when it moves into the Galleria, the retailer said it planned to stay.



"We have no plans to close our store in West County," said Deniz Anders, a Nordstrom spokeswoman. "It is not unusual for us to have several stores in close proximity." Advertisement



She said the store opening is several years away because Nord­strom plans to demolish the existing structure and build anew. The new store will have 140,000 square feet, Anders said, making it an average-sized Nordstrom store. The former Lord & Taylor store had 115,000 square feet of space.



Anders would not comment on whether Nordstrom bought or is leasing the site of the new store.



The retailer's announcement covers agreements it reached with General Growth Properties Inc., owner of the Galleria, to open three new stores nationwide. The other two are in Newark, Del., and Cincinnati.



"This is a great opportunity for General Growth and Nordstrom to work together in creating an unparalleled lineup of retail in these markets," John Bucksbaum, chief executive of General Growth, said in a statement.



General Growth is the second-largest U.S.-based publicly traded real estate investment trust. It has an ownership interest in or management responsibility for a more than 200 shopping centers in 44 states.



Nordstrom has 156 stores in 27 states. Founded in 1901 as a shoe store in Seattle, today Nordstrom operates 99 full-line stores, 49 Nordstrom Racks, five Faconnable boutiques in the United States, one free-standing shoe store, and two clearance stores. Nordstrom also operates 35 Faconnable boutiques in Europe.



The Galleria space that will house Nordstrom opened as a Lord & Taylor in 1991. The Lord & Taylor stores in the Galleria and West County malls were closed by Federated Department Stores Inc., after it acquired the former parent company, May Department Stores Co. Federated said the two St. Louis-area Lord & Taylor stores were under-performing.



Westfield Group, which owns the West County Mall, has announced that the Lord & Taylor space would be converted into two new restaurants and several shops. Westfield plans to complete the project in time for the 2007 holiday shopping season





http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busine ... enDocument
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PostDec 04, 2006#33

No plans have been submitted but Nordstrom's people are already at work here.



Federated will not be out done. I hear rumors of similar announcements coming January 2007 but I don't know what stores Federated might want to bring here.
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PostDec 04, 2006#34

The only thing Federated owns besides Macy's is Bloomingdales which they have said would not be coming to St. Louis anytime soon. But why would Federated sell the Lord and Taylor building and then be upset when Nordstrom announces its opening there? They had to know that an upscale department store would be very interested in the spot.
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PostDec 04, 2006#35

^ Yeah the only thing for Federated to bring is a Bloomingdales. I know the have stated that Bloomingdales is too "up market" or whatever for St. Louis, but St. Louis with its concentration of other pricey clothing stores (Saks, Nieman Marcus, Nordstroms) seems too me like it would be able to support a Bloomingdales. Either way, it would be good news to add one to the region and even better if it was located at the Galleria. Maybe it will be a part of the Galleria's much rummored major expansion.
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PostDec 05, 2006#36

bpe235 wrote:^thanks...I'm up to date on the Westfield one, I saw the plans when I went to CPK...but i'm more interested in the rumored/possible galleria expansion...???


General Growth was working on a plan with an architect a few years ago to build out the surface parking lot to the south and the perimeter of the Galleria. I don't know what was all included, but I do know that General Growth is repositioning many of its malls to better compete with the "lifestyle centers" popping up everywhere. Of course, since then, Federated bought May and sold the L&T building, so that may have caused them to adjust their plans significantly, not to mention that Federated is now the major tenant in many dozens, if not hundreds, of General Growth's malls.
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PostDec 05, 2006#37

^ Well then important question would be whether Federated supports the General Growth plan to make their malls more like "lifestyle centers?"
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PostDec 05, 2006#38

Bloomingdales last flagship store was over 300,000 sq ft. That's twice the size of the L & T space. I also hear the GGP project on the south lot will not include residential or office space. But I'm not beleiving any of this til I hear an announcement.
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PostDec 06, 2006#39

JMedwick wrote:^ Well then important question would be whether Federated supports the General Growth plan to make their malls more like "lifestyle centers?"


I just wish that new project on the south lot of the Galleria blocks the view of M**y's from highway 40. I can't stand this store and its painful to see it everytime I driveby. I wish it was still Famous Barr and I still wish I had my job at May Dept Stores corporate. :(



I would rather see a Von Maur come to town than another Nordstroms. I have to drive upto Bloomington-Normal for the closest Von Maur. IMO its a really nice store, customer service there is superb, they are even willing to ship the items you buy to your home free of charge! Although, Nordstroms is nice and friendly, but too pricey for me now, I wait till their anniversary sales! :)



At least both stores treat their customers better than M**y's.
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PostDec 06, 2006#40

It stands to reason that if Federated was serious about bringing Bloomingdale's to St. Louis that they would have kept either the Galleria or West County L&T building. Even if they weren't ready to open a new store for a couple of years, this would have to be significantly cheaper than developing construction plans for a new site. (Mind you, I always thought the Galleria L&T was crippled by its small size).



