In a memo to members of the Partnership for Downtown STL, this was mentioned:
The new parking garage at Tucker and Clark developed by the Treasurer’s Office is open for public parking. A restaurant will soon be opening in the ground floor space.
Anyone hear anything about this supposed "restaurant"?
The new parking garage at Tucker and Clark developed by the Treasurer’s Office is open for public parking. A restaurant will soon be opening in the ground floor space.
Anyone hear anything about this supposed "restaurant"?
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I have not heard anything about the restaraunt. But, i do like the marquee with the STL pictures on the garage. It adds something to the area and makes the garage stand out a little. 
Does it have sound? I was stopped at Clark St. and I couldn't figure out where the music was coming from until I looked up and saw the video tour of Stl
Has it already been brought up that the retail in this garage is the ideal location for a 7-Eleven? The location on 17th street is an inconvenient relic of a different era. This would be the perfect spot for a nice new conveniently located 7-11 that would get a ton of business from police, legal, and municipal workers. Also it couldn't hurt that it's a stones throw from Busch, Scottrade, and the Gateway Transit Center.
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Wabash wrote:Has it already been brought up that the retail in this garage is the ideal location for a 7-Eleven? The location on 17th street is an inconvenient relic of a different era. This would be the perfect spot for a nice new conveniently located 7-11 that would get a ton of business from police, legal, and municipal workers. Also it couldn't hurt that it's a stones throw from Busch, Scottrade, and the Gateway Transit Center.
Not to mention SLPD HQ.
DeBaliviere wrote:Not to mention SLPD HQ.
Maybe we can get the Drive-In Doughnut shop to open a second location there.
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Dusting off an old thread here to see if any more information exists about the street-level retail in this garage? As it sits, the project looks incomplete and incongruous. They could screen that lower area inexpensively, if nothing else.
It was bad enough that they never installed the ground floor windows, now it appears they are boarding the ground floor up with plywood. Unaccepatable.
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That's depressing. I saw that on my way to work this morning. I was hoping it meant retail (or anything) was going into that spot.
This is what you get with unaccountable haphazard planning or really a complete lack of it at all. The Justice Centre Garage was supposed to spur retail activity and general economic development in this area and ease parking problems which are insurmountable. Ignore that both of these statements which the Treasurer's Office made were false.
Who would want to rent space in a ground floor which was never even built out? What kind of marketing were they doing by not finishing the interior? Maybe they were waiting for higher rents in order to pay off their bonds?
Who would want to rent space in a ground floor which was never even built out? What kind of marketing were they doing by not finishing the interior? Maybe they were waiting for higher rents in order to pay off their bonds?
The boards are down and it looks like there may be activity here. Anyone know if this space is getting occupied with something?
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For God's sake, I hope we elect a new treasurer next time around!doug wrote:This is what you get with unaccountable haphazard planning or really a complete lack of it at all.
another parking garage? Did I miss something? Can we just build a giant underground parking garage and finish it all.
My thoughts exactly.xing wrote:Can we just build a giant underground parking garage and finish it all.
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Before the sculpture garden was built, and before keiner plaza gets redeveloped, they should have dug up the entire 4-5 blocks and built a giant underground parking garage, ala Chicago under Millenium Park. Too late now.the count wrote:My thoughts exactly.xing wrote:Can we just build a giant underground parking garage and finish it all.
This is Exhibit A of why St. Louis should never just trust that the Great White Fathers will keep incrementally improving their debacles "at a future date." (See also: Arch project.)the central scrutinizer wrote:Before the sculpture garden was built, and before keiner plaza gets redeveloped, they should have dug up the entire 4-5 blocks and built a giant underground parking garage, ala Chicago under Millenium Park. Too late now.
Anyway, there was a plan to put parking over there. Wait, not just a plan, but a promise, complete with money kicked in from the state, money that had to come back out of a future (at least future as of the 1980s) government's budget. Another history lesson, from a P-D article from 1999:
ST. LOUIS MUST PAY BACK OLD DEBT OVER A PARKING GARAGE IT NEVER BUILT
By Kim Bell Of The Post-Dispatch
In 1993, the city got state tax credits to help finance an underground garage downtown. It now must pay back about $3.6 million.
St. Louis never followed through with an idea in 1993 to build an underground parking garage as part of the Gateway Mall, the stretch of green space downtown between Market and Chestnut streets. So on Friday, the Board of Aldermen agreed to pay a $2.7 million promissory note to the Missouri Development Finance Board because the city defaulted on its plan.
Aldermanic President Francis Slay said that with interest, the $2.7 million promissory note from six years ago had grown to $3.6 million.
"The ball was either dropped or the plan for the garage was shelved, " Slay said in an interview.
Mike Jones, Mayor Clarence Harmon's deputy mayor for development, said the idea for a 600-space underground garage was finalized hastily in 1993 by then-Mayor Vincent C. Schoemehl Jr. in the final days of his administration.
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Jones said the cost to build an underground parking garage would be roughly $30,000 per space, while construction costs for above-ground lots average about $10,000 per space.
The city is in desperate need of parking, Jones said. An above-ground lot probably will be built in the next few years as part of the downtown development plan, he said.
The idea in 1993 for the underground lot was included in a deal in which the state issued tax credits so the city could fully develop the Gateway Mall. Jones said the project paid for the purchase and demolition of property on two city blocks to make way for part of the Gateway Mall, which nominally stretches from the Gateway Arch grounds to 21st Street by Union Station.
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^ It's like a who's who of city development from yesteryear and today! 
Underground parking is extremely expensive. Even if we built a garage people would complain that it's too far away. Makes you wonder if downtown is a dense central business district or a suburban office park. How can we support retail with a garage attached to every building? You can't. People won't walk and they have no incentive to move downtown when nearly 15% of all land uses is parking.
After boarding it up just 4 months ago, windows are now being installed on the ground floor. Hopefully a tenant is next...
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I noticed that too, and was wondering the same thing.jakektu wrote:After boarding it up just 4 months ago, windows are now being installed on the ground floor. Hopefully a tenant is next...
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I heard Maurizio's is moving into the ground floor. Can anyone confirm?
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Had not heard, but it would be a better location for them. Much higher visibility.jmmnq6 wrote:I heard Maurizio's is moving into the ground floor. Can anyone confirm?