Of course, if Bloomingdales' is truly supposed to be upscale -- ie they don't care about middle class window shoppers and only want serious affluent customers -- then there's no reason they couldn't build at Frontenac, instead.
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PostDec 10, 2006#41

The Saint Louis Galleria in St. Louis is the location of a new, 140,000-square-foot Nordstrom store due to open in spring 2010. It will be built in the previous Lord & Taylor location.



Of the St. Louis market, Pete Nordstrom, president of merchandising for Nordstrom said: "Essentially we went into that market a few years ago at West County and it's a good market to be in. We took the opportunity that was available to us at the time. One of our goals with our real estate strategy is to be in the best centers in the country, and St. Louis Galleria would probably rank up there in one of the better centers in the country. And we just figured now that we had that opportunity to get in there that we really should."



Pete Nordstrom said the company was repeating its experience from when it entered the Dallas market.



There, he said, "we went to the Galleria Mall first and working our way into NorthPark later when that opportunity became available. I think if all things had been equal, we probably would have gone to NorthPark first."



"In the Saint Louis opportunity if we had the option of being in any mall there, we might have gone to [St. Louis Galleria] first," Pete Nordstrom added. "I mean that being said, we believe there's plenty of opportunity for us to have two stores in that market.


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PUBLIC HEARING: PETITION #2007-16: Saint Louis Galleria LLC; Saint Louis Galleria Anchor Acquisitions LLC; and St. Louis Land LLC, Ed Ross A.I.A. seeking an amendment to the Final Development Plan to allow site modifications to the parking area, east side of the Galleria to permit the future construction of a Nordstrom’s store. Also seeking amendment to permit a 4 level, 90 foot extension to the south end of the existing parking garage. Further seeking a boundary adjustment for property located south of Clayton Road, west of Brentwood Boulevard, north of Highway 40/64 and east of Berkshire subdivision.



http://www.richmondheights.org/archives ... Agenda.pdf
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PostSep 20, 2007#43

^ I would only question the "90-foot extension" of the existing parking structure. Why not extend this 200+ feet to provide more parking and begin building on some more of the surface lots?
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PostSep 20, 2007#44

I think the 90 foot extension is as far as they can go because of the creek that lays on the southern end of the Galleria property.
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PostSep 23, 2007#45

does that mean the land around the creek will finally see the Galleria expand and add new stores?



any news?
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PostNov 22, 2007#46

I doubt they'll add stores, the Galleria seems to be fine now...Who knows anything could be in the works. If I recall correctly, in the late 1990s they proposed expanding the mall and plans failed to materialize.
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PostNov 26, 2007#47

Tysalpha wrote:It stands to reason that if Federated was serious about bringing Bloomingdale's to St. Louis that they would have kept either the Galleria or West County L&T building. Even if they weren't ready to open a new store for a couple of years, this would have to be significantly cheaper than developing construction plans for a new site. (Mind you, I always thought the Galleria L&T was crippled by its small size).



Of course, if Bloomingdales' is truly supposed to be upscale -- ie they don't care about middle class window shoppers and only want serious affluent customers -- then there's no reason they couldn't build at Frontenac, instead.


I doubt we'll see a Bloomie's in the St. Louis area any time soon if ever. Once the store had settled into the typical markets (NY, LA, Chicago, Miami, Philadelphia, DC) it has been wan to offer stores in many typically upscale markets like Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, among a few. It took years and years to get a store in San Francisco (there was one in Palo Alto) while they've yet to build a full store in Las Vegas. The Mall of America store reportedly has its bags packed for 2012 when its contract is up even though the mall is giving them all sorts of concessions.



Besides, St. Louis high-end tastes don't jive totally with Bloomingdale's target market. There are plenty of moneyed old women and power-suit men to support Nieman and Saks and scads of tweens to keep Abercrombie-esque chains very healthy. And Nordstrom seems to handle enough of the volume for trendy yuppie clothing. But for a city that can hardly keep a handful of edgy boutiques with newer, logo-free designers afloat, a Bloomingdale's would ultimately not find its market. Even with a large metro population, a store like Bloomingdale's looks for cities with more of an urban atmosphere: i.e. not St. Louis.
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PostNov 26, 2007#48

^ For someone who has shopped in a Bloomingdale's (the wife and I usually at least stroll through it when at the mall) I think what you say is a load of crap. The styles and prices at Bloomies is defiantly something St. Louis can support.
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PostNov 28, 2007#49

I think of St. Louis as being somewhat trendy. Ok, it's not the east or west coast, but overall I think we could support it. Sure, there are like 10 Talbot's stores at Frontenac and every little hoosh in town still loves Abercrombie, but I think St. Louis has an edge that could support more trendy stores, ie Bloomingdales, etc.
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PostNov 28, 2007#50

I dont know what swuss is talking about but the girls I grew up with/socialized with had new designer handbags and clothes every month. And I went to Kirkwood hs NOT MICDS or Burroughs. There are lots of rich upper/middle class people in STL who would support stores like that. Heck, Downtown will be able to support stores like this in 10 years. Maybe less. [/i]
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